Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price celebrates the harassment directed at Anita Sarkeesian’s Tropes Against Women video project as a sign of a powerful new backlash against the evils of feminism, a backlash he’s proud to be a part of. Dudes being obnoxious to a woman on the internet: Men’s Rights at its finest.
Oh, sure, Price acknowledges, some of the attacks on her were “juvenile” – and thus not as effective as they might otherwise have been — and the controversy did enable Sarkeesian to raise more than $130,000 for her project, but Price even sees this as a victory of sorts:
As for Sarkeesian’s success, we should be happy about it, because I can’t think of a more worthless way to spend over a hundred thousand dollars than in finger-wagging over video games. For one thing, it’s sure to piss even more guys off, and the game industry is very competitive, so her documentary (now expanded to 12 parts!) will likely have zero effect on production and consumption of this form of entertainment. The feminists are simply pissing all the money away, and that’s fine, because this time they’re paying for it themselves.
No question about it: those grapes were definitely sour.
Naturally, the Spearhead regulars were overjoyed by these new signs of, er, progress. Here are some highlights from the discussion that followed; lest I be accused once again of cherry-picking outliers, each and every one of the comments I quote below got literally dozens of net upvotes. This is what these guys really think.
Mojo offers a sort of backlash manifesto:
Feminists will never understand that it is -they- who are the oppressors. They cling to their delusion that they are the ‘underdog’ against the system, even as they control the system.
Revolution requires an enemy class to attack … this is seen as justified when the enemy class controls the system. But feminism is perpetual revolution. So what happens when they gain control over the system? They continue to attack the enemy class, i.e. men, thinking they are striking the next blow against the patriarchy, when what they are doing is more like a pogrom.
Yep, he went there.
Now -they- are the system, they are able and more than willing to intimidate, humiliate, expropriate. It will get indefinitely worse if they have their way. Liberal feminism leads -necessarily- to radical feminism.
Still, we don’t need feminists to ‘understand’ that they are the persecutors (I imagine some of them know this full well and are just misandrist sadists, little Eichmanns). It doesn’t matter what they think or know or understand. What matters is what -we- think, know and understand, and how we are going to act on it.
So … like the swivel-eyed feminist lunatics progressing from attempted assassinations to laying the foundations for institutional and legal abuse … I ask you – what are we going to DO with this knowledge and awareness beyond changing online discourse? …
Thinking like a leftist, though: why not attach ourselves to the GOP in order to subvert its gender politics and radicalize it in the MRA direction? That kind of approach has worked wonders for leftists and their infiltrations into public institutions …
Huh. Reactionary anti-feminists attaching themselves to the Republican Party? No one’s ever thought of that before.
Keyster offers some equally, er, innovative thinking:
Feminism has failed because women as a group adopted the notion of “equality” with men, while stubbornly clinging to their sexual/reproductive power over men. Had feminism truly helped women “realize their greatness”, there’d be far more great women. Instead there’s just more feminists. It’s run it’s course over 3 generations and it’s out of time to prove itself righteous.
The original “male chauvanist pigs” of the early 70′s, were right all along. Women are biologically and chemically ill-equipped to be men. If the Creator had meant women to be more like men, he wouldn’t have given them the ability to bring forth life from their bodies.
Ryu not only embraces the backlash, but seems perfectly fine with the notion that the Men’s Rights movement is a hate movement:
Good. Hatred and anger are power. Whenever you hear someone say “stop the hate”, it is a call to throw down your greatest weapons.
Young Guy purports to speak for all young guys (manginas presumably excepted):
If feminists think men, especially young men, are angry, they don’t know the half of it. As a 26 year-old male, I have seen this society bend over backwards to accommodate women all the time.
The school curriculums are geared toward female success. Schools have countless women’s programs. Female teachers can be as hateful as they want towards male students without facing consequences. People cheer when girls succeed in school, but jeer when boys succeed in school. Even though females have every advantage in the education system, they somehow still have the audacity to complain. They take fluff majors but don’t realize anyone with less than half a brain could pass classes in the humanities and social sciences.
What makes so many MRAs such proud yahoos?.
