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Men’s Rights Redditor: Rape jokes protect men from false rape accusations

How to get yourself upvoted on the Men’s Rights subreddit: Suggest that people making rape jokes help to protect men from false rape allegations. That at least seems to be the clear implication of this comment from DoctorStorm (hopefully not a real doctor):

How to get yourself downvoted on the Men’s Rights subreddit: Tell DoctorStorm that the reason you shouldn’t tell rape jokes is that some of those in your audience may be rape victims, and that as a decent human being you might just want to be a tiny bit concerned about their feelings:

Douchebaggery towards rape victims: it’s a Men’s Right!

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Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

It’s true. Rape jokes do protect men from rape accusations.

…true or false.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

So I guess they’d be totally OK with jokes about prison rape then?

katz
8 years ago

The second poster made the classic mistake of using the word “triggering.” Everyone knows that the existence of that word is LANGUAGE CONTROL.

Grapeban
Grapeban
8 years ago

Hey, that’s me! I suppose me being mentioned here will ruin my reputation in the face of all MRA from here on out. I struggle to shed even one drop of liquid sorrow.

Amnesia
Amnesia
8 years ago

It’s true! The more you use rape jokes, the less likely that any rape accusations against you are false.

CoolDude
CoolDude
8 years ago

What the hell is wrong with these people? They are obsessed with “thought control,” they don’t even know what it means judging by the number of times “THOUGHT POLICE” gets thrown around on Reddit with no real idea of what that term means.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

They also don’t get the difference between thought control and just simply getting shit for demeaning others. No matter how many times feminists (or others) say “you can still say whatever the fuck you like, we’re just not going to sit by and let it slide”, they still think we’re trying to throw them in jail for saying “bad words”.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

Don’t you all know that “please don’t say that, it hurts me” is the EXACT SAME as making it illegal for that phrase to ever be uttered? Triggers are CENSORSHIP!

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago
Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

I’ve probably posted it before, but in discussions of Reddit (and MRA’s), it’s always relevant

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

Ninja’d by Crumb on the prison rape jokes. We all know how consistant and fair MRAs are when it comes to what sexism and hate of the opposite sex is acceptable *eyeroll*

valerienorth
valerienorth
8 years ago

OMG, the Onion piece was great. That is exactly them. Thx for sharing.

pangea
8 years ago

People want power. People with power want more power. People with lots of power do not want to lose any power, nor will they give any power away.

Hence the existence of the MRM.

skokieboki@yahoo.com
skokieboki@yahoo.com
8 years ago

Another problem with a lot of rape jokes is that so often they are treating rape as something that is just bound to happen and is part of a healthy man’s sex drive. Even worse, sometimes they appear to be contemplating whether something is really bad at all.

Worst rape “joke” that I have heard repeated: If you rape a prostitute is it rape or shoplifting?

This “joke” is hinting that maybe raping a powerless prostitute really isn’t a big deal. There are people who actually think that, which makes the joke so scary and disgusting.

BigMomma
BigMomma
8 years ago

People want power. People with power want more power. People with lots of power do not want to lose any power, nor will they give any power away.

did he seriously say this without irony?

BigMomma
BigMomma
8 years ago

argh, ninja’d!

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

Apparently they fail to see the difference between being told “you’re upsetting people” and censorship.

Either that or they’re that class of people who think “free speech” means “I can say whatever the hell I want whenever I want with no consequences whatsoever”.

There also seems to be the implication that they don’t think hurting people is something to feel bad about.

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

There are always going to scumbags making horrible jokes. Remember all the horrible Ryan White jokes in the 80’s? If people can mock an innocent child, they can mock anyone. The internet just brings out everyone’s inner asshole because of the anonymity. MRAs and PUAs act like big shot alphas online. In real life they’re pathetic losers who don’t have even the self confidence to correct a stranger who mispronounces their name. At least one good thing I can say about Bernard Chapin is that he isn’t anonymous. If you’re going to spout stuff online, at least be strong enough to own it in real life, too.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

Joking about cutting off men’s balls will prevent loreena bobbit type cases….right MRAs?

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

There also seems to be the implication that they don’t think hurting people is something to feel bad about.

Yeah, I enjoy their complaints (which came up in that Reddit thread, but has come up before) that feminism is bad because it`s concerned with how people feel.

fishes
fishes
8 years ago

you are right ragefromthebasment. I can think of no place in all the Internet where people dislike and call out rape jokes, or even other misogynistic behavior. let alone a whole blog community set up to do such things.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

@Quackers

They’ll stop the epidemc of false castration accusations though!!!!

Bostonian
8 years ago

And of course, no men are ever raped, ever, so why would you want to refrain from telling rape jokes with the guys?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
8 years ago

They should tell a lot of Bobbiting jokes then because they are deeply concerned about reducing the incidents of castration and circumcision.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
8 years ago

Rather more to the point, there are lots of places on the internet where people don’t get called on stuff.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
8 years ago

Well, it’s well known that consequences are misandric.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

@Shadow

Hey!!! That’s a legit issue! Typical feminist…I’m going to start a blog called The False Castration Society…that’ll learn ya!

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

“False castration accusations”… would that be related to the Freudian theory that little girls believed their mothers cut their penises and testicles off, causing them to want to marry their fathers?

I would ask what the hell Freud was on, except we all know it was cocaine.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

@Quackers

And topple our matriarchy, I DON’T THINK SO!! *sends in black choppers*

@creativewritingstudent

I believe it entails women (because let’s face it, men are too honourable for that) falsely claiming that a woman or man has a castrated a cis man, even though everything’s just hanging. Naturally this results in severe traumatisation for the accused, and the befuddled non-castrated man, while the woman cackles evilly and is given a recording contract and an Oscar.

