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“Hatred and anger are power,” and other thoughts on women and gaming from Spearheaders

Evil incarnate

Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price celebrates the harassment directed at Anita Sarkeesian’s Tropes Against Women video project as a sign of a powerful new backlash against the evils of feminism, a backlash he’s proud to be a part of. Dudes being obnoxious to a woman on the internet: Men’s Rights at its finest.

Oh, sure, Price acknowledges, some of the attacks on her were “juvenile” – and thus not as effective as they might otherwise have been — and the controversy did enable Sarkeesian to raise more than $130,000 for her project, but Price even sees this as a victory of sorts:

As for Sarkeesian’s success, we should be happy about it, because I can’t think of a more worthless way to spend over a hundred thousand dollars than in finger-wagging over video games. For one thing, it’s sure to piss even more guys off, and the game industry is very competitive, so her documentary (now expanded to 12 parts!) will likely have zero effect on production and consumption of this form of entertainment. The feminists are simply pissing all the money away, and that’s fine, because this time they’re paying for it themselves.

No question about it: those grapes were definitely sour.

Naturally, the Spearhead regulars were overjoyed by these new signs of, er, progress. Here are some highlights from the discussion that followed; lest I be accused once again of cherry-picking outliers, each and every one of the comments I quote below got literally dozens of net upvotes. This is what these guys really think.

Mojo offers a sort of backlash manifesto:

Feminists will never understand that it is -they- who are the oppressors. They cling to their delusion that they are the ‘underdog’ against the system, even as they control the system.

Revolution requires an enemy class to attack … this is seen as justified when the enemy class controls the system. But feminism is perpetual revolution. So what happens when they gain control over the system? They continue to attack the enemy class, i.e. men, thinking they are striking the next blow against the patriarchy, when what they are doing is more like a pogrom.

Yep, he went there.

Now -they- are the system, they are able and more than willing to intimidate, humiliate, expropriate. It will get indefinitely worse if they have their way. Liberal feminism leads -necessarily- to radical feminism.

Still, we don’t need feminists to ‘understand’ that they are the persecutors (I imagine some of them know this full well and are just misandrist sadists, little Eichmanns). It doesn’t matter what they think or know or understand. What matters is what -we- think, know and understand, and how we are going to act on it.

So … like the swivel-eyed feminist lunatics progressing from attempted assassinations to laying the foundations for institutional and legal abuse … I ask you – what are we going to DO with this knowledge and awareness beyond changing online discourse? …

Thinking like a leftist, though: why not attach ourselves to the GOP in order to subvert its gender politics and radicalize it in the MRA direction? That kind of approach has worked wonders for leftists and their infiltrations into public institutions …

Huh. Reactionary anti-feminists attaching themselves to the Republican Party? No one’s ever thought of that before.

Keyster offers some equally, er, innovative thinking:

Feminism has failed because women as a group adopted the notion of “equality” with men, while stubbornly clinging to their sexual/reproductive power over men. Had feminism truly helped women “realize their greatness”, there’d be far more great women. Instead there’s just more feminists. It’s run it’s course over 3 generations and it’s out of time to prove itself righteous.

The original “male chauvanist pigs” of the early 70′s, were right all along. Women are biologically and chemically ill-equipped to be men. If the Creator had meant women to be more like men, he wouldn’t have given them the ability to bring forth life from their bodies.

Ryu not only embraces the backlash, but seems perfectly fine with the notion that the Men’s Rights movement is a hate movement:

Good. Hatred and anger are power. Whenever you hear someone say “stop the hate”, it is a call to throw down your greatest weapons.

Young Guy purports to speak for all young guys (manginas presumably excepted):

If feminists think men, especially young men, are angry, they don’t know the half of it. As a 26 year-old male, I have seen this society bend over backwards to accommodate women all the time.

The school curriculums are geared toward female success. Schools have countless women’s programs. Female teachers can be as hateful as they want towards male students without facing consequences. People cheer when girls succeed in school, but jeer when boys succeed in school. Even though females have every advantage in the education system, they somehow still have the audacity to complain. They take fluff majors but don’t realize anyone with less than half a brain could pass classes in the humanities and social sciences.

What makes so many MRAs such proud yahoos?.

Oh, and just look at the workplace. Sexual harassment laws give women freedom to dress slutty and still have the nerve to complain when men sneak a peek. If you are a man who has a female co-worker, you have to walk on eggshells everyday or else you can get fired because the twat in the other room got her panties in a bunch over something minor you said. You can be a man who has busted his ass everyday to succeed in your chosen profession, only to see it mean nothing because some woman who was nothing more than an affirmative action hire. If this isn’t bad enough, you get these useless women who are subpar, yet they still never shut up about breaking through the mythical glass-ceiling that they didn’t break and didn’t exist in the first place.

