Please, tell me specifically what is misandry here?
Ugh, don’t encourage them.
2-D Man's Rights Activist
12 years ago
Feminists like David Fatrelle will make fun of men for talking about their problems in the company of their betters (women). And yet when the men go and make an ENTIRE movement about their problem, you make an entire blog mocking them. Hypocrites and misandrists is all you are, Fatrelle.
Misandry!
For a good 40 or 50 years before the internet explosion women had virtual carte blanche to ridicule men without so much as a peep of dissent. All problems were woman-centric and that’s all you ever heard. Poor, oppressed women and their eternal victimhood.
Take heart ladies, nothing has changed. The election is all about the war on women. Charities are a virtual woman’s only club and there’s more every year. The MSM adores you and genuflects with utmost reverence at every opportunity. Big Daddy will suck every last penny from the serfs to satisfy your slightest whim. The vote is your’s and the western world is exactly the way you’ve created it.
i said:
“If we hated men, I doubt we would have so many male commentors here.”
I realize that is a weak point because there are so many female MRAs. But if we called men names all of the time the way MRAs do to women (cunt, whore, slit, cumbucket), maybe some of the men here wouldn’t like it. But I’ve never seen men here referred to as “dickbag, cockface, etc.” Though I don’t think there is a male equivalent to the ever pernicious “cunt.”
And I don’t want to hear “I never use the C word.” Maybe you personally don’t, but you visit sites where posts containing that word and worse are left up. And you ally yourselves with people who make those votes, and you probably upvote them. Your hands really aren’t that clean.
The most misandric statements I’ve ever heard have always come from MRAs. If you don’t fit their exact and precise model of what a man should be, they call you a mangina and bully you. Now that is man hating!
IT’S OKAY FOR MEN TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS IN FRONT OF OR TO WOMEN.
Eh… sort of. Of course it’s okay in the general sense. But men who talk about their problems in front of women who never agreed to listen don’t get to demand those women’s attention. And they don’t have the right to use platforms owned by women to do so.
(The same applies equally to any men who didn’t agree to hear these guys’ problems. And obviously this doesn’t apply to women who want to hear men’s problems or give them a platform.)
If you think you have to post on my blog to talk “in front of” me, or you have to get a positive response from me to talk “to” me, then no, that’s no longer okay.
2-D Man
12 years ago
@ragefromthebasement
I was just pointing out that what they are doing is exactly what was being pointed out in the comic.
Hey, guys, I started a blog about men. It literally took me five seconds at WordPress. I also got a lot of positive links and attention from feminists, possibly because I’m not a misogynist twit. It is really not that hard.
Also, you are *not helping your cause.* Because when you try to make all the FGM conversations about circumcision, everyone is like “bleh, I am SO BORED of talking about circumcision, those assholes bring it up ALL THE TIME.” But if you only bring up circumcision when it’s relevant (note: you can start your own blog to do so if you like), then you can do that.
An MRA named Norseman. I’d bet that with enough exposure we’d eventually have him either make a white supremacist comment or link back to In Mala Fide, but no bookie in the world would want to pay out on such an obvious bet.
He’s a Doctor Who baddie from what might be the most boring new series episodes. (Derailing to sci-fi before we derail to circumcision XD )
I thought that episode was kind of sweet in places, but boy did the happy ending bug the hell out of me. I can explain if you want, but I’ll have to use rot13 because it gives away the whole ending.
As for that video game, with the blinking eyes and getting a new body, that was Pac-Man.
Kyrie
12 years ago
Falconer, I’d like to hear your opinion about the end of the episode. (though I suspect I won’t disagree)
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago
Falconer // Kyrie — I agree that it had its good moments but was way to um… GEH YHI!! rirelobql qvrf rkprcg gur tvey, onfvpnyyl. (rot13)
Falconer — damnit not Pac-Man, there was another one with tubes/pipes you went down and had to blink back up to the top if you screwed up, but I cannot remember the name of it!
Dracula
12 years ago
I thought it was a really good episode, up until the end. I really liked the idea of a Doctor Who story told from an outsider’s perspective, showing how ordinary people deal with weird shit they don’t really understand.
@Argenti — There was a bit of that, indeed. I was more put off by the whole fur’f nyzbfg yvgrenyyl bowrpgvsvrq, orvat n snpr va n cnivat fgbar.
