Categories
douchebaggery drama kings misandry misogyny oppressed men

Shortpacked: “Somewhere there’s a conversation that’s not yet about dude problems!”

 

A great cartoon from Shortpacked. Click on the image to go there!

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

75 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
DYOR
DYOR
8 years ago

LOL 🙂

Ithiliana
8 years ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
8 years ago

Dood problems!

Grinner
Grinner
8 years ago

Here in a nutshell is my biggest problem with the MRM and everyone associated with it: They bring up legitimate issues (toxic portrayals of masculinity, lack of awareness of prostate cancer etc) and then cloud them with their claims of misandry. This then messes up the entire debate, and turns people who want to help away.

Also, DOOD PROBLEMS MYSANDRY RARARARAR

Amnesia
Amnesia
8 years ago

I like how both girls just happen to be wearing green, as green is my OTC (One True Color). Also, great comic.

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
8 years ago

Now where are they that there are so many MRA’s?

Ithiliana
8 years ago

@Ruby: ON THE INTERNET!

Seraph
Seraph
8 years ago

Amnesia – both girls are employees at “Shortpacked”, the titular toystore. The green is their work uniform.

ostara321
ostara321
8 years ago

LOL, Ithilianna. TRUFAX! But you know, it’s not even MRAs who engage in that kind of thing. Pretty much everywhere on the internet where there is a conversation about issues that are generally more lady-specific and it isn’t a place that has no qualms about banning them (places like Shakesville come to mind) there will be an army of dudes wailing about how much more horrible shit is for dudes. Or at the very least, there’s shit dudes have to put up with too and SEEE that means your shit doesn’t matter.

I mean, heck, that’s Elevatorgate in a nutshell right there.

HeatherN
8 years ago

It’s funny disheartening because it’s true.

Jar
Jar
8 years ago

The third panel is what happens in the comment section literally every time the creator talks about misogyny/gender in the comic.

Besides being a little silly at parts, it’s a pretty good comic.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh damn… I done died

Amnesia
Amnesia
8 years ago

@Seraph
Oh. I knew that. (Obviously not)

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

So, I was reading the comments on this comic and someone linked to a discussion on the Penny Arcade forums where a user called LadyM posted a great analogy for how society and issues of sexism, racism, etc. are related. Here’s the link to the comment if you want to check it out:
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/23297174#Comment_23297174

katz
8 years ago

Haha, so true!

blitzgal
8 years ago

So, this week the DOJ published a new set of standards set to reduce the incidence of prison rape. Guess who’s firmly against the new regulations, claiming they will “cost too much?” Here’s a hint: it’s not liberals and feminists.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/20/503226/american-action-forum-prison-rape/

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

@Blitzgal

MRAs don’t want special protections for men, that costs way too much money. They just want all protections or even acknowledgement of women’s issues abolished because, you know, that’s only fair. The shittiest possible protection for all!

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

I read some internet discussion on female genital mutilation and some guy jumps in and goes “MALES GET CIRCUMCISED!”. Er, yes, and it’s a problem that this is done to babies without their consent. But seriously… Female genital mutilation is rather comparable to cutting off the head of the dick, or the entire dick, depending on which kind we’re discussing. It’s NOT comparable to male circumcision. If somebody had her outer genitals CUT OFF it’s bloody insensitive to cry out “but look at me, I was circumcised!”.

blitzgal
8 years ago

EVERY internet discussion of FGM turns into a discussion of male circumcision. It’s the perfect example of what this comic is talking about.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

It’s even worse than that, in that when feminists get annoyed at manjackings (man hijackings) of non-man-related topics, they then run back to whatever hole they came from and everyone else ends up with this impression that feminists don’t care about men’s issues.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

Gah, the “they” after the comma referring to the mans. Clarity fail.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

EVERY internet discussion of FGM turns into a discussion of male circumcision. It’s the perfect example of what this comic is talking about.

THIS.

Isn’t this one of the reasons they started No, Seriously, What About the Men? So men could have some place to go and talk about men’s issues and leave Pandagon, Shakesville and everyone else alone?

Magical Laura (@_magical_laura)

Is circumcision still routinely done on the majority of babies with penises in the US?

2-D Man's Rights Activist
2-D Man's Rights Activist
8 years ago

Misandry!

katz
8 years ago

Yeah, even having to explain why FGM and circumcision are different is already adding to the problem, because you’ve already let them change the conversation so it’s about men and how they have problems too.

So I guess the only “correct” reply to “what about circumcision?” is “We’ll talk about that another time. Right now we’re talking about FGM.”

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

So I guess the only “correct” reply to “what about circumcision?” is “We’ll talk about that another time. Right now we’re talking about FGM.”