Working men, forever cursed by subpar women.

Also, I have really had enough of women dragging this country down with their dead-weight. Female soldiers, police officers, and firefighters are liabilities. No, all you ladies in these jobs, you aren’t heroes. I am going to go insane if I hear one more female soldier, police officer, or firefighter cry about not getting the respect she thinks she deserves. She doesn’t get respect because she doesn’t deserve respect. The military, law enforcement, and firefighters would be A LOT better off if women stopped lowering the bar to astronomical proportions.

“Lowering the bar to astronomical proportions?” Young Guy here has clearly not yet mastered the fine art of metaphor.

He blabs on a bit longer before wrapping up with:

The backlash is not only real, but it is well-deserved. Apologies won’t erase the damage which has been done. Acting like what happened because of feminism either didn’t happen or was minor is a slap in the face. Saying women have suffered from feminism just as much as men is like spitting in the faces of all the men who have suffered ten lifetimes of pain because of feminism.

Not one, not two, not five, but ten lifetimes of pain? MRAs really are the world’s greatest drama kings.

Andrew S., meanwhile, seems a little confused as to what feminists would like to see happening in the video game industry:

It will be interesting to see if feminists can ruin the gaming industry like they ruin pretty much everything else. There is a lot of money being made off “gamers,” and even guys like me who play the occasional game but aren’t hardcore contribute a lot of money to the industry.

I doubt there are a lot of young guys and men out there who are going to want to play games that involve a bunch of screaming feminists, and where the object of the game is to destroy the “evil patriarchy.” The truth is guys who play games want their female characters to be either hot, large breasted, ass kicking types, or sexy non-feminist types that you save. If the gaming industry changes this dynamic to much due to Feminist/liberal pressure they will destroy a cash cow. And feminism will have yet another “victory.”

 

Unrestricted and uncriticized access to giant tittied video game ladies: a sacred men’s right!

Kevin evidently speaks for many when he says he wants video games to remain a boys club:

Video games are pretty much the only place that feminism can’t invade unless the principle consumers of them want it. You don’t have to play with girls, or listen to girls, or do other pansy shit. You probably can’t leave a football team and join a different one that has no women, you sure as hell can do that online. Don’t like all the teamwork talk? Play by yourself.

Feminists don’t like video games because; they can’t make them, they can’t force you to buy them or play them even if they did, they couldn’t ruin the experience for you unless you wanted them to.

You can do anything feminists don’t want you to do, and best of all you’re rewarded for it.

Anonymous Age 70 doesn’t even play video games, but he was pleased to learn that you can shoot ladies in them:

Speaking of video games, I am reminded of my son 8 or 10 years ago. I visited him, and he had some kind of shoot-em-up video game. He was partnered with a dearie, and the instant the game started, he always put a bullet in the middle of her forehead. Then, he’d laugh as if it were the funniest thing ever.

I told him he was a sick man, but I was also laughing as if it were the funniest thing ever.

Seriously, he told me he performed better with her dead than needing to be protected.

A great analogy for marriage 2.0, yes?

Women, can’t live them, can’t shoot them in the head. Except in video games!

Criticizing video games is misandry!

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Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“He looks kind of Irish to me.”

Probably because he is mostly Irish. “His mother was of Irish descent, with roots in County Londonderry. His paternal grandparents, Mary Elizabeth (Robinette) and Joseph H. Biden, an oil businessman from Baltimore, had English, Irish, and French ancestry.” (wiki)

“7. Repeat until comatose.”

Having sworn off shrimp after eating enough to make me sick, I must advise against that step. My mother would love it though, I should send her that.

nwoslave
8 years ago

@pecunium
“You might have read about it if you were paying attention to the latter books of the New Testament;”

Show me in the new testament where something akin to diaspora isn’t used in the past tense.

“Because you link it to being Jewish. Because you use language which echoes the rantings of other anti-semites. You think it’s carefully coded but it’s not. Anyone who has encountered the sorts of idiots who rant about the “secret bankers” and the other shibboleths of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion can spot your attempts at subtlety.”

I link something to being Jewish? Listen carefully. Rothchild family are the kingpins of the banking world. Very, very bad evil people, they have no concience, they enslave nations to false debt. They destroy entire economies on a whim. Vilest people to ever walk the planet.

JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Rockefeller, ect. Are they all good buddies? Do they work together? Why yes they do, they’re all good buddies. There is no secret about it. These people are evil fucks, they manipulate markets and economies. I don’t care if they’re fucking martians they don’t get a free pass.

