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BREAKING: Paul Elam of A Voice for Men is pig-biting mad at a dude who doesn’t hate Katherine Heigl

Over on A Voice for Men, noted human rights advocate Paul Elam has responded to criticism from a fellow antifeminist internet warrior in his typically logical, understated manner. Some highlights:

He’s whining, about jack shit, on behalf of a misandric cunt. …

Matt Forney just jerked off all over his bed sheets. And now it appears he is standing there like a virtual ‘tard, grinning about it and drooling.

At issue? Mr. Forney wrote a post some months back critical of the faux “offenders registry” called Register-Her, a pet project of A Voice for Men’s JohnTheOther in which female “bigots” – that is, feminists – are “registered” as “offenders” alongside female criminals. (Forney’s post originally appeared on the thankfully now-defunct blog In Mala Fide, but Elam only discovered it after Forney posted it on his own blog.)

In particular, Forney disagreed with Elam’s decision to “register” actress Katherine Heigl as a “bigot” after she made a Funny or Die PSA about spaying dogs and cats. The problem, for Elam and crew? That in the video she pretended to be a crazed testicle-hater obsessed with cutting off all balls, including those of human males. The AVFM crowd whipped themselves into a frenzy over this one, with Elam’s Number One Stooge JohnTheOther writing, in all seriousness:

Katherine Heigl’s supposedly humorous claim; that her advocacy of neutering pets is an outlet for her desire to chop human male’s balls off shouldn’t be taken out of context. The context being that she’s a creature of hollywood who lives in california – the same state which earlier this year saw Katherine Becker cut her husband’s penis off for the “offense” of wanting a divorce. …

We know it’s a joke. That’s the point. It’s both shocking, and plausibly deniable. It also wouldn’t be funny to most people if there was not an element of truth in it. Heigl’s “joke” included the word “yet”. This is an obvious nod to her awareness of increasing cultural acceptance of male-targeted violence and mutilation.

No, I have no fucking clue what on earth he means by that bit about the word “yet.” He goes on:

Male targeting violence persists and escalates because in the unconscious reptile corner of men’s minds, they think nodding along with whatever vile , violent, murderous shit the nearest vacuous barbie utters in her you-go-girl bubble of social enablement might get him approved for access to the magic vagina.

Like Elam, JohnTheOther apparently writes all his posts for AVFM with steam literally coming out of his ears.

Here’s the video in question. (Sorry, it won’t embed.) As you can see, the real butt of the joke is Heigl herself, and more generally narcissistic celebs who glom onto fashionable causes for all the wrong reasons. It’s not really a castration joke; it’s an actress making fun of her own reputation for narcissism. (And the video is also a serious attempt to raise awareness about the need to spay and neuter pets.)

Katherine Heigl, attempting to lull a dog into a false sense of security so she can remove its balls.

Forney, in the blog post that roused Elam’s incredibly easy-to-rouse fury, suggested that AVFM’s claimed outrage about Heigl’s video was both silly and a bit unconvincing:

Were you honestly offended? Did that video get you mad? It didn’t get me mad. I thought it was stupid and unfunny, but aside from that, I don’t care about it. After watching it, I just shrugged my shoulders and closed the tab.

Forney went on to suggest that any MRAs who were offended by the video were, well, basically a bunch of “phony pussies,” a virtual mirror-image of the Politically Correct:

In trying to gin up indignation over Heigl’s ball-cutting comments, Register-Her.com and the MRM are seeking to perpetuate our politically correct regime, not burn it to the ground and piss on its ashes. …

The men’s rights movement wants men to keep picking at their scabs, to wallow in self-pity for all eternity. That’s not a satisfying goal for me, or countless other men who want to rise out of the mud. Until MRAs address this issue, their movement will be stuck in  neutral, regardless of their occasional victories.

Yes, that’s right. A dude posting on In Mala Fide — which was known for its blatant misogyny and its proud racism, among other terrible things —  is the closest we’ve got to a “voice of reason” in this particular debate.

Elam, an MRA scab-picker extraordinaire, lashed out in barely coherent rage to Forney’s charges:

[T]his kind of chicken-shit nit picking by a supposed sympathizer is far more pathetic that the Heigl video could have ever hoped to be.

