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A Voice for Men: Christianity is all about hating on dudes

Tools of the matriarchal feminazarchy?

If you want even more proof that the denizens of A Voice for Men live in Imaginary Backwards Land, let me draw your attention to a recent posting from FeMRA TyphonBlue and JohnTheOther. The post’s bland title, Men, and patriarchy in the church, belies the loopiness of this particular bit of theological argument, the aim of which is to prove that Christianity is and always has been about hating dudes.

Oh, sure, TB and JTO note, it might look like Christianity in its various forms has been a tad dude-centric. I mean, it’s based on the teachings of a dude. And there’s that whole “God the Father” thing. Oh, and Christian religious institutions have been almost always headed up by dudes. There has yet to be a Popette.

But apparently to assume that the people running something actually run that something is to indulge in what MRAs like to call “the frontman fallacy,” by which they mean that even though it looks like men run most things in the world it’s really the sneaky ladies who call the shots, somehow. TB/JTO, citing the aforementioned faux “fallacy,” ask:

Because Christianity has a male priesthood, is headed by a man and uses masculine language to refer to the God and humanity’s savior, does it necessarily follow that Christianity is male favoring?

Bravely, the two decide not to go with the correct answer here, which is of course “yes.” Instead, they say no. And why is this? Because Jesus didn’t go around boning the ladies.

Seriously. That’s their main argument:

[Christ] had no sexual life. This absence leaves no spiritual connection between the masculine body and the divine.

The Christ is sexless; presumptively masculine, but never actually engaging in any activity unique to his masculine body. …

The implicit stricture of making the female body the vessel of Holy Spirit while offering no corresponding connection between the divine and the male body creates a spiritual caste system with women on top and men on the bottom.

Also: Joseph didn’t bone Mary, at least not before she gave birth to Jesus.

The birth of Christ is without sin because, quite simply, it did not involve a penis. The entire mythology around the birth of Christ implicitly indicts male sexuality as the vector of original sin from generation to generation.

Uh, I sort of thought that the notion of Original Sin had something or other to do with Eve and an apple in the Garden of Eden. But apparently not:

Forget Eve. Forget the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the Serpent. If all human women, tomorrow, conceived and gestated and gave birth without ever coming into contact with a penis, our race would be purged of original sin.

Pretty impressive theological revisionism from a couple of blabby video bloggers who apparently don’t know how to spell “canon.” (ProTip: “Cannon” refers to one of those tubey metal things you shoot “cannonballs” from.)

The two conclude:

Our culture’s war against masculine identity, male sexuality and fatherhood is an old one. That war arguably began as we adopted a faith which marginalizes the role of men in procreation, idolizing a story that removes them completely from the process. The exemplar of male virtue in this theology is a man who had no natural sexual expression, although his character is designated as male. And his primary purpose was to be flogged, literally tortured for the “crimes” of others, and then bound and nailed through his limbs, still alive to an erected cruciform scaffold, to die from shock and exposure on a hilltop. And we somehow manage to claim that this religion elevates men over women?

Well, yeah.

Rather than supremacy, Christianity provides to men the role of asexual stewards of women’s benefit, and sacrificial penitent, preaching the gospel of a female-deifying, male-demonizing faith. It is true that women have not historically been allowed to front this farce, but mostly because that would make the message too obvious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What?

While some kinds of Christianity get rather worked up about the evils of premarital sex and/or birth control, I’m pretty sure married and/or procreative sex is a-ok with all Christians this side of the mother in the movie Carrie.  Even — well, especially — if it involves dudes. (I’m pretty sure the church fathers were never big proponents of lesbianism.)

And if women really run the show, despite men “fronting” the church, could you perhaps spell out just who these all-powerful women are? Like, some names perhaps? Who’s the lady puppeteer behind the pope?

They of course don’t offer any real-world evidence for this secret supposed matriarchy. Instead, they ramp up for a sarcastic ending:

But we continue to ignore all of this, and we entertain the farce that our religious institutions constitute a male-elevating, female oppressing patriarchy.

Yeah, tell us another one.

No point in telling you guys anything any more. Clearly you can twist any and all facts about the world to fit your increasingly weird and baroque fictions about men always being the most oppressed, past, present and future.

A Voice for Men is slowly but surely disappearing up its own ass.

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kysokisaen
9 years ago

I had one really awesome Sunday school teacher, but she left the church after she divorced her abusive husband. Other people in the church thought she was a big sinner for filing for divorce, yet her abusive husband got a free pass.