Naq gura ur fnlf gurl unir fbzrguvat bs n ybir yvsr, juvpu whfg fdhvpxf zr bhg ab raq, rfcrpvnyyl fvapr vg jbhyq frrz gb or gbgnyyl bar-fvqrq.
Ynfgyl, ubj ybat jvyy fur yvir nf n snpr va n cnivat fgbar? Jvyy fur raq hc ghpxrq njnl va na nggvp fbzrjurer, sbe fbzr yvggyr tvey gb fghzoyr bire naq trg ernyyl sernxrq bhg nobhg?
Gur cybg qvqa’g qb ure ab snibef. Naq V jba’g gnyx nobhg ubj ure erfheerpgvba gbgnyyl oyrj n ubyr va gur thl’f zbheavat, orpnhfr, lbh xabj, qhqr ceboyrzf.
No, the story itself was fine up until the last five minutes or so. The story I really can’t stand is “Family of Blood” and its second half, because I just really can’t sympathize with Wbua Fzvgu at all and I end up spending the last half of the second part wishing he’d go away fb jr pbhyq unir gur Qbpgbe onpx, nyernql.
It’s easy to be That Guy on a site where we dissect men’s opinions of women, because that ropic blends very easily into men’s opinions of each other and of themselves. I found that out firsthand here at Man Boobz and Man Boobz Forum.
But however related the topic, it is far from the remit. Until a lot more work has been done on everybody’s attitudes, and there is a lot less alienation between women and men, I agree the MB sites should be first and foremost about men’s views of [i]women[/i]. If I have nothing to say about women, I will say nothing.
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago
Falconer — to avoid having this conversation entirely in cypher, I’m just going to say yes to all of that. Particularly their “frk yvsr” and my annoyance at Wbua Fzvgu (hilariously, I didn’t need the cypher for that one).
Raoul — wtf does MB there mean? Manboobz? This is about men’s views only because men spew more misogyny (misogyny, we mock it). And you want <i> or <em> — same result, usually, but screenreaders have, or at least had, issues with italics (italics is only valid in print, emphasis applies to whatever medium is being used, including spoken word).
We Hunted The Mammoth
Please, tell me specifically what is misandry here?
Ugh, don’t encourage them.
Misandry!
Misandry!
i said:
“If we hated men, I doubt we would have so many male commentors here.”
I realize that is a weak point because there are so many female MRAs. But if we called men names all of the time the way MRAs do to women (cunt, whore, slit, cumbucket), maybe some of the men here wouldn’t like it. But I’ve never seen men here referred to as “dickbag, cockface, etc.” Though I don’t think there is a male equivalent to the ever pernicious “cunt.”
And I don’t want to hear “I never use the C word.” Maybe you personally don’t, but you visit sites where posts containing that word and worse are left up. And you ally yourselves with people who make those votes, and you probably upvote them. Your hands really aren’t that clean.
@ 2-D
The most misandric statements I’ve ever heard have always come from MRAs. If you don’t fit their exact and precise model of what a man should be, they call you a mangina and bully you. Now that is man hating!
Eh… sort of. Of course it’s okay in the general sense. But men who talk about their problems in front of women who never agreed to listen don’t get to demand those women’s attention. And they don’t have the right to use platforms owned by women to do so.
(The same applies equally to any men who didn’t agree to hear these guys’ problems. And obviously this doesn’t apply to women who want to hear men’s problems or give them a platform.)
If you think you have to post on my blog to talk “in front of” me, or you have to get a positive response from me to talk “to” me, then no, that’s no longer okay.
@ragefromthebasement
I was just pointing out that what they are doing is exactly what was being pointed out in the comic.
@Cliff
I agree. Of course, no one has the right to force another person to pay attention to them, male or female.
@2-D
Ok, I get it. I’m a bit slow on the uptake 🙂
Hey, guys, I started a blog about men. It literally took me five seconds at WordPress. I also got a lot of positive links and attention from feminists, possibly because I’m not a misogynist twit. It is really not that hard.
Also, you are *not helping your cause.* Because when you try to make all the FGM conversations about circumcision, everyone is like “bleh, I am SO BORED of talking about circumcision, those assholes bring it up ALL THE TIME.” But if you only bring up circumcision when it’s relevant (note: you can start your own blog to do so if you like), then you can do that.
Not sure what happened at the end of the sentence. Supposed to read:
then people will be less bored and actually want to talk about circumcision possibly.
David Futrelle is so fat that he is actually multiple people who have connected together to form some super-being a la Voltron.