Why would the Heigl video hope to be pathetic? Also, how exactly can a video hope?

I write people like you off all the time. But then you have the gumption to parrot a bunch of keyboard courage about crushing your enemies? And you make fun of guys who get fucked over by the system? What a laugh. I don’t mean what you said, but you, personally.

You may be every bit as brave as your words. I doubt it, but I don’t know. What I do know is that your article is a misandric piece of shit. Based on your rhetoric, though, I would lay dollars to doughnuts you have never crushed so much as a Dixie Cup at a water cooler. Your kind of man never does.

Says the man whose entire life is devoted to bashing out angry internet screeds, and whose only known attempt at real-world organizing collapsed before it really even began.

You just shit on those out there taking the hits and doing the work, likely because you lack the conviction to stick your neck out for anything really important to anyone but yourself.

Personally, I would not talk to MRA’s about picking scabs until you quit being one.

I’m not sure if Elam is calling Forney a “scab” as a sort of random insult referring back to his mention of scabs, or if Elam thinks that Forney is a “scab” violating some imaginary MRA “sex strike” – or “cock blockade” – by not hating on the ladies every second of every day. I’m guessing it’s the latter, because Elam really is that delusional.

EDITED TO ADD: Matt Forney has responded to Elam’s little tantrum here. At the end, he says this:

And since I can’t end this post without mentioning that David Futrelle has (reluctantly) defended me on this issue, mainly because Elam’s neckbeard fans are going to brandish Futrelle’s article as proof that I’m an evil crypto-feminist racist mangina, let me just say that Futrelle is an even more pathetic bitch than Elam, and I don’t want his support.

Don’t worry, lil dude. I don’t actually support you. I simply agree with you on a couple of points: that Elam is a total drama king, and that anyone who believes (or purports to believe) that Heigl’s video is something to get ENRAGED about is a twit.

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pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

re Antz: I didn’t realise that Ghegis Khan spoke English: to make that quotation.

I wonder if it wasn’t someone attributing a desire of their to him, so they wouldn’t get called a douchenozzle.

Hershele Ostropoler
8 years ago

Cliff:

That Heigl video and that one time Sharon Osbourne was on the Talk seem to compose about 65% of all Atrocities Against Men.

Don’t forget the time all the women in Sweden rose up and committed genocide against the male race. Or whatever the hell that was.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

I think you guys are forgetting about the chronic lack of sex on demand faced by today’s men.

Hershele Ostropoler
8 years ago

Nanasha:

In general, I didn’t like the video, but I don’t think it’s the END OF TEH WORLD scenario that these MRAs are going on about.

But at least you get that this isn’t Heigl’s coded announcement of a plan to castrate actual men. Because you’re not an MRA.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

I think you guys are forgetting about the chronic lack of sex on demand faced by today’s men.

I saw listed somewhere on AVFM a bunch of grievances they had against women and one of them literally said, “Women control access to sex”. They are beyond parody at this point.

Shaenon
8 years ago

y’know, there’s nothing in the heigl video that’s even half this lurid, so it’s kind of telling that you had to add that in

Probably because the actual equivalent would be women getting hysterectomies, which is something that happens in the real world and isn’t considered especially scary. I guess it’d be disturbing if a crazed woman-hating guy ran around threatening to surgically remove people’s ovaries, though.

Can you imagine Michael Douglas , giving Catherine Zeta Jone her ovaries back in a jar to have a night out with the girls, or a list of the “cons” of ovaries , would that pass as humour.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
8 years ago

I wouldn’t compare this one with circumcision, personally. From what I hear, American attitutdes to circumcision are pretty damn bad (I’m British, it’s pretty much just a Jewish thing over here AFAIK), but it isn’t castration by any stretch of the imagination.

(Castration probably does happen- I have vague memories of hearing about it being done to defeated enemies, though the only ones I can specifically remember are implications that that might be what was done to King Harold at the Battle of Hastings, which I’d say is a bit too long ago to be campaigning against.)

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

No one is advocating or even suggesting we castrate men. MRAs should focus their energy on ending male circumcision if they’re so concerned with bodily integrity.