I never had anything that dramatic. Just a nagging sense that if I could see the flaws, they must be obvious to everyone. What wasn’t obvious was why we were all pretending to go along with it. I don’t remember ever asking, I just knew it wasn’t to be talked about. I was already a nervous, high-strung child, prone to worrying about things, so it was a constant source of low-grade stress even before I knew that was a thing.

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

Well yeah Rubes, you are free to keep on commenting here so long as David allows it. (You’d do well to not to take that for granted, fyi.) Just as the community at large is free to call out your “My misogyny and rape apologia is just a different kind of feminism!” routine for the hateful, ignorant bullshit that it is.

Welcome to the ranks of the trolls, Ruby. Good luck pretending you’re better than them.

Sharculese
9 years ago

And yeah, I do care about women’s rights.

see, i think you really do believe this, and good for you. the the thing is you dont seem to care about thinking about how or doing anything to make it happen. you want all the plaudits with none of the responsible, and that’s something that deserves to be mocked. that may make you technically a feminist, but only in the weakest, most worthless sense of the word.

you can post here all you want, i guess, although for the record i support banning you because even when you’re not saying awful shit, you just post lazy one liners that contribute nothing to the conversation. what you can’t do is demand that we accept you or that we cant tell you when we think your being nasty and hateful. we get to have opinions too, you know.

so i guess if youre gonna stick around and pull your lame ‘misunderstood martyr’ shtick, whatever. i think it’s exceptionally childish, but then again i already thought you were exceptionally childish. the main thing is i dont understand why you dont go somewhere youd fit in better. besides give you a chance to play victim, i’m not sure what this is doing for you.

katz
9 years ago

WHY ARE YOU SO CLOSED MINDED, WHY CAN’T YOU JUST CONSIDER THAT NOSTRADAMUS WAS A SECRET KENYAN MUSLIM WHO BUILT THE PYRAMIDS FROM DIRECTIONS IN THE BIBLE CODE???

When I tried to follow the Bible code I messed up my cubit and span conversions 🙁

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
9 years ago

Uh, it’s people like Jerry Sandusky whom I don’t give a flying fuck get raped in prison. Oh, but you guys have sympathy for a child rapist? OK, whatever. If he spends the rest of his life in prison, and gets raped, it still doesn’t come close to the pain he caused others.

Diddler
Diddler
9 years ago

This post is a laff riot. More anti-MRA propaganda from Davey.

Here are some actual facts: Of course Christianity isn’t entirely misandrist- but then that’s no what Ms. Blue and Mr. Other are saying. What is does have is elements of misandry (as they have pointed out)- and yes, elements of misogyny as well. HOWEVER, in our pseudo-matriarchal culture today, it is these misandrist elements of Christianity that are focused upon and blown up, and the misogynist elements that are minimized. Religion has to pass through the prism of a given culture, and while objectively Scripture may not be especially misandrist, when applied to our present culture, in practice is is deeply anti-male. Let’s try reading a little more critically, Davey.

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

Yeah Ruby we know, you think that would be hilarious if Jerry Sandusky was raped. Just like you think Bernie Madoff being raped would be hilarious. Because you’re a disgusting person who thinks rape is funny.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

*bangs head against wall* Do y’all think I could manage to make myself as stupid as that comment from Ruby?

Ruby, you’re from/in the US right? Please review the 8th amendment (and the 6th while you’re at it) — we don’t think anyone should be raped, full stop. Justice is not about causing “close to the pain he caused others”, that would be called “revenge”, not “justice”.

What makes you so special you should get to decide which punishments fit which crimes anyways?

Sharculese
9 years ago

yeah, ruby, you’ve said the same thing a million different ways now. we get it, and we still think its disgusting and hateful. repeating yourself isnt helping.

Oh, but you guys have sympathy for a child rapist?

i have sympathy for all rape victims. as fars i know, jerry sandusky is not a rape victim, so no. if he is raped, yes, i’ll have sympathy for him, because nobody deserves to be raped.

but this is pretty rich coming from the woman whos constantly screaming and stomping her feet about strawmanning. does it only count when its done to you, or are you actually too dense to realize what you were doing?

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Ruby, “rape is okay as long as it happens to the right people” is exactly what rapists think.

You aren’t setting yourself apart here.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

So? I don’t know this guy and will take your word that he’s a despicable human but:

– you’re still supporting a rapist. His rapist maybe, but a rapist.
– raping him won’t bring anything to his victims and their loved one, and it will certainly not bring any kind of justice.
– when you’re laughing at a “dropped the soap” joke, it’s mostly about people way less horrible than him.
– you’re laughing at a rape, you horrible person!