Oh, and just look at the workplace. Sexual harassment laws give women freedom to dress slutty and still have the nerve to complain when men sneak a peek. If you are a man who has a female co-worker, you have to walk on eggshells everyday or else you can get fired because the twat in the other room got her panties in a bunch over something minor you said. You can be a man who has busted his ass everyday to succeed in your chosen profession, only to see it mean nothing because some woman who was nothing more than an affirmative action hire. If this isn’t bad enough, you get these useless women who are subpar, yet they still never shut up about breaking through the mythical glass-ceiling that they didn’t break and didn’t exist in the first place.
Working men, forever cursed by subpar women.
Also, I have really had enough of women dragging this country down with their dead-weight. Female soldiers, police officers, and firefighters are liabilities. No, all you ladies in these jobs, you aren’t heroes. I am going to go insane if I hear one more female soldier, police officer, or firefighter cry about not getting the respect she thinks she deserves. She doesn’t get respect because she doesn’t deserve respect. The military, law enforcement, and firefighters would be A LOT better off if women stopped lowering the bar to astronomical proportions.
“Lowering the bar to astronomical proportions?” Young Guy here has clearly not yet mastered the fine art of metaphor.
He blabs on a bit longer before wrapping up with:
The backlash is not only real, but it is well-deserved. Apologies won’t erase the damage which has been done. Acting like what happened because of feminism either didn’t happen or was minor is a slap in the face. Saying women have suffered from feminism just as much as men is like spitting in the faces of all the men who have suffered ten lifetimes of pain because of feminism.
Not one, not two, not five, but ten lifetimes of pain? MRAs really are the world’s greatest drama kings.
Andrew S., meanwhile, seems a little confused as to what feminists would like to see happening in the video game industry:
It will be interesting to see if feminists can ruin the gaming industry like they ruin pretty much everything else. There is a lot of money being made off “gamers,” and even guys like me who play the occasional game but aren’t hardcore contribute a lot of money to the industry.
I doubt there are a lot of young guys and men out there who are going to want to play games that involve a bunch of screaming feminists, and where the object of the game is to destroy the “evil patriarchy.” The truth is guys who play games want their female characters to be either hot, large breasted, ass kicking types, or sexy non-feminist types that you save. If the gaming industry changes this dynamic to much due to Feminist/liberal pressure they will destroy a cash cow. And feminism will have yet another “victory.”
Unrestricted and uncriticized access to giant tittied video game ladies: a sacred men’s right!
Kevin evidently speaks for many when he says he wants video games to remain a boys club:
Video games are pretty much the only place that feminism can’t invade unless the principle consumers of them want it. You don’t have to play with girls, or listen to girls, or do other pansy shit. You probably can’t leave a football team and join a different one that has no women, you sure as hell can do that online. Don’t like all the teamwork talk? Play by yourself.
Feminists don’t like video games because; they can’t make them, they can’t force you to buy them or play them even if they did, they couldn’t ruin the experience for you unless you wanted them to.
You can do anything feminists don’t want you to do, and best of all you’re rewarded for it.
Anonymous Age 70 doesn’t even play video games, but he was pleased to learn that you can shoot ladies in them:
Speaking of video games, I am reminded of my son 8 or 10 years ago. I visited him, and he had some kind of shoot-em-up video game. He was partnered with a dearie, and the instant the game started, he always put a bullet in the middle of her forehead. Then, he’d laugh as if it were the funniest thing ever.
I told him he was a sick man, but I was also laughing as if it were the funniest thing ever.
Seriously, he told me he performed better with her dead than needing to be protected.
A great analogy for marriage 2.0, yes?
Women, can’t live them, can’t shoot them in the head. Except in video games!
Criticizing video games is misandry!
To everyone replying re: PUA — thank you.
“So, if I see a trend among female desires, and I say something about it I must be wrong?”
No. But don’t presume that all women want the same things. If you know ten women and they all want to be SAHWs, that’s not really an acurate gauge of society.
As for PUAs, they usually pick up young women in bars. Young women tend to be more sexually active than older. Women in bars tend to be more interested in sex than say, women in libraries. PUAs are successful because they know how to screen for women who want sex. When they come across a woman who is not DTF, they hit the eject button fairly quickly (I read a lot of RooshV). If I was approached by a PUA I would reject him, but I doubt any PUA will ever have that opportunity, since I spend most of my time at home, at the grocery store, or at Sephora.
“LAW which is linked to feminist manipulation in this country.”
You keep saying that, but have yet to provide anything even resembling a citation — you are sure you’re in Canada and not Sweden right? Because you’re really reminding me of a certain very annoying Swedish troll.