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

I know it’s not technically about testicles, but it is related:

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

Seeing the way MRAs talk about rape, I REALLY don`t want to hear what Elam has to say about circumcision. .

pangea
8 years ago

His radio show is fondly remembered for the comedy occasions when he soils himself on-air, implores his unlucky daughter not to take him to the nursing home, rails incoherently against effeminate Men and spout meaningless, profane gibberish that nobody can tell apart from the pre-done scripts.

He has a daughter?! Fucking scary. And sad.

pangea
8 years ago

Seeing the way MRAs talk about rape, I REALLY don`t want to hear what Elam has to say about circumcision.

Things are bad only when they happen to them.

darksidecat
8 years ago

Um, coerced sterlization of poor women, women of color, queer women, and women with disabilities has been done in the US, in fairly high numbers, until fairly recently (and you still see not uncommon claims of lack of consent for women with disabilities). The US eugenics programs, which were implimented on the state level as an official matter by state agencies (not to mention doctors who did these things outside of official agencies) were targeted primarily at women. The number of men sterilized was above zero (almost exclusively men of color and queer men), but the women by far predominate (queer women were often grouped with mentally ill women whoe were subjected as well as other disabled women, poor women, women of color, and those who were more than one of the above). Native American women on some reservations were hit particularly hard as well. Some state governments ran official eugenics programs into the 1980s.

speedlines
speedlines
8 years ago

“Women control access to sex.”

Hey, guys? You do realize that you control access to your own sex, right?

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

@darksidecat- The flipside of forced female sterilization is the fact that many women who are adamantly childfree and do not want to have children for the duration of their fertile lives are practically forbidden from getting any sort of permanent sterilization. Before a certain point in our history, women who WANTED sterilization had to get the permission of a husband, which is total bullshit (and I hear that there are some places that still need a husband to sign and acknowledge that he’s ok with it if she’s married before she can do it).

As was talked about recently on Tiger Beatdown (see here: http://tigerbeatdown.com/2012/06/04/4656/), there’s still a lot tied up in what people consider a “woman” in fertility. A lot of people consider women to be “inferior” or “less of a woman” if they are infertile, and the stigma is much more pronounced if she actually chose to get surgically sterilized.

Since this is my second and last pregnancy, I’m considering getting sterilized after this, but there’s a lot less in my way of getting sterilized if I so choose to do it simply because I *do* have children of my own. Of course, vasectomies are often much less invasive and have far fewer complications than female sterilization methods, but more men are hesitant to get them than women, even when they are finished having children.

Honestly, I think I will probably go with another Mirena IUD after this pregnancy because the localized hormones in the IUD help my PCOS hormonal issues without the negative effects that birth control pills seem to have on my body (they give me high blood pressure).

*sigh* I wish people would just be cool with respecting other people’s bodily integrity already.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Has no one give Another MRA an anatomy lesson yet?

Start with wiki if you want this more in depth, but to keep this simple, before about 9 weeks gestational age all fetuses have the same reproductive organs. From those structures will arise ovaries/testicles, clitoris/penis, and labia/scrotum — those are your matched pairs for comparison (wiki even has a chart of this).

The female equivilant of male circumcision (foreskin removal) would be removing the clitoral hood, not removal of the clitoris itself (that’d be the equivilant to penectomy, which is basically only done in cancer patients, ie to save the man’s life).

As far a neutering animals goes, female animals generally have the ovaries and uterus removed, males animals generally have the testis removed, but it varies by species, animal size, veterinarian doing the surgery, etc.

If it comes up, in humans voluntary sterilization is done by severing tubal connections, the vas deferens in men (and others with those), and the fallopian tubes in women (and others with those) — the former is a safer surgery because of anatomy, not cutting in abdominal muscles is safer than cutting into them (that’s ignoring that a vasectomy can be done under local instead of general anesthesia and general has its own set of risks).

chuckeedee — you aren’t helping any with comments like “rusted or dirty implement in a tribal jungle setting” — yes the instruments used are often not medical grade, but sometimes they are medical grade, that doesn’t change the risks associated with childbirth later on. And “tribal jungle setting”? Have a map of where FGM occurs and a map of climate zone in Africa.