No matter how many time you repeat the same heartless thing, you won’t convince anybody that rape is funny under certain circumstances. And the fact that you are so sure that people in prison and your family are basically from different race (evil people! good people!) certainly doesn’t help.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Fucking hell, banging my head against a wall is more productive than dealing with Ruby.

Ruby, you’re horrid.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Did someone imply Ruby is heatless? Yeah, that looks about right.

Sharculese
9 years ago

@kyrie

No matter how many time you repeat the same heartless thing, you won’t convince anybody that rape is funny under certain circumstances.

this isn’t strictly true. i’m sure stormfront or the spearhead would be totally willing to have a serious discussion about which rapes are and arent something to laugh about. but associating ruby with people who agree with her is strawmanning and totes not fair because I AM SO A FEMINIST AND YOU CANT FORCE ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WORDS MEAN

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Since when does “justified”=”funny”, anyway? I think it’s justified that vandals should have to do community service, but I don’t think it’s hilarious–I just feel hopeful that they learn from it. I think it’s justified that murderers should go to prison, but again, not really funny–more like a sad necessity.

I’m not like “five to seven years? HOOOAHAHAHAAHA OH YEAH THAT’S RIGHT HAW HAW HAW.”

That pretty much makes you an asshole even if you weren’t cheering for FUCKING RAPE.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
9 years ago

The confusion over the gene lines comes from the fact that Mary was eldest daughter and there was no son, so her husband becomes her fathers heir. The lines track back through the house of David both through Joseph’s blood and his inheritance of Mary’s line.
The books of the Bible were not all written in the same language. Immanuel, in Hebrew means God with us, and sure enough he was called that among other things.
If it turns out that it really is God’s book those people who have been changing it to suit their politics over the years are gonna be in the deep yoghurt.

Ruby, your situational ethics are revolting and deeply revealing of your character. You totally flunk decent human being 101, but all is not lost. You can change if you want to.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

I’m not like “five to seven years? HOOOAHAHAHAAHA OH YEAH THAT’S RIGHT HAW HAW HAW.”

Though that would be understandable (which is not the same as right) if you’re one of the victims, if it comes from a place of pain. But this here is just plain: “HAHA (bad) people being raped!”.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
9 years ago

Thanks thebionicmummy and thebewilderness for your comments, that makes interpretation much clearer. Given what you both said about the ancestry lines, still not seeing how any of this could be interpreted as showing that women have power over men in xtianity.

Also, setting aside disbelief to make another point, wouldn’t have been devastating for Mary to have her son (and first born) crucified? Or do they think that Mary would have gone out and celebrated when that happened? I’m also assuming that Joseph might have been somewhat cut up about it too, but I’m more familiar with the impact of a loss of a child on women than I am with the same on men – because the couples I know where it’s happened, the men don’t talk about it to me.

lauralot89
9 years ago

And now it’s time for definitions from Ruby: Straw man (n): using a person’s own statements to point out why you disagree with them.

Hey Ruby: No one deserves to be raped. Not even rapists. Suggesting rape is funny because someone had it coming is sick. You are a bad person and you should feel bad.

Sharculese
9 years ago

I have just as much right to come here and vent about MRA’s as anyone else.

ive been thinking about this statement and i wanna say a little more about it.

so, i dunno if you’ve noticed, but a lot more goes on here than just ‘venting’ about mras. there’s a conversation happening, and it’s one that you dont see to give a fuck about. you ignore the general etiquette and standards of appropriate speech, you incessantly repeat points that have already been addressed, you don’t respond to substantive criticism, and you accuse everyone else of acting in bad faith with a hair trigger. if this was a real life congregation, and you pulled the same stunt day after day after day, and when people got fed up and told you to leave them alone responded with ‘you can’t make me so neener neener neener’, people would write you off as obnoxious, immature and entitled. and theyd be right.

im not sure why you think it makes it different that youre behaving this way on the internet. it doesnt.

Bostonian
9 years ago

I was raped as a small child. Do you know what fate I want for my rapist?

For her never to have the opportunity to rape again.

I do not want her raped.

That is not justice.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

I was raped as a small child. Do you know what fate I want for my rapist?

For her never to have the opportunity to rape again.