No! Let’s talk about me! Me and my problems! If we don’t talk about me and my problems right now, I’m going to hold my breath until I turn blue!

[/three-year-old]

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

I hope people reading the comic get that the problem is not men talking about their problems. It’s men demanding their problems be talked about any time women mention theirs.

It’s the difference between:
“I have hayfever.”
“Aw man, that sucks.”

And:
“My dog ran away, and I’m really worried that…”
“Never mind that! I have hayfever! We need to talk about hayfever! CAN’T YOU SEE MY NOSE IS RUNNY?”

The hayfever is not the inappropriate part here, is my point. It’s the context.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

@Cliff — I think the false equivalence is clear in the first panel. Of course, that’s just me, and I’ve been reading SP! for years now and Willis gets a lot of mileage out of privileged white boys complaining about minor stuff as though it were the end of the world.

Mostly it’s about toys, though.

ostara321
ostara321
8 years ago

The hayfever is not the inappropriate part here, is my point. It’s the context.

Yeah, the very people who do it are usually the same kind of people who don’t get that it’s the context that matters. It becomes “you don’t CARE ABOUT ME!!!!” when you try to say “um, hey, not about you, here.” The point isn’t that people don’t care that you have hayfever, it’s that this conversation isn’t about you or your hayfever.

Personally, my favorite classic “must make this about teh doods!” derail is the “but no really, there are dudes not getting laid!” argument used for just about anything and everything. I mean, I’m sorry, but someone’s inability to get laid sucks, but is not some grave, wide-scale, societal injustice.

Shaenon
8 years ago

David Willis: BEST GUY.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

I wish I could say I was shocked or surprised.. but I don’t think i’m capable of being shocked or surprised by the stupidity of people anymore.

(Sidenote, proper avatar gooo! Goodbye stupid random coloured shape thing).

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
8 years ago

The cartoon is an excellent example of how male privilege works. Because men are considered the default, if women talk about an issue that disproportionately affects women, it’s seen as unusual or offensive. The guys that derail women’s discussions do what they do because they want women to shut up and refocus all of their energy on catering to them and their needs.

I wish I could find it now, but I read an article a while back about poor women having a higher risk of death in childbirth. Anthony Zarat showed up in the comment section to say the article was misandric for not dealing with his favorite topic, ADHD medication for boys. The people that ran the website deleted his comment, but it still changed the entire discussion. Most of the rest of the comments ended up addressing his complaints and forgetting the topic of poor women not having enough access to good medical care in pregnancy and labor.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I am genuinely surprised that nobody has showed up to make the “but it’s so hard for men to get laid!” argument in response to this post yet. It seems to be mandatory – I think there’s some sort of dudely Bat signal that gets sent out any time anyone is talking about anything that’s a problem for women. I love how they expect that argument shut down any conversation about any woman anywhere.

“That poor girl who got infected with the flesh eating bacteria is having a really hard time, I heard that she had to have her hands amputated.”

“Yeah, well, I’m 22 and I’ve never had sex. What about my feelings?”

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Cassandra, I’m sure Chris or Dave: The Love Shy (jesus christ) Assholes, will show up and whine about how haaaaard it is not getting laid, ask us for dating tips, and then top off that shit sundae with a question trying to get us to admit that feminists are horrid awful people.

Norseman
Norseman
8 years ago

Feminists like David Fatrelle will make fun of men for talking about their problems in the company of their betters (women). And yet when the men go and make an ENTIRE movement about their problem, you make an entire blog mocking them. Hypocrites and misandrists is all you are, Fatrelle.

nwoslave
8 years ago

For a good 40 or 50 years before the internet explosion women had virtual carte blanche to ridicule men without so much as a peep of dissent. All problems were woman-centric and that’s all you ever heard. Poor, oppressed women and their eternal victimhood.

Take heart ladies, nothing has changed. The election is all about the war on women. Charities are a virtual woman’s only club and there’s more every year. The MSM adores you and genuflects with utmost reverence at every opportunity. Big Daddy will suck every last penny from the serfs to satisfy your slightest whim. The vote is your’s and the western world is exactly the way you’ve created it.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

@NWO:

The vote is your’s and the western world is exactly the way you’ve created it.

Amazing that half the population, which doesn’t actually all vote the same way, have somehow taken control over all of politics. A shame that men lost the right to vote, and haven’t voted since women obtained their right to vote, eh?

Charities are a virtual woman’s only club and there’s more every year.

You’ve got to be shitting me.

red_locker
8 years ago

…I love everything today.