(While FGM does occur outside Africa, it isn’t exactly easy to read a map of global climate zones.)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Oh, that penectomy link is NSFW, sorry about that!

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

“Women control access to sex.”

This is a bad thing, for a woman to have control over her own vagina? Men complain that women can laid whenever they want while men can’t. I really don’t give a shit if this is the case. MRAs need to get over the notion that women “owe” men sex. We aren’t property to be accessed.

A woman owns her own body. And despite what our friend Barbarosaa says, ownership of said body does not pass from father to husband. Somehow these men aren’t getting enough (or any) sex, and they think male control of vaginas is the answer. Ugh, vagina isn’t a resource to be rationed out like gasoline. It doesn’t occur to them that women are people, or maybe they just don’t care.

darksidecat
8 years ago

@Nanasha, privileged women had it better on that front too. Poor women and women of color made up far more of the deaths pre-Roe. In 1972, 64% of women who died from botched illegal abortions were women of color.

Moreover, we learned during the years before Roe v. Wade how women suffered in states where abortion was illegal. Affluent women were able to obtain safe abortions by traveling to states where they were legal, while poor, rural and young women a disproportionate number of them women of color were left to dangerous, backalley abortions or forced childbirth. Such discriminatory conditions are unacceptable.

http://www.aclufl.org/take_action/download_resources/info_papers/15.cfm

Marginalized women got hit harder on both the forced birth and coercive sterilization fronts.

Yeah, voluntary sterilization isn’t the same ballpark as coerced, but the history of coerced sterilization and the history of forced birth often both disproportionately affected marginalized women.

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

Of course, vasectomies are often much less invasive and have far fewer complications than female sterilization methods, but more men are hesitant to get them than women, even when they are finished having children.

I had a vasectomy because my wife was having serious difficulty finding a reliable contraceptive that didn’t have unwanted hormonal side-effects. It wasn’t a tough decision – as she pointed out, she’d undergone significantly invasive surgery in order to give birth to one of our kids, and getting her sterilized would involve yet more, whereas a vasectomy is a far more straightforward operation.

And aside from the few days I spent recovering, it genuinely made no difference at all to my sex drive either physically or mentally – but I think this is the psychological block that many men have: although it’s not castration in any meaningful sense of the term, there’s a widespread if wholly erroneous assumption that it must be “emasculating” in some way. Even though once you’re certain that you don’t want any more kids the benefits massively outweigh the drawbacks (which essentially amount to a brief period of post-surgery discomfort).

Indeed, I’m surprised vasectomies aren’t more fashionable amongst MRAs, given their irrationally pathological fear of spermjacking and other nefarious female-led activities.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

darksidecat — from what I know of the issues women face getting voluntarily sterilized I would guess that privileged women have an advantage there too — they can seek other doctors more easily if told no by one. Plus things like the time off work to heal and the cost of voluntary procedures and the like. It’s still a different ballpark (or an entirely different game) but I’d doubt it’s really equally hard across all women.

The part about having to be sure you really want to be sterilized applies to men as well, the FWB intends to get himself a vasectomy for his 30th birthday — once he’s old enough medicine won’t argue that he can’t possibly be sure he doesn’t want kids — it’s probably not as hard for men to get sterilized voluntarily as for women to, but it’s not exactly a matter of just asking for it either.

Also, a citation regarding forced sterilization of Native American women — “Native Americans accused the Indian Health Service of sterilizing at least 25 percent of Native American women who were between the ages of fifteen and forty-four during the 1970s.”

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

The part about having to be sure you really want to be sterilized applies to men as well, the FWB intends to get himself a vasectomy for his 30th birthday — once he’s old enough medicine won’t argue that he can’t possibly be sure he doesn’t want kids — it’s probably not as hard for men to get sterilized voluntarily as for women to, but it’s not exactly a matter of just asking for it either.

I had a compulsory counseling session, though as a fortysomething father of two it was obviously easier to convince the doctor that I was serious than it would have been if I’d been twenty years younger and childless.

