So Mr. Paul Elam was apparently so offended by this video from Jay Smooth defending Anita Sarkeesian and her Tropes Vs Women video project against its many misogynistic detractors that he sat down and wrote out a carefully reasoned rebuttal of all of Mr. Smooth’s points.
Nah, I’m kidding. He wrote a snide couple of paragraphs calling Smooth a “leftist scumbucket,” and a “chickenshit feminist quisling,” and invited his readers to jump in with their own dopey insults. And they did. Some highlights (that is, lowlights):
I showed Paul’s comment to an MRA friend, and he said, “dude, you have to stop talking to me. I don’t exist! I’m no more real than Paul Elam’s ‘gay friend.'”
Andybob added this to the debate:
Yes, that’s right, he’s saying Smooth is being a “fag” in order to score with women. Clearly we have a brilliant mind at work here.
Several comments later, Iron John, a man apparently oblivious to irony, weighed in with this gem:
On Reddit, after someone pointed out the homophobia in the comments, Elam responded with “comment mine much?”
I’m pretty sure you don’t get to complain about “comment mining” for homophobia when 1) you’re the guy behind the site and 2) you’re one of the ones shouting “fag.”
Notice that Zorro’s original comment got an equal number of upvotes and downvotes. Then Elam jumped in to give the homophobia his seal of approval. After that, it was nothing but upvotes for those using or approving of the homophobic slur.
Calling a dude a “fag” on the internet: Men’s Rights Activism at its finest!
I’d spew evangelical bs all day if it meant I could pay for college. Elam just writes crap and waits for donations, donation, donations, Suckers. It’s not hard to do to men’s pocketbooks these days. I’d do it myself but I can’t stomach all the hate.
Cliff – Yup. “Fag” is just for the bad ones and you can totally use the term if you have this one gay friend you wave to sometimes.
Jessay – Yeah, I heard that “There are black people, and then there are n*****s” line from whites and blacks growing up fairly frequently. Even sadder, the people who said that were actually sometimes less hateful than the type of people who never use vile language or even talk much about race, but use code words and knowing glances. The sly racists usually held more firmly to their racism, in my experience. Racism with a smile. Creepy.
I don’t meant to intrude on your conversation with skokieboki -and I’m not trying to derail the thread- but that quote is paraphrase of a prominent bit from Chris Rock’s very famous comedy special Bring the Pain.
And it’s a fairly complicated piece of comedy; nuanced, contextual, problematic, etc. I find it both interesting and a bit unfortunate, that the phrase has become such a part of the cultural zeitgeist. I’ve always disliked people appropriating the bit in order to justify their own racism.
But, assuming that its use is inherently some manifestation of self-hatred when Black people say it, is… dicey. You might not have the background/cultural context to understand.
“That it’s really pathetic that you still think that sandwich joke is funny.”
So many good points, I can’t even begin to list them all here, but the above made me laugh out loud.
@Cliff Pervocracy
“There’s very little joking, very little “hey, nice to see you back here MRADude221,” and very little indication that they have any more fun in the backchannel. There’s just zero sense of camaraderie.”
The, “fun” in feminism consists of, “jokes” ridiculing men. That is what you do here. Have women dictated what is or isn’t considered a, “sense of camaraderie?” Not too much of a surprise there.
Also, to give this some perspective — Sarkeesian was deluged with savagely racist and sexist attacks BEFORE THE VIDEOS HAD EVEN BEEN MADE. The announcement of the project was all it took for people to do things like deface her Wiki page with pornographic images and racist commentary. And yet these are the same assholes who roll their eyes and say it’s BS whenever gamer women try to say that the gaming community has a sexism problem. They’re the same ones who comment under every Kotaku post about this issue claiming that we’re “making it up” or “exaggerating” what happens to us when we play online games as women.
I found your site while searching for the Marriage Strike. The basis for the claims of men are true. Most of the stuff you ridicule have foundations in truth. Women behave badly. Women have an outsized sense of entitlement. Woman lack accountability. Women manipulate the law for their benefit. Men are raped in divorce. Women make false domestic violence claims against men. Women make false sexual harassment claims against men. A lot of the claims made by feminists are outright false. I go on and on and on.
And you defend them. You have a whole site designed to mock and ridicule these claims.
So all I can say is you’re a suck up fag mangina. There is a whole lot of truth in that. I am not even going to bother to look for an intellectual argument. Fag.
You know when men are raped? When they are actually raped. Don’t minimize the pain of rape survivors to say that men have it bad in divorce. And they don’t, actually, when men contest custody, fifty percent of the time they get it.
So all I can say is that you’re a jackass who lacks the ability to view women as anything but a stereotype and who thinks homophobic slurs are funny. There is a lot of truth in that. Asshole.
Well, you could try looking for a better set of insults…as a het person I’m really feeling left out. Oh, and you forgot to refer to women as “females” or bitches. Just a protip to help you fit in with the MRA.
No.
As are yours.
So all I can say is you’re a suck up fag mangina. There is a whole lot of truth in that. I am not even going to bother to look for an intellectual argument. Fag.
How dare you use shaming language against a male, you are a MISANDRIST!!!
MISANDRIST
MISANDRIST
MISANDRIST
We have a small dose of honesty: So all I can say is you’re a suck up fag mangina. There is a whole lot of truth in that. I am not even going to bother to look for an intellectual argument.
If only it came with just a soupçon of self-awareness.
Thankfully he’s just here to enjoy is hate-on, so we can continue with the adult conversation.
Mark Minter, there’s a name ripe for a limerick…
i totally believe this is the only rejoinder your capable of, but not for the reasons you claim
ps: yeah, we totally believe you were ‘just searching’
fucking lol
http://marriagestrikecentral.blogspot.com/
I wonder if the Marriage Strike will lead to Marriage Collective Bargaining?
I’m going to ask for health insurance, paid lunches, and improved safety equipment.
Actually, re-thinking the whole religiously based institution of marriage thing is a good idea. That’s why feminists have been tackling it for the past fifty fucking years, at least. You’re late to the party, MRAs.
Yeah, marriage central didn’t put uch thought into his blog either. Most of the articles he’s posted up have been deleted or open into some completely unrelated HuffPo piece.
I think MRAs view feminism the same way Chick tracts view Catholicism. That is, anything the MRAs don’t like, even if it something feminists actively oppose, is somehow still the fault of the secret conspiracy. Like Catholics invented Islam/LDS/Masonry/Jehovah’s Witnesses/the KKK/the Holocaust/Hinduism/abortion/JFK and Lincoln’s assassinations, feminists are behind traditional marriage/stereotypical gender roles/prison rape/male suicide, etc.
@Mark Minter: “I go on and on and on.”
True, that.
Oh right, women. I know a buncha those. Heck, I am one. Who am I gonna believe, my lying personal experience, or Mark Minter, who has a hard time with the google?
Pro tip: Things that you think have a “foundation in reality” that aren’t actually true? Still aren’t actually true.
And as someone who advocates for men who are raped, I invite you to fuck off with your creative misunderstanding of what the word means.
Sometimes I can fell a similarity between Men’s Rights Activism and the Holy Roman Empire..
Well, the one wasn’t holy, Roman, nor an empire, and the Men’s Rights Movement isn’t really a movement, and does a terrible job actually advocating for the rights of men.
Is MM a poe? For such a perfect example of what we’re talking about to show up at just the right time just boggles the mind.