@ACLAF- Just so you know, PUAs are usually fairly good at what they do because they learn how to read people fairly well and then respond/react in a way to try and get the desired outcome. And most of them pick “targets” (ie: people who fit who they feel they have a chance with), so it’s not “all women” but a select type/smaller group. Many men actually use PUA theory because if you want to be good at it, it requires a ton of introspection and self-improvement, as well as behavioral training in social competence, all wrapped up in a non-threatening-to-the-average-hetero-guy sort of way.
Most PUAs who use rote memorization and “run game by the book” are actually fairly poor at picking up people. It’s only once you use them as tools and then modify them to the situation and your own personality can you actually get “good”….and in that way, PUA doctrine looks a lot like social competence- being “smooth” in social situations.
Of course, there’s the sexism, and there are a lot of people with incredibly problematic beliefs (such as the “LMR” technique which is basically forcing targets into rape-like-consent-only-in-name sex), but overall, there are people who have used it for self-improvement simply because the other options (therapy, etc) are basically considered “un-manly” and shameful.
So yeah. Not all women are the same. But YOU are the same person. When you can learn how you behave affects others, you can make better decisions about your own behavior to influence the behaviors of others in more positive directions.
I mean, this is basically Social Interaction 101, but yeah. Does that make sense?
Great explanation Nanasha. You win the internet! 😀
I can show you how to make a simple thrower that improves the strength of your throw. Easy.
Also, killing someone is not the way you necessarily want to go. You have to prove to the crown attourney that it was reasonable for you to think your life was at significant risk. Which means you’ll spend time at the cop shop, you’ll quiite possibly be charged with second degree murder and you’ll need a lawyer.
Exactly what scenario do you envision is so likely to happen that a gun is needed to defend yourself? In Canada?
So, if I see a trend among female desires, and I say something about it I must be wrong?
If all your observations are based on people who died before I was born, then probably, yes.
“Exactly what scenario do you envision is so likely to happen that a gun is needed to defend yourself?”
Zombie apocalypse!
ohhhh ppllllease women have always worked..
PErsonal antedotes here…most of my friends want to work and have jobs…should they be denied their right to work because AFLAC’s wife wants to stay home. I have friends who are SAHMs and I am going to be a SAHM and all of us are feminists, or at least aren’t anti-feminist…so she wants to stay at home big fucking deal. Sorry to sound so harsh, but I really hate it when women shame other women for having the wrong desires….There is nothing wrong with a working mother…and honestly, it seems like anti feminist women are the ones who are obssesed with taking women’s choices away, not feminists.
About the guns..yeah its ahuman issue not a womens one…also it sounds like that guy who shot in the air should be charged.
the one with my name in the tittle.
Just want to point out that this is the best typo
everin recent memory.Nanasha — “such as the “LMR” technique which is basically forcing targets into rape-like-consent-only-in-name sex” — wtf is “LMR”, things I’ll need to know if glossary troll returns (his idiocy I’ll continue playing whack-a-troll with, ACLAF just sounds like the AFLAC duck to me)
“Zombie apocalypse!”
Yeah I’d still go for blades, there’s the blood borne risk, sure, but you won’t run out of ammo.
@katz, I doubt he’s seeing a trend. He wouldn’t know the first thing about how to run an unbiased survey, plus he suffers from confirmation bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias).
WTF is up with his overwhelming preoccupation with guns? I got taught that if one picks up a gun, one had better be prepared to kill. I can’t get into the psychology of someone who wants to be in that mindset every time they leave their house.
“Pick up artists are not particularly sucessful. They hit on literally hundreds of women and hone their skills to find women who have a high tolerance for abusive tactics and mindgames.
Their sucess is sheerly from dedicating their lives to do nothing but try to pickup women.
Whassisname, Sabre gave some info on pickup, including the ratio of pickup attampts to actual sucess. I’m not arsed to find it though.”
Yes, having had a stint in sales, it didn’t take me long to realize, from what I’ve seen of pick-up artist sites, that numbers, specifically large numbers of women, was a big part of the equation. That’s why I mention “playing the odds.” My exact thought was, “They get a lot of ‘no’s’ before they start to get ‘yes.'”
But there IS some success, and they use the same sorts of tactics as commissioned sales-people to get positive responses.
But there’s more to it than that alone. I don’t think that a pick-up artist would be successful if he plied his craft while dressed say, as a hobo. Clothes and looks are part of the equation. Hence, a pickup artist offers something that most women in general find at least, somewhat attractive.