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

My husband says that he’d like to get a vasectomy, but sterilization procedures can sometimes only be partially covered (or not covered at all) by insurance, so we’d still have to figure out the costs involved. Whereas my Mirena IUD was covered 100% by my insurance last time and I only had to pay a copay for the office visit to have it installed. The only annoying thing is that the IUD strings are like FUCKING FISHING LINE and can “poke” the guy during sex. I had my strings cut REALLY short so I ended up having to get a local anesthetic when I wanted the IUD removed so that we could try to conceive baby #2 because the strings were so far up there that the doctor couldn’t find them easily (although I checked them all the time by just bearing down and poking my finger up my cervix area which, while uncomfortable, was not impossible).

*grumble grumble* and as for MRAs complaining about not having sex, I’m currently stuck not having been able to have sex for what feels like FOREVER. My husband does not seem to want to initiate sex (probably because he’s on graveyard shift and he’s like a zombie all the time), and when I initiate sex, it just feels like he’s pushing himself into it for me and I don’t like that. So I’m all bloaty and pregnant and feel utterly ugly, and even though my husband is still affectionate and huggy and kissy and stuff, I’d really like to just get down and have some good ol’ fashioned consensual fucking. But since I realize what he’s going through, I’m not going to push him, and as far as I’m concerned, there’s this thing called “masturbation” that is perfectly fun to do in the meanwhile.

Seriously, you’d think these guys were afraid to touch their own cocks, yet they want everyone else to worship them.

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

“Seriously, you’d think these guys were afraid to touch their own cocks, yet they want everyone else to worship them.”

Yep. As someone else here said already, MRAs view their inability to get laid as discrimination, bigotry, or misandry. Somehow, women controlling their own sexuality is unfair to them, therefore it must be stopped. I’ve seen a lot of MRAs reflect on this idea. They would like women to be like library books, you can take one home, use her as you wish, then return her when you’re done. It’s so despicable.

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

And Paul Elam said “most MRAs are a blowjob away from leaving the movement” or something, it’s not an exact quote. I think most MRAs are motivated by a lack of sex. Not that there is anything wrong with celibacy, but these guysdon’t want to be. And instead of looking in a mirror to wonder why they aren’t appealing to women (and don’t tell me it’s because they’re fat or ugly or whatever–there are ways to overcome physical appearance). But they would rather just blame all women for being stuck up bitches. It’s so transparently a case of sour grapes, projection, etc. It amazes me how unaware some people can be.

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

And yes, I have dated “ugly” men. But the thing is, when a man has a great sense of humor, is highly intelligent, and treats me well, he magically becomes better looking in my eyes.

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

@ragefromthebasement- These are the guys who watch Barney Stinson from “How I Met Your Mother” and think that he’s an actual real person who they should actually, really model all their behavior towards women upon.

When I hear someone saying, “Boo Hoo, I act like a total fucking asshat and no one wants to fuck me” as though it’s as bad as starving orphans being forced to do hard labor in third world countries, I just want to respond as follows:

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

You have to be really extraordinarily physically repulsive to be able to use that as a genuinely valid excuse for not getting a date. Remember MRAL’s conviction that his average height and lazy eye were the only things preventing him from being a wow with the laydeez?

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

@ragefromthebasement- I think the whole “ugly” thing is totally subjective. However, I do also think that many men (primarily heterosexual men who are obsessed with status) are so obsessed with dating someone who falls into a narrow definition of physical “attractiveness” by cultural standards, that it doesn’t matter if they’re ACTUALLY attracted to someone with flaws like wrinkles or flab, because they’re so obsessed with grasping onto that status marker of Having the Hot Arm Candy that they ignore other things that might actually be equally important when their friends go home and they’re alone with that person (such as common interests, friendship, sexual chemistry, etc).

For example, there are men who fall into the “stereotypically attractive” appearance factor on the internet who, when anonymous, are obsessed with BBW ladies- but many of them completely and utterly terrified to act upon it in real life because of what it would do to their privilege and perceptions by others (well, most of them don’t say it like that, but the fear is real even if they don’t acknowledge that losing privilege is actually a Thing).

As far as heterosexual women are concerned, they’re a little luckier because their lack of privilege generally means that unless they’re with someone who is basically a leech, his qualities such as hard working/cooperative nature/kindness are generally valued more than his looks because men are considered people. Therefore, she has more ability to choose from a wide swath of people because what is “attractive” is very individualized since men are Individuals. Meanwhile, women are simply considered Interchangeable Parts by the wide majority of MRAs and unfortunately this mindset bleeds into the popular social consciousness and really taints how even non MRA heterosexual males behave (especially when they’re young).