I wish I were as good a person as you, Bostonian. As far as I can tell, my rapist (the one whose name I know) has had a great life — with children and a great career and all that. I wish his life fucking sucked. I also hope he never rapes again, but my bitterness is way, way deeper than that. I want him to be constantly reminded of what an awful human being he is. I want him to not be able to leave the house for days because he’s been triggered and now can’t forget that he’s a rapist and not fit to be around people. I want him to have been the one who worried about coming into the office once he realized that I worked there, and then finally quit in order to avoid me. I want him to do the work to atone for being a criminal and a predator and a person with a rotten soul.

I don’t want him to ever be raped, because I don’t think anyone should ever be raped, and because rape is not a punishment. But I do feel like an awful, vengeful person, looking at your comment.

Sharculese
9 years ago

But I do feel like an awful, vengeful person, looking at your comment.

you shouldnt feel awful bee. wanting people who have hurt you to feel that hurt themselves is a totally normal and natural thing, it’s not an indictment of who you are. the question is, do you recognize that there are right and wrong ways to handle that desire, and from what i can tell that’s a test you pass.

Bostonian
9 years ago

It took me a long time to get to that place. Wanting your rapist to not feel good about having raped someone is not horrible.

My only point was that I did not wish rape on her.

That is not justice.

I would have loved for her to go to jail, because that is an appropriate punishment for raping children.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

Wow diddler (why am I not surprised at this name) you MRAs really do live on another planet dont you? What element of Christianity today is misandrist? because last time I checked on earth, its the catholic church that is doing everything in its power to reduce or eliminate women’s reproductive rights. Meanwhile men are free to do what they wish. Even if you bring up the child support argument, the church hasnt done anything to enforce those laws or have any part in the discussion. You MRAs are so arrogant and delusional, everything has to be about you. Reality check: it isnt.

Also, what the hell ruby? I have nothing more to add, everyone else pretty much covered it. Prison rape is disgusting.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

I have a bunch of bookmarks that list all the misogynistic quotes and stories in the bible, but im too lazy to cut and paste and MRA trolls are so indoctrinated they wont read them. If you google misogynist bible quotes you’ll find them though. Everything is focused on women not being dirty whores and submitting to their husbands/father/male god…wow such misandry that is! Its so hard to be superior to teh wimminz!!!

Personally my belief is that most misogyny in western culture is due to Christianity shaping our views rather than patriarchy (though it is an extent of patriarchy)

Sharculese
9 years ago

quackers he acknowledge the misogyny, he just claims it’s balanced by the double-secret pretend matriarchy that of course he cant prove exists because thats how secret it is

Sharculese
9 years ago

Here are some actual facts: Of course Christianity isn’t entirely misandrist- but then that’s no what Ms. Blue and Mr. Other are saying. What is does have is elements of misandry (as they have pointed out)- and yes, elements of misogyny as well. HOWEVER, in our pseudo-matriarchal culture today, it is these misandrist elements of Christianity that are focused upon and blown up, and the misogynist elements that are minimized. Religion has to pass through the prism of a given culture, and while objectively Scripture may not be especially misandrist, when applied to our present culture, in practice is is deeply anti-male. Let’s try reading a little more critically, Davey.

you mean they shoehorned in a bunch of unprovable hand-wavey speculation to paper over the obvious holes in their silly little conspiracy theory?

no shit

Sharculese
9 years ago

it is kind of rich though that somebody doesnt realize throwing ‘pseudo’ in front of a claim because you know you can’t actually prove it but ‘pseudo’ makes it nebulous enough that it can mean whatever you want it to mean is a bog standard lazy writers is hectoring other people about critical thinking, and that the ‘critical thinking’ seems to involve uncritically swallowing the statements of john the other

but y’know, gullibility and avfm do seem to go together

Amused
9 years ago

In what way is religion “deeply anti-male”, Diddler?

Are Catholicism, Orthodoxy and traditionalist Protestant sects being “anti-male” by denying women the opportunity to serve as clergy or to have any voice in governing their particular Church? I know you can twist and interpret that as “anti-male” in that excluding women from positions of power and influence “forces” men to “do all the work” — but if that were true, why do traditionalist men have a hissy fit any time someone brings up the issue of women’s doctrinal exclusion from leadership? Don’t tell me they are just being “chivalrous” and “protective”.

Are these traditionalist religions being “anti-male” by denying abused women the right to divorce their husbands, by browbeating women into foregoing education and careers, and relegating them to the status of “helpmeets”?

Are Catholicism and Orthodoxy being “anti-male” by affording men the privilege of confessing most intimate matters to persons of the same gender, while requiring women to undergo the added humiliation of confessing to someone of the opposite sex?