I mean, or, I guess, the implication is that “Fatrelle” is the entire feminist movement/commenter base here/take your pick, really.
I will predict right now that after I make this comment, this thread will become one about circumcision. In 3 … 2 … 1 …
“David Futrelle is so fat that he is actually multiple people who have connected together to form some super-being a la Voltron.”
Or like the Abzorbaloff? (Warning if you google images Abzorbaloff, you’ll get porn for no apparent reason)
He’s a Doctor Who baddie from what might be the most boring new series episodes. (Derailing to sci-fi before we derail to circumcision XD )
>All problems were woman-centric and that’s all you ever heard. Poor, oppressed women and their eternal victimhood.
Save the Whales was about women, yes.
“Woman-centric”? Derrida begs to differ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallogocentrism
(Waiting for comments declaring Derrida to have been a “mangina”)
We need a name for the power of sensing when women are talking about misogyny. I nominate “My dude-bro senses are tingling.”
An MRA named Norseman. I’d bet that with enough exposure we’d eventually have him either make a white supremacist comment or link back to In Mala Fide, but no bookie in the world would want to pay out on such an obvious bet.
Similarly…
http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2012-06-23.gif
“MRA blogs don’t blip out of existence just because David mocks them.”
…but I wouldn’t complain if they did.
@Argenti Aertheri:
I thought that episode was kind of sweet in places, but boy did the happy ending bug the hell out of me. I can explain if you want, but I’ll have to use rot13 because it gives away the whole ending.
As for that video game, with the blinking eyes and getting a new body, that was Pac-Man.
Falconer, I’d like to hear your opinion about the end of the episode. (though I suspect I won’t disagree)
Falconer // Kyrie — I agree that it had its good moments but was way to um… GEH YHI!! rirelobql qvrf rkprcg gur tvey, onfvpnyyl. (rot13)
Falconer — damnit not Pac-Man, there was another one with tubes/pipes you went down and had to blink back up to the top if you screwed up, but I cannot remember the name of it!
I thought it was a really good episode, up until the end. I really liked the idea of a Doctor Who story told from an outsider’s perspective, showing how ordinary people deal with weird shit they don’t really understand.
@Argenti — There was a bit of that, indeed. I was more put off by the whole fur’f nyzbfg yvgrenyyl bowrpgvsvrq, orvat n snpr va n cnivat fgbar.
Naq gura ur fnlf gurl unir fbzrguvat bs n ybir yvsr, juvpu whfg fdhvpxf zr bhg ab raq, rfcrpvnyyl fvapr vg jbhyq frrz gb or gbgnyyl bar-fvqrq.
Ynfgyl, ubj ybat jvyy fur yvir nf n snpr va n cnivat fgbar? Jvyy fur raq hc ghpxrq njnl va na nggvp fbzrjurer, sbe fbzr yvggyr tvey gb fghzoyr bire naq trg ernyyl sernxrq bhg nobhg?
Gur cybg qvqa’g qb ure ab snibef. Naq V jba’g gnyx nobhg ubj ure erfheerpgvba gbgnyyl oyrj n ubyr va gur thl’f zbheavat, orpnhfr, lbh xabj, qhqr ceboyrzf.
No, the story itself was fine up until the last five minutes or so. The story I really can’t stand is “Family of Blood” and its second half, because I just really can’t sympathize with Wbua Fzvgu at all and I end up spending the last half of the second part wishing he’d go away fb jr pbhyq unir gur Qbpgbe onpx, nyernql.
It’s easy to be That Guy on a site where we dissect men’s opinions of women, because that ropic blends very easily into men’s opinions of each other and of themselves. I found that out firsthand here at Man Boobz and Man Boobz Forum.
But however related the topic, it is far from the remit. Until a lot more work has been done on everybody’s attitudes, and there is a lot less alienation between women and men, I agree the MB sites should be first and foremost about men’s views of [i]women[/i]. If I have nothing to say about women, I will say nothing.
Falconer — to avoid having this conversation entirely in cypher, I’m just going to say yes to all of that. Particularly their “frk yvsr” and my annoyance at Wbua Fzvgu (hilariously, I didn’t need the cypher for that one).
Raoul — wtf does MB there mean? Manboobz? This is about men’s views only because men spew more misogyny (misogyny, we mock it). And you want <i> or <em> — same result, usually, but screenreaders have, or at least had, issues with italics (italics is only valid in print, emphasis applies to whatever medium is being used, including spoken word).
But the guy has a point…..