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

“…his qualities such as hard working/cooperative nature/kindness are generally valued more than his looks because men are considered people.”

This. Exactly. All that’s expected of women is that they are hot, and nice. But hot is first.

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

I think the whole “ugly” thing is totally subjective. However, I do also think that many men (primarily heterosexual men who are obsessed with status) are so obsessed with dating someone who falls into a narrow definition of physical “attractiveness” by cultural standards, that it doesn’t matter if they’re ACTUALLY attracted to someone with flaws like wrinkles or flab, because they’re so obsessed with grasping onto that status marker of Having the Hot Arm Candy that they ignore other things that might actually be equally important when their friends go home and they’re alone with that person (such as common interests, friendship, sexual chemistry, etc).

Indeed – it’s prioritizing other people’s opinions over the only two that actually matter: yours and your partner’s. I couldn’t care less whether other people think that my wife is hot – in fact, for various reasons, it’s more convenient if they don’t.

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

“Remember MRAL’s conviction that his average height and lazy eye were the only things preventing him from being a wow with the laydeez?”

I actually like men who are on the shorter side. Being tall is overrated in my opinion.

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

Must have been the lazy eye, then. It certainly couldn’t be personality-related.

nwoslave
8 years ago

Why is it that whatever happens to fall from a woman’s mouth, in this case cutting off a mans balls, is considered biting satire? Yet those same words regendered coming from a man would be considered sexual harrassment? Lawyers would be crawling out of the woodwork to sue the pants off the guy.

Jessay (@jessay)
8 years ago

One of my friends is 18 years old and in high school. She mentioned today that the guys around her tell her they want to rape her, talk about putting roofies in her drink if she came to one of their parties, and how basically all that’s stopping them from raping her is that they have girlfriends. They claim these are jokes.

Until men stop making jokes like this, I’m afraid I can’t rally against this video that is very obviously not serious. Sorry MRAs. Tell the rest of the male population that threatening a woman with rape is not a fucking joke. Thanks.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
8 years ago

Meanwhile, women are simply considered Interchangeable Parts by the wide majority of MRAs and unfortunately this mindset bleeds into the popular social consciousness

Really think it’s likely to go the other way- that idea being a part of social consciousness for whatever reason is in part, I think, where the MRA/PUA type thing came from.

lauralot89
8 years ago

Wetherby, no! You’ve said his name! Now that makes it okay for him to come over here and yell at us despite being banned!

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
8 years ago

BTW, spaying and neutering our pets save countless lives so bravo to Katherine Heigl for raising awareness of this issue.

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

Wetherby, no! You’ve said his name! Now that makes it okay for him to come over here and yell at us despite being banned!

Is that why my post was moderated? If so, it’s all David’s fault for letting it through.

Hershele Ostropoler
8 years ago

rage:

“Women control access to sex.”

This is a bad thing, for a woman to have control over her own vagina?

I suspect what Voice means is that women band together to collectively control “access” to all the sex. Voice has no great love for female bodily autonomy on an individual level either, but what is mean here is less “a woman can say ‘no'” and more “all women will say ‘no’ unless the man gets a dispensation from the Grand Council of Women by being alpha rich Brad Pitt thugboy blather blather blather.”

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
8 years ago

Indeed, I’m surprised vasectomies aren’t more fashionable amongst MRAs, given their irrationally pathological fear of spermjacking and other nefarious female-led activities.

Anecdata: I dated a guy-who-wound-up-an-MRA once, who got a vasectomy about two weeks into the relationship (it was something he’d wanted for a long time and I didn’t give a crap because it wasn’t my body). He was thrilled. And his sex drive seemed to go through the roof after that – in part, I’m sure, because the anxiety of accidentally impregnating anyone ever had disappeared.

Also,

The men’s rights movement wants men to keep picking at their scabs, to wallow in self-pity for all eternity.