(Well, ok, not EVERYTHING. Romney is still running for prez, but one can’t have ’em all, I guess)

Sharculese
8 years ago

And yet when the men go and make an ENTIRE movement about their problem, you make an entire blog mocking them

you didnt make a movement, you made a bunch of shouty little shitfit websites where you can pat each other on the back for recognizing how much girls have cooties while not actually doing anything in reality.

if you had an actual movement, that might not be mockworthy. what you have, on the other hand, totally is.

katz
8 years ago

The phrase “and yet” would make a good drinking game.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Magical Laura — “Is circumcision still routinely done on the majority of babies with penises in the US?” — just barely a majority, but yes. The last few years have seen rates just over 50%. It’s down dramatically from the 80-90+% rates of the 70s and 80s, but still a slight majority.

Norseman — you might’ve tried reading the FAQ before attempting to insult David based on his weight —

Q) I heard some MRAs call you fat. Are you fat?
A) Yes, I am fat. This may be the only true thing that MRAs have ever said about me.

NWO — as usual, you are terrible at math, and history, assuming “the internet explosion” was the late 90s, and subtracting 40 years, gets us the late 1950s, yeah the 50s were just all about women’s problems, and I’m sure another decade before that, ie the end of WWII, was all about women. If I’m less generous with “the internet explosion”, the internet was standardized in 1982 — 40 years before that was 1942, the middle of WWII, 50 years before was 1932, the goddamned great depression. Being you, I’m sure you can find a way to claim the great depression and WWII were just all about women, but in reality, neither was.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Argenti, don’t send him to the FAQ, we’ll have another 1,000 post ignorance festival.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

Feminists like David Fatrelle will make fun of men for talking about their problems in the company of their betters (women).

This is the Internet. You can create your own spaces for discussion for free with about twenty minutes work. There’s no excuse for acting like feminist forums are the only places you can possibly talk.

And yet when the men go and make an ENTIRE movement about their problem, you make an entire blog mocking them.

That’s because you’ve defined “your problem” as women, or, if you’re a “moderate MRA,” only women who are outspoken about their rights.

When you’re pro-man but not anti-woman, you don’t end up on this blog.

(Also? Ending up on this blog is not the end of the world. You can still have your discussion, even if someone somewhere is mocking it. MRA blogs don’t blip out of existence just because David mocks them.)

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

@Cliff:

There’s no excuse for acting like feminist forums are the only places you can possibly talk.

Somewhat of a tangent, but I think I finally realized why some people are so intent on making feminist spaces about men. Because feminism, as a movement, has been successful. They’re too lazy to start their own movement, and here is one that is already getting shit done! They’ve spent enough time on their issues, now it’s time to focuse on me!

Trying to take over women’s spaces implies they understand that women’s issues are being heard and being acted upon. And they want to piggy-back on top of that success.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

MRA blogs don’t blip out of existence just because David mocks them.)

Actually, they’re reduced to a pair of comical, blinking cartoon eyes, and then they have wend their way through the series of tubes back to Reddit for a new body. Only then can they patrol the Intarwebz for conversations that aren’t all about them, at least until David chomps down on the power pill of noticing their bullshit and my god this is a really tortured Pac-Man metaphor, isn’t it?

Shaenon
8 years ago

The vote is your’s and the western world is exactly the way you’ve created it.

Yeah, it’s pretty boss, isn’t it?

Okay, off to make braised artichoke hearts and a batch of refrigerator pickles. Talk later.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“Actually, they’re reduced to a pair of comical, blinking cartoon eyes, and then they have wend their way through the series of tubes back to Reddit for a new body.”

Please tell me you remember the name of that game, because I’d love to play it again. Thank you!

hellkell — but it’s the FAQ! Shouldn’t that be required reading? (Not saying you’re wrong, just noting the weirdness of telling him not to read the FAQ…most places it’s “did you read the FAQ first?”)

xardoz
8 years ago

And they want to piggy-back on top of that success.

Yeah, that’s MRA in a nutshell. They recently funded a kickstarter for a documentary about a false rape accusation victim. This might be the first time they accomplished something without resorting to hate and harassment, and do you know what motivated them?

The horrible trauma of Feminist Frequency raising 150K over kickstarter. They gnashed their teeth over that for a week while mulling over ways to “fight back” (their words, not mine). MRAs are not self-starters.

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

@Norseman

“Feminists like David Fatrelle will make fun of men for talking about their problems in the company of their betters (women).”

You have totally missed the point and discussion of this post. IT’S OKAY FOR MEN TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS IN FRONT OF OR TO WOMEN.

What is not okay? Hijacking or derailing the conversation when women’s issues are being discussed. Is it really that hard for you to understand?

This site is not about misandry. If we hated men, I doubt we would have so many male commentors here. Please, tell me specifically what is misandry here? And if you misinterpret things that are not misandry and think they are, that doesn’t count, and it’s not our fault.