“and the other shibboleths of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion can spot your attempts at subtlety?????????” Whoa! Dude, you are out there. I’d have to look up shibboleths to find out exactly what you’re calling me. Creepy I guess.
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@Argenti Aertheri
The reason I went to the urban dictionary was trying to find the explaination you came up with. Which appears to be bitch to unmanly/ unmanly to Lacking courage; cowardly/ Lacking courage; cowardly/ which you replaced as to also mean weak/ which you than reguritated into, “which was used in the only male definition of “bitch”. “Effeminate” –”

Using the monkey chased the weasle, or dog chasing his tail method of extrapolation you used, I could probably get any word to mean anything.

Take this sentence, “There was this —— at the bar that was acting sooooo creepy.” And tell them nothing but to fill in the blank. No clues, that’s cheating. I’ll betcha 9 outta 10 times the blank gets filled with the word guy man or dude. Why? It’s a gendered insult of course. Just like bitch. You gals just want carte blance to bandy about gendered insults while reteaining immunity from recieving any.

Oh, and you are the queen of kafka trapping. Just saying you’re not doesn’t make it so.

cloudiah
8 years ago

My sister just went home after a week’s visit full of much dining out. Dinner tonight is a virtuous grain and legume salad with asparagus and toasted almonds. Something wrapped in prosciutto sounds nicer, even though I’m about 90% vegetarian these days.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Argenti: The Ethiopian Jews say they are the descendants of David and The Queen of Sheba. We know they predate the Book of Judges because they still practice sacrifice at family altars.

The Indian and Chinese Jews don’t (as don’t the Ethiopians) celebrate Hannukah, which is how we know how long ago they settled/became isolated from the larger Jewish community.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/

I draw your attention to the richest people in the US, Owly, I also draw you r attention to the top 10 in the list. I then draw your attention to members of Congress, that you just seemed to smooth past right there. I then invite you to run back to Stormfront and ply your wares over there.

@Unimaginative

Happy Canada Day!!!!!!

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

You, too, Shadow! Mine was wet and chilly, but very relaxing. I haven’t even showered (but I did change out of my jammies at some point this afternoon). How about you?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Pecunium — I was surprised to see wiki questioning all of that, but I guess it shouldn’t surprise me any that oral tradition and logic make researchers go “nawh we need solid-er proof than that!”. I was playing to the least arguable origin because I know NWO is going to question in, and they were there by the middle ages, for sure, definitely, there is no doubt about this.

Personally, I find the theory they migrated in CE days with ancient customs rather laughable, but not even NWO can manage to deny that Ethiopian Jews have been there since before the middle ages. And maybe I just shouldn’t have tried giving him a history lesson while still fuming about him calling me disingenuous. (Because that’s just an insult without meaning now I guess?)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“going to question in” = “going to question it”

Dinner is a salad, that I should perhaps finish before trying to comment, whoops.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

@Unimaginative

We’re still dealing with the heatwave down here in TO, so I was bunkered down with the AC all day lolll. It’s been a nice evening though, so enjoyed a nice barbie in the backyard while watching the Wonderland fireworks

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

wiki is good for lots of things, that sort of historical analysis isn’t one of them. Too many people with too many axes to grind, and so it’s never going to be anything other than speculative mush,.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Pecunium — I’m unfortunately well aware of the wiki edit-wars, they usually leave some trace of the other POV though. Of course, this is why I don’t edit wikis except to fix typos and really bad grammar (moderately bad grammar isn’t worth the debate). NWO’s got a rant a few comments up directed at both of us btw, my Biblical referencing skills aren’t what they used to be, want to help him on that?

As for the rest NWO —

First, yes, I have a wiki account solely to fix grammar and typos, it really isn’t anything personal.

Re: Rothschilds et al, yeah bankers suck, doubt anyone here will disagree on that, problem is you make it out to be because they’re Jewish. When the problem is really that they’re rich and want to stay that way.

“I’d have to look up shibboleths to find out exactly what you’re calling me. Creepy I guess.”

Didn’t you just have a dictionary handy? Try using it?

shib·bo·leth, n.
1. A word or pronunciation that distinguishes people of one group or class from those of another.
2.a. A word or phrase identified with a particular group or cause; a catchword.
b. A commonplace saying or idea.
3. A custom or practice that betrays one as an outsider.

Got fuck all to do with “creep” and everything to do with your continued insistence that Jewish bankers run everything as shorthand for Jews run everything. When, I repeat, you want to focus on the banker part, it’s the part that actually matters.