Are these religions being “anti-male” by denying women ANY right to control their reproductive fate, and putting that fate in the hands of their fathers and husbands?

Or are you whining about reform religions, perhaps? In that case, I bet you are the kind of person who thinks that a woman who keeps her last name upon marriage is “emasculating” her husband, even though they both get the exact same thing. You consider allowing women to be clergy “deeply anti-male”? Right, because an all-male clergy is only “somewhat” misogynistic, but let one woman conduct services, and all of a sudden, men are oppressed worse than Jews in ancient Egypt. Or maybe you consider it “deeply anti-male” that those religions have done away with sermons on the evils of mini-skirts? Does the mere suggestion that women aren’t inferior to men impress you as “deeply anti-male”? Because that’s sure what it looks like.

blitzgal
9 years ago

HOWEVER, in our pseudo-matriarchal culture today, it is these misandrist elements of Christianity that are focused upon and blown up, and the misogynist elements that are minimized

See, I know you meant to say this the other way around, but the way you wrote it is actually correct. It is the misogynist elements of Christianity that are minimized and ignored, often to such a ridiculous degree that male religious leaders are asked to testify before Congress about the morality of women’s health.

Shaenon
9 years ago

HOWEVER, in our pseudo-matriarchal culture today, it is these misandrist elements of Christianity that are focused upon and blown up, and the misogynist elements that are minimized.

Can you give an example?

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Thanks for your comments, Sharculese.

pecunium
pecunium
9 years ago

Oh fuck… they screw up the Immaculate Conception (not that I think they would be happier with the real explanation).

Mary was concieved without sin, it’s what made her capable of carrying Jesus; it’s also the reason she was venrerable in the church of the late middle ages and the “cult of Mary”. Her lack of original sin meant that she was a more worthy intercessor than other saints. It’s also what led to the only explicit use of “Ex cathedra to declare that she was assumed bodily into heaven (as were Elijah and Jesus).

It’s not that she “conceived” Jesus without fucking (there’s a whole ‘nother bowl of worms in the way Jesus conception is both handled in the text, and treated in the various sects of Christianity), but this is a misunderstanding of a doctrine which they are then twisting to a different set of problematic (and bullshit) conclusions.

Amused
9 years ago

I would also point out that Jesus’ flogging and crucifixion were not about his gender. This wasn’t done for a perceived sexual transgression or because he violated the boundaries of traditional gender roles. So the idea that the Gospels are “anti-male” is absurd in that respect as well.

pecunium
pecunium
9 years ago

Hank: Not being a great reader of the Bible I ask does it say that Jesus never had sex with a women, or a man for that matter. What about DIY – any specific denial of that. Surely he used it for peeing.

No, it doesn’t. What is said is that Jesus was, “without sin”. If a sect thinks that sex outside of marriage, or masturbation, etc. is a sin, then, ispo facto that sect will say Jesus didn’t do them.

Lady Zombie: There is evidence that Jesus existed outside the Bible, Josephus mentions him.

lauralot: As a Catholic it’s a case of the Bible being the work of man. It’s not inerrant, and it’s not fixed. That’s why there is (as with the Talmud) so much commentary.

It’s inspired by God, but not written by him.

Seranvali
Seranvali
9 years ago

I sometimes wonder if Jesus was married. If he was it’s not mentioned but it would be highly unusual in that society for an adult, healthy man to have remained single. So much so that I imagine the gospel writers would have mentioned it. I know it’s an arguement by omission so there’s no way, apart from another discovery like the Dead Sea Scrolls (which If I remember correctly are older than any of the canonical gospels except possibly Mark) that we’ll ever know for certain. However, reading translations of said texts Jesus seems to have a very high opinion of Mary Magdelene. That doesn’t mean that they were married, of course, but it’s a bit suggestive.

Just to be clear, I’m not a Christian, although I was raised in a liberal Baptist church and I strongly agree with the social gospel, which is diametrically opposed to what most fundamentalists believe. I left the church because the hypocrisy of the theology of success sickened me and there was no way I could force myself to believe the supernatural elements.

Seranvali
Seranvali
9 years ago

Also: the post David refers to is bullshit. I honestly can’t see how they could reach that conclusion and seriously wonder if any of them actually read the Bible before making such a stupid argument.