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
8 years ago

@Shadow

I think someone who convinced a court that someone else’s (very existing) testicles are not there would deserve an award for audacity and bullshitting – and then arrested for perjury once the reality of the balls has been verified at a later date.

Idylle
Idylle
8 years ago

Controlling hate speech is thought-policing? Worst Orwellian interpretation ever. I sincerely hope none of these guys are lawyers. Bleating the First Amendment is a weak defense when they’ve already been red flagged as a hate group.

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
8 years ago

If a guy thinks it’s fine to joke about rape, chances are good that he’s a sick bastard. JMO.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

Why do they want to joke about rape so badly anyway? Is it really that funny?

Look, none of these scenes contain rape jokes, and they`re hilarious.

Christine Noble
8 years ago

So, these clowns have never read the pages upon pages of literature that explain that rape culture hurts men as well and not just in the obvious way that the men that do get raped blame themselves just as much as women do?

Nezumi
Nezumi
8 years ago

It kind of bugs me when people bring up triggering survivors as THE reason people shouldn’t make rape jokes. Maybe it doesn’t trigger flashbacks or cause panic attacks, maybe it just makes survivors feel like shit. Maybe it just signals to them that you can’t be trusted to offer support when they need you. Maybe it signals to rapists that they can expect your support, that what they did wasn’t so bad, that their actions and attitudes are normal.

I don’t expect that would make much difference to MRAs who’ve more or less made up their minds to just support rapists outright. But for guys who say they don’t, remember the point of a joke is to laugh and have fun. If your joke makes people feel shitty your joke has failed. If your friends enjoy poking fun at survivors of assault, you might want to rethink some of those relationships.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

No talk about rape here either!

Anna
Anna
8 years ago

I read this male rape survivor’s comic a couple of weeks ago, I don’t know if anyone’s posted it here yet:

http://thingofthings.tumblr.com/post/23970133350/my-comic-about-rape-jokes

Anna
Anna
8 years ago

I just don’t get how trigger warnings are a form of censorship when they’re the frigging opposite: clear labels. Would these people go into the supermarket and pull all the labels off the tins because knowing what you’re eating takes the fun out of it or whatever, and if someone with an allergy ends up in a coma then it’s unfortunate and all but better than LANGUAGE CONTROL

felixBC
felixBC
8 years ago

Um, Crumbelievable, that was pretty funny, at least for this Canadian. Do you giggle when you say Regina?

felixBC
felixBC
8 years ago

Oh, wait, you weren’t being sarcastic. oops. Thanks for posting that!

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

It`s nice to know MRAs` priorities

1) Physically retaliate against abusive women

2) Laugh at rape victims

3) End misandry

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

You have the freedom of speech to make rape jokes.

I have the freedom of speech to disagree with you and think that you are behaving like a horrible person.

If enough people agree with me, then it isn’t much of a joke, now is it?

Therefore, rape jokes? Not funny. Not jokes.

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

Also, I do not have to respect the beliefs of others.

I can respect the rights of others to have their own beliefs.

But there is no law, and no rule that says that I have to ACCEPT someone’s putrid or vile belief just because THEY have it.

So no, you don’t get the right to make rape jokes and then have me go “cool bro, I respect your belief.”

I have the same right as you to say things you don’t like. Only I think that in my case, I’m right- rape jokes are in poor taste and they’re not funny.

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

I agree with that feeling, Nezumi. While Triggers are a huge and obvious reason not to do this kind of horrible ‘joke’, it certainly is not the only one. Myself, I never was the victim of any assault, and yet it really disturb me to hear such, even if only for the terrible ideas it shows the speaker to have.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

I think the worst thing about rape jokes actually isn’t the people who are hurt by hearing them, but the people who are encouraged by hearing them. Most guys aren’t rapists, but jokes about “ha ha, she’s gonna get raped” and the like send a message to rapists–what you do is socially acceptable and no big deal, other guys will totally understand why you did it.

blitzgal
8 years ago

I read this male rape survivor’s comic a couple of weeks ago, I don’t know if anyone’s posted it here yet:

http://thingofthings.tumblr.com/post/23970133350/my-comic-about-rape-jokes

I hadn’t seen that one yet; thanks for sharing it.

Xtra
Xtra
8 years ago

End separation of children from fathers by telling bad father jokes.

Why did the mra get to his visitation early.
He wanted to have enough time to slap his kids around before going to work at the coal mine.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Anna

Thanks for that! I hadn’t seen it before, and it’s really hard for me to find the stories of other male rape survivors.

Also, I tend to dislike the word trigger myself, but I thought it was common human decency that if something you say upsets a lot of people with no real pay-off, it wasn’t worth it.

So, like, if someone explains to me that something in my belief system is wrong, that might upset me, but the pay-off is that I realize I’m wrong and correct my behavior.

Rape jokes? What’s the pay-off, really?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“What’s the pay-off, really?”

…bonding over how hilarious rape is. In other words, giving your buddies implicit knowledge you’ll side with them if they rape someone…which is disgusting.

Karalora
Karalora
8 years ago

if something you say upsets a lot of people with no real pay-off, it wasn’t worth it.

I think for these guys, the fact that it upsets people is the payoff. It’s a power trip–with mere words, they can hurt people and make them afraid. But they can’t admit that’s why they do it and still maintain their pretense of nobility, so they try to paint the people they hurt as the villains, e.g. whining about “censorship.”