And what the collective here seems to think is that I’m not inclined to treat women like individuals with individual variations in their desires.
I don’t see many women dating short, fat, geeky men. So I’m pretty sure, that women don’t usually want short, fat, geeky men. A few will prefer these, of course. But most find themselves attracted to more athletically inclined gentlemen. Not all like big bulging muscles, some do. Some prefer a balance. Some prefer more wiry, slender, runner-types. I’d maintain that most women want some variation of these kinds of men. Of course, that’s not going to be enough, personality, a mind, sense of humor are all important qualities, and women place highly variable value on these qualities.
I. GET. THAT.
It doesn’t change the fact that psychology tells us that women generally want certain physical characteristics in men.
“I can’t get into the psychology of someone who wants to be in that mindset every time they leave their house.”
My father and former roommate both carry concealed 24/7 (and yes, I do mean they sleep with their guns) — the former is paranoid for no good reason, the later put his brother and two friends away for life on murder charges, he was the star witness — yeah, it isn’t a normal view on reality and cannot be pleasant. I cannot imagine living thinking that someone had a target specifically on my head. And the average sort of crime? I knife will work (really merely being aggressive will often work, most criminals want an easy target)
Argenti, when I need a bodyguard, I pick you. 🙂
ACLAF, you have this bizarre idea that women (or ‘most women’ if you’re going to be all “I’m not generalising!” about it) find X attractive, and that nobody else gets a look in. You also seem to think anecdata equals evidence. Witness:
Yet short, fat, geeky men manage to get laid. It’s a miracle!
Um, psychology tells us what? Citation bloody needed! Also, if it’s evolutionary psychology you mean, please explain to me why people who don’t meet your definition of what’s attractive continue to exist, and most manage to procreate? Could it possibly be that your idea of what’s attractive is actually a construct borne out of other drivers? Have you thought what those drivers might be? Please come back when you’ve thought about it, because feminists live it, and it’s getting boring seeing you chuck out these tired tropes with no backing as if you think it’s something new and we’ll suddenly all go “Oh ACLAF, thank you for removing the scales from our eyes, BRB off to find me an alpha cock!”
Dude, its not like Canada is swarming with athletic types. Especially as men hit their thirties and upward. Most middle aged men tend to be portly, and that makes you look shorter. Yet there are plenty of portly middle aged men dating and getting laid. Again, you’re stating general preferences not born out when I look at actual couples past highschool.
Bring me a study or two that polls women on what they want, what they have in their partner and how happy they are with that part of the relationship and I’ll gladly reconsider.
Okay, so my takeaway from this conversation is that a
Canadian Insurance Agentdude was unwilling to have a conversation with the woman he married about what she liked in bed, and instead made the wrong assumption about what she wanted, and for this he blames feminism. Is that about right? WHY ARE PEOPLE WILLING TO HAVE SEX WITH EACH OTHER BUT NOT WILLING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY LIKE/DISLIKE SEXUALLY??? This mystifies me.weird that my comments are in mod..huh
PUA’s REALLY?! No PUA’s aren’t what normal women want, PUAs are manipulative con artists that want to wear women down. IT is sort of funny how delusional PUAS are…
Also it is funny how their are just SO many exeptions to female behavior, and so much varience on gender and sexuality that it pretty much disproves Evolutionary Psychology….
“It doesn’t change the fact that evolutionary psychology tells us that women generally want certain physical characteristics in men.”
Fixed that for you.
Psychology in general will only tell you the statistics of who partners with whom, but really, we don’t care very much. Things like the causes of homelessness are kind of more important.
And I’m curious, do you know many “short, fat, geeky men”? Are they single at a higher rate than the “athletically inclined gentlemen” or “wiry, slender, runner-types” that you know?
Guys, should I change my nym to “Argenti Aertheri, was a psych major so don’t say anything stupid about psych”? Or is that too long?
So, let me get this straight…
PUA is designed to help short fat geeky men become tall, thin and cool by showing them how to play the odds and hit on lots of women using the tactics of commissioned sales-people?
I can’t even with this. Why is it that whenever I can’t sleep the trolls are complete idiots?
Also, you come over to my part of Canada and ill show you short fat geeky and happliy partnered men. Because I got all kinds over here. Perhaps you aren’t seeing them because you are ignoring those men.