Seranvali
Seranvali
9 years ago

Pecunium:

Josephus does mention him but I’d be far from confident that his text wasn’t doctored by the monks who did the copying at a later date. Mind you, I think the Gospels were told with contemporary issues in mind and I doubt very much that Jesus actually said 90% of the things attributed to him. I tend to take the line that if what he is supposed to have said was really difficult for his listeners to hear he probably said it. You know, stuff like his conversation with the rich young ruler and the bit about the camel and the eye of the needle!

Polliwog
Polliwog
9 years ago

I don’t want him to ever be raped, because I don’t think anyone should ever be raped, and because rape is not a punishment. But I do feel like an awful, vengeful person, looking at your comment.

Because it might help – the guy who abused and assaulted me is an arachnophobe. Sometimes, on bad days, I have this daydream in which I recruit people from around the world to send him boxes full of spiders. Not venomous ones or anything, just thousands and thousands of harmless spiders, maybe even dead harmless spiders, in boxes, showing up at his door at random intervals for the rest of his life, so that every time the doorbell rings he has to wonder if another box of spiders is being delivered, so that every day he has to wonder if today he’ll be incapacitated by fear, so that every day he can know what it’s like to live in terror of something completely beyond your control.

I have never sent him a box of spiders, and I never will. And I think, really, that the difference between being a good person and a bad person isn’t whether I think about covering an arachnophobe in spiders – it’s whether I’d ever actually do it. Seeing as I have no intention of ever realizing that daydream, thinking about it isn’t actually vengeful; it’s just a way for me to make myself feel better by imagining myself as the one with the power to hurt him instead of the other way around, and choosing, every time, not to do so, because I’m better than that. Because I’m better than him. And the day I imagine it for the very last time, it won’t be because I’ve become a better person; I’m already plenty good. It’ll just be because I’ve healed enough that I don’t need to imagine being powerful anymore, because I can feel that way in real life.

So don’t feel awful, or vengeful. You’re not. (Or, hey, if you are, we can be awful and vengeful together, because I’m pretty cool with embracing my spiders-in-boxes fantasy. Since it’s a fantasy, sometimes I like to think they are talking spiders who all swarm out of the box going, “YOU FAIL AT LIFE, ASSHOLE” in little chittery spider-voices. That would be great. And then they all poop on him. I don’t know if spiders even poop per se, but whatever, talking pooping spiders!)

katz
9 years ago

Someday MRAs are going to discover Sikhism and really flip their shit.

scarlettpipistrelle
9 years ago

Or the Bahai’s

scarlettpipistrelle
9 years ago

Gurdjieff (and some others in the Eastern Orthodox world) tried to say that Jesus never laughed. The gospel accounts are simply too brief to cover everything, and MRA exegesis is expecially lame.

Sharculese
9 years ago

@katz

mras are going to discover something that isnt white-centric? who would tell them?

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
9 years ago

OH NO, A BUNCH OF NOBODIES ON THE INTERNET THINK I’M A HORRIBLE PERSON. THERE GOES MY SELF ESTEEM!!! LOL!

Yawn. Your self righteous morality bores me. You remind me of Right-Wingers, and Left-Wingers.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Oooh, are we playing “add -winger to things and pretend that makes it an insult”? Let me try!

You remind me of rape-apologist-wingers … oh wait, rape-apologist is already something most people don’t want to be…

Ruby no one really gives a shit if you think you’re a terrible person, or a great person, or what-the-fuck-ever — we just want you to stop spewing rape apologia and then trying to claim the moral high ground because um I said so that’s why!

Get lost, take your rape apologia elsewhere.

Sharculese
9 years ago

you sure are acting aggrieved and self-righteous about something you ‘totally don’t care about’, rube

hint: nobody is fooled by the ‘i totally dont care, see how much i dont care, pay attention to me over here, not caring thing’ especially by as much sniveling as you engage in

Sharculese
9 years ago

also, remember kids, when you dont have anything substantive to say, accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being an extremist. that totally does not look lame and masturbatory.

Sharculese
9 years ago

@argenti

Oooh, are we playing “add -winger to things and pretend that makes it an insult”? Let me try!

it’s kind of funny because the driving force behind ruby’s beliefs is pure wingnuttery, but she’s a self-proclaimed ‘libertarian’ and ‘feminist’ so nobody can accuse her of being an extremist because she said so that’s why.

it’s special snowflake syndrome in its purest form, and shes clearly enraged that we dont bow down in awe of what a bold freethinker she is.

Sharculese
9 years ago

although most of the people here are pretty openly left-wing, so im not sure why that was supposed to be an insult. i mean, except in the mind of self-congratulatory ‘moderates’.