I feel like this should be the definition of MGTOW. They remind me of little kids who pitch a fit and scream, “I’m going to kill myself and then run away from home!” They want their audience to gasp and clutch their pearls and cry, “no, don’t do that, I’ll give you anything you want!”, but alas – their audience merely laughs and says “that’s nice, dear.”

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

And his sex drive seemed to go through the roof after that – in part, I’m sure, because the anxiety of accidentally impregnating anyone ever had disappeared.

Yes, I can easily see how that might be a significant factor.

Mandolin
8 years ago

“And his sex drive seemed to go through the roof after that – in part, I’m sure, because the anxiety of accidentally impregnating anyone ever had disappeared.”

And cheers to that. That seems like an excellent reason to have lots of sex. Fear of accidental pregnancy sucks.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“I suspect what Voice means is that women band together to collectively control “access” to all the sex.” — probably, my FWB suggested women should stage Lysistrata protests and refuse to have sex until the legal assault on women’s rights stops, told him he doesn’t much have to worry about that because women already are with assholes and he’s not an asshole. Yes MRAs, that’s right, there’s at least one man who specifically thinks you don’t deserve sex for acting the way you do and would be okay using his hands if women wanted to go celibate to fight for women’s rights.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“They remind me of little kids who pitch a fit and scream, “I’m going to kill myself and then run away from home!” They want their audience to gasp and clutch their pearls and cry, “no, don’t do that, I’ll give you anything you want!”, but alas – their audience merely laughs and says “that’s nice, dear.””

Your analogy, I love it. Go on MGTOW, hold your breath until you pass out, your lips will open when that happens if you manage to last that long (this is TRUFAX! you cannot kill yourself simply by refusing to breath, you can only make yourself pass out)

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

One of the reasons I feel very fortunate, is that me and my husband have absolutely no fears of pregnancy or STIs whatsoever. It takes a lot of anxiety off!

And yeah, there’s a map floating around somewhere noting which countries REQUIRE trans people be sterilized to be legally recognized as their gender. So yeah, MRAs, fuck off. Those are men actually GETTING sterilized.

lauralot89
8 years ago

Lawyers would be crawling out of the woodwork to sue the pants off the guy.

Thrill as NWO cannot find any examples of such an occurrence to support his argument!

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

Sweden still require trans people to be sterilized in order to be legally recognized as their gender. It’s an old law that hasn’t been changed since the seventies, when trans people first got the right to government-sponsered sex-correction surgery (I’m not quite sure if “sex-correction” is the right term in English… please correct me if I’m wrong). Back then the law was, overall, quite progressive, despite demanding sterilization. Now it’s an ugly dinosaur of a law.
Hopefully though the law will change now as the KD (christian-democratic party, conservatives) have finally changed their mind on the matter. For years Sweden has been ruled by a coalition of right-wing parties of which KD is a part. Basically, KD was the only party in the group who still wanted forced sterilization for trans people, and the others went along with it and let them have their way on this point in exchange for having their support in other issues. But a month or so ago the leaders of KD wrote an article in our biggest morning paper saying they’d come to the conclusion, after thinking long and hard about the matter, that since everybody’s equal according to Christian ethics trans people shouldn’t be forced to get sterilized.
SO hopefully the law will be changed now.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

NWO, do you understand that funny or die is, by definition, a humor site? In other words all people would do if men did the reverse is vote for it to die (as in “not funny” as in the equiv if a downvote on reddit) — and maybe complain about it, calling it, as the first quotee did “stupid and unfunny” — the part where Elam insists that’s misandric and “chicken-shit nit picking by a supposed sympathizer” wouldn’t happen (or if it did only on the sort of sites that most feminists try to ignore already anyways). This does assume the actual reverse, as in politely done without attacking women, just their ovaries…except you can’t see ovaries, so the “disgusting to look at” part would fail and it really would be less funny.

Certainly though no one is getting sued over posting content to funny or die, except maybe DMCA violations, and copyright is not on topic here. And it’s satire because it is actually satire (tautological, I know, but NWO won’t listen anyways) — human men can control both their impulses and birth control, it’s shaming people into spaying and neutering, ergo satire — it’s funny-ish because clearly no one is actually suggesting (cis) human men be castrated against their will.

LBT — a quick search turns up this European map and these charts — the first one seems a rather inclusive list.