“Using the monkey chased the weasle, or dog chasing his tail method of extrapolation you used, I could probably get any word to mean anything.”

I used a thesaurus, you may want to find one to round out your dictionary. (You’ll find that “weak” and “lacking courage” are also synonymous)

“Just like bitch.”

Could you please decide if bitch is, or is not, a gendered insult? You keep changing that to suit your desires and that, oh NWO, is why I call you disingenuous.

“Oh, and you are the queen of kafka trapping. Just saying you’re not doesn’t make it so.”

I’m not getting into a “prove the negative” debate with someone who can’t even decide whether bitch is gendered or not, but seriously, you do not rank nearly high enough on my “shit to care about” list to bother trying to manipulate you.

Btw, wherever did you get the idea to use female pronouns for me? I was going to just ignore it as not worth the damned time, since you refuse to actually read wtf I say, but queen? No. (If you’re extrapolating from “princess killjoy mcgee the third” that was a damned joke, idk how you could’ve missed that considering I said I was dubbed that after saying I didn’t think a corsica would clear a highway divider)

Pronouns, yeah whatever, I really don’t give a fuck, but gal and queen is just like…you’ve decided I must be female and want to rub it in? Or decided I’m male and want to insult me further by implying otherwise? I can’t tell. (Only kafka trapping I’m doing is that no, I’m not going to answer that for you.)

pillowinhell
8 years ago

NWO. That’s a whole lot of words just to say “what? I didn’t SAY anything!”. You do realize that she was refering to the wealthy white men in power right? Awfully defensive aren’t you?

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

NWO: Show me in the new testament where something akin to diaspora isn’t used in the past tense.

You ignorant twit. Jesus talks about it, when he talks of the imminent destruction of the temple. Now it’s true, that the idea of the Diaspora is treated as one single event, non-ending, it’s not really.

When the First Temple was destroyed and the Jews were exported to Babylon, that was a disapora. But the lifting of the exile allowed those who wished to return, to return. Thus the enforced exile was ended.

After the destruction of the second temple, in 72 AD, and the final defeat of the Judaen revolt in 73 AD, Judea was annexed. After they revolted again, in 132, and were defeated in 135 they were again forbidden to live in Jerusalem, and largely dispersed (as slaves) to other parts of the empire.

This caused two large sub-groups of Judaism (no, not the bankers and the Hollywood movie stars), the North African/Middle Eastern Sephardim (among whom were the Marrono of Spain, evicted in 1492), and the Northern/Eastern European Ashkenazim. The first Jews in what became the US were Shephardim, and arrived in the 1600s.

Whoa! Dude, you are out there. I’d have to look up shibboleths to find out exactly what you’re calling me.

No need, I’ll help you.

Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

Judges 12:6.

Again, reading the bible; you might find it interesting.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

I find it humerous and sad that the conversation subject turned to the Bible, but stopped a few short of 666 comments.

(Even though it’s apparently not the right number, but hey).

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

ShadetheDruid — that seems simple enough to fix 🙂 (the number of comments, not whether 666 is the appropriate number)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

SATAN

(Makes heavy metal devil hands)

Yisheng Qingwa
8 years ago

tall woman who commented: your comment made me smile. I’m 5’10”. I have a thing for men who RESPECT me, and are kind and gentle. And know how to make good pancakes. I don’t give a shit if they’re 5’2″ or pudgy.

Been playing video games since I was 4 or 5. Microsoft Adventure and Zork (I still have my mom’s and my hand-drawn maps), Pong, the King’s Quest series. I LOVED playing Rosella in KQ4.

I’m playing The Elder Scrolls now, and… I lost Lydia somewhere; due to a bug in the game… waaaaaahhhhh… I miss her.

Jessay (@jessay)
8 years ago

I’m trying to figure out where I said “european” and how acknowledging that those who had the money, power, and control over our economy for our entire history happened to be white men equals racism. I nowhere said that all white men are evil, but that the majority of the people calling the shots are white men. This is why this bullshit notion that feminism destroyed the economy is absolutely absurd. NWO can claim we were the inspiration, but I wanna see the receipts.

Sorka
Sorka
8 years ago

@Yisheng Qingwa ZORK! I remember Zork! I’ve also been playing since the age of 4-5 and loved playing Rosella. We’re computer game twins 🙂

Her Beloved
Her Beloved
8 years ago

Related to this, Anita Sarkeesian was on CBC Radio One’s ‘The Current’ in a segment called “Women and Gaming: Smashing Stereotypes”. URL to the podcast is below.

http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2012/07/03/women-and-gaming-smashing-stereotypes/

Might not be mobile friendly.

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