So the fellas over on the Men’s Rights Subreddit were having a little discussion the other day about the c-word, and wondering just why so many ladies get so offended by that word. I mean, it’s just a word. (Not like “creep” which is the worst possible thing anyone could possibly call someone else, and a clear abuse of their human rights.)
Funcuz, for his part, blamed Oprah for the unpopularity of the c-word among women:
Hardwarequestions, in a rather circular manner, blamed the offensiveness of the word “cunt” on women, for being offended in the first place:
The only one who seemed to think the insult was genuinely a big deal was expletive-deleted, who rather likes it that way:
Men’s Rights Activism at its finest!
I think the most pathetic thing about NWO is that he seems seriously convinced that he’s clever.
You’re not, dude.
Here is how someone can assert boundaries-
“This is my boundary (specify boundary here), and you are violating it. Step back or I’m leaving.”
You don’t have to resort to calling anyone an insult.
And now anti-manboobz is censoring all instances of ‘creepy’ in the comments, despite plenty of instances of it and other, nastier words uncensored in his post. It’s kind of hilarious.
I don’t see why I necessarily have to be polite to people who have been rude to me first. “Fuck off, asshole” SHOULD be an available option when someone is violating your boundaries. Is it sometimes wise to be polite? Of course. But it shouldn’t be mandatory.
Wait, creepy is the male equivalent of c-nt now? o.O
I’m with ozy on this one. When people are called creepy it’s usually because they’re getting in someone’s space and making them feel uncomfortable. Why should the person who’s being made uncomfortable have to worry about protecting the other person’s feelings? Why is the onus on them to be nice to someone who’s not being at all nice to them?
Nanasha — I think your way is proper if you’re dealing with someone you know and have reason to think will care that they’ve violated your boundaries (eg my cousin’s kid going “grandma you’re in my personal space!”). When dealing with people you have no experience with besides a boundary violation, particularly a cultural normal one, there’s no reason to believe they’ll care, and every reason to believe they won’t — in which case I think going straight for the aggressive tactics is the right idea. If it’s just an accident, like standing awkwardly close to a shop door or something, then yeah, “excuse me”, but intentional creepiness? Deserves to be called creepy.
Anyways, people worth your time will give a shit you think they’re being creepy. (Also “or I’m leaving” is impossible in an elevator, which is most of why he was creepy)
Argenti- I’ve found that assertive body language and aggressive eye contact as well as very obvious scowling can also help. When someone gets in my face who I don’t know and is bothering me, I don’t usually even have to say anything at all. All I have to do is stand with my legs a shoulder width apart, move my body in an exaggerated manner (large movements with arms and hands) and stare menacingly at them. Usually that gets them to move. I also employ that “don’t walk, ride” technique- I don’t like walking places by myself because I have short legs. So I tend to ride my bicycle so that if someone does try to bug me, I am pretty much generally zooming by anyway so I can’t reasonably get cornered by a group. This is very useful because I ride my bike past a construction store every day and there’s a lot of creepy middle aged guys who shout slurs in Spanish at me (which I unfortunately understand) and try to stop me by stepping out into the street and stuff as though that’s totally ok. But I can either make concessions to my life and just never leave the house or I can just deal with the shit, even though I know it’s shit that I wouldn’t have to deal with as a big man like my husband.
Boo. I hate when people feel that they are entitled to make a person feel deeply uncomfortable. Whatever happened to common courtesy and kindness?
Isn’t “creepy” a behavioral commentary while “cunt” is a dehumanizing term used to degrade and devalue women? I can understand the idea of using the word “bitch” as corollary to “creepy” (or, ya know, “creepy” because women can do it too!) because of the colloquial meaning of the word (ie: an unpleasant, rude woman), but “cunt” is a word that is meant to make a woman into an object to be used/abused/thrown away- there is no male-gendered corollary term that I can think of that conveys exactly the same meaning.
Thankfully, it only took one “you say that like it’s a bad thing. Don’t you like cocksuckers? Don’t they bring you happiness?” type challenge on using that as an insult before My Nigel started catching himself using it as an invalid insult.
PsychoDan–I know! It’s in the title of the post, but in the comments, it’s suddenly too profane to print. Unclear on concept? (Also, whenever he writes “cr**py,” I imagine he’s saying “crappy.”)
In fact he is indeed unclear on concept: It’s terrible that female-gendered insults are treated as worse than male-gendered ones, because OMG we don’t care about men’s fee-fees! But he throws around all kinds of female-gendered slurs with the purpose of them being treated as horrible insults.
It’s like they are so incensed that women might get anything men don’t get that they’re angry at women for having slurs. No fair! We want our own slurs!
I always thought that “creepy” was a gender neutral term. Pretty much anyone can be creepy. Including my cat, who seems to think that in the middle of the night that it’s funny to peek just his head in through the bathroom door curtains so he looks like a disembodied head with glowing green eyes (they reflect off the night light in the bathroom) when I get up to go to the bathroom.
Seriously, it’s *CREEPY*……..I guess I’m a catrandist now?
Nanasha — yeah body language is my go-to as well, but sometimes it’s 4am and you’re already half asleep and some creep offers coffee in his hotel room (the elevatorgate scenario). Afaik creep is behavior, and gender neutral. And probably species neutral, I’ve had people call my fish creepy for seeming to levitate while staring at them. Cats can definitely be creepy, my mother’s cat is big on staring at you from the foot of the bed looking like she’s debating eating your eyes (this cat really hates me, they insist she doesn’t do this to anyone else like that helps)
A lot of the men who lose their shit over the word “creepy” insist that it’s a gendered insult meaning that a man who isn’t good looking is expressing sexual interest in a woman in a totally reasonable and polite way. Having been creeped on by some very good looking men in the past, this makes me snicker.
The creepiest man I’ve ever met was incredibly good looking (and rich, and successful, with a great body, former college athlete). That dude was like Patrick Bateman, freaked me out so badly that I refused to be alone in a room with him, and wouldn’t drink anything that he handed me at parties.
Last week there was a thread where MRAs whined about sexual harassment and claimed that women only claim harassment and call “creep” when the guy doesn’t fit her standards. Then this devolved into a rant about how MRAs couldn’t get laid because they weren’t rich and attractive. It perfectly demonstrated how MRAs are just a bunch of Nice Guys tm who feel entitled to women.
Cassandra: Yup. And, as we’ve already established many times, women can be creepy as hell too.
You are rising rapidly on the Meller-o-metre here.
Sometimes I wonder if Owly actually knows the meaning of the “equal”.
Well done me, have a prize! Should be the word “word” in there somewhere.
In Owlese “equal” means “women punching each other on the nose”.
Here is your prize, Shade:
http://www.ustream.tv/sevenkittens
/terrible_attempt_at_not_sounding_OT
Shocked no one has posted this one yet, hehehe
http://youtu.be/tLPZmPaHme0
So I totally didn’t just spend 10 minutes watching those kittens instead of working.. nope. O.O
NWO, you do realize “Planet of the Apes” was fiction, and not a documentary, right?
As expected, women dictate how men should feel under any circumstance. Women demand carte blanche to insult a man/men in any fashion, and never be held accountable or retaliated against. Women rush to the aid of a woman who has declared it’s empowering to insult men.
With such a diverse crew inhabiting manboobz we have an excellent example of the attitude of modern day women.