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BREAKING: Paul Elam of A Voice for Men is pig-biting mad at a dude who doesn’t hate Katherine Heigl

Over on A Voice for Men, noted human rights advocate Paul Elam has responded to criticism from a fellow antifeminist internet warrior in his typically logical, understated manner. Some highlights:

He’s whining, about jack shit, on behalf of a misandric cunt. …

Matt Forney just jerked off all over his bed sheets. And now it appears he is standing there like a virtual ‘tard, grinning about it and drooling.

At issue? Mr. Forney wrote a post some months back critical of the faux “offenders registry” called Register-Her, a pet project of A Voice for Men’s JohnTheOther in which female “bigots” – that is, feminists – are “registered” as “offenders” alongside female criminals. (Forney’s post originally appeared on the thankfully now-defunct blog In Mala Fide, but Elam only discovered it after Forney posted it on his own blog.)

In particular, Forney disagreed with Elam’s decision to “register” actress Katherine Heigl as a “bigot” after she made a Funny or Die PSA about spaying dogs and cats. The problem, for Elam and crew? That in the video she pretended to be a crazed testicle-hater obsessed with cutting off all balls, including those of human males. The AVFM crowd whipped themselves into a frenzy over this one, with Elam’s Number One Stooge JohnTheOther writing, in all seriousness:

Katherine Heigl’s supposedly humorous claim; that her advocacy of neutering pets is an outlet for her desire to chop human male’s balls off shouldn’t be taken out of context. The context being that she’s a creature of hollywood who lives in california – the same state which earlier this year saw Katherine Becker cut her husband’s penis off for the “offense” of wanting a divorce. …

We know it’s a joke. That’s the point. It’s both shocking, and plausibly deniable. It also wouldn’t be funny to most people if there was not an element of truth in it. Heigl’s “joke” included the word “yet”. This is an obvious nod to her awareness of increasing cultural acceptance of male-targeted violence and mutilation.

No, I have no fucking clue what on earth he means by that bit about the word “yet.” He goes on:

Male targeting violence persists and escalates because in the unconscious reptile corner of men’s minds, they think nodding along with whatever vile , violent, murderous shit the nearest vacuous barbie utters in her you-go-girl bubble of social enablement might get him approved for access to the magic vagina.

Like Elam, JohnTheOther apparently writes all his posts for AVFM with steam literally coming out of his ears.

Here’s the video in question. (Sorry, it won’t embed.) As you can see, the real butt of the joke is Heigl herself, and more generally narcissistic celebs who glom onto fashionable causes for all the wrong reasons. It’s not really a castration joke; it’s an actress making fun of her own reputation for narcissism. (And the video is also a serious attempt to raise awareness about the need to spay and neuter pets.)

Katherine Heigl, attempting to lull a dog into a false sense of security so she can remove its balls.

Forney, in the blog post that roused Elam’s incredibly easy-to-rouse fury, suggested that AVFM’s claimed outrage about Heigl’s video was both silly and a bit unconvincing:

Were you honestly offended? Did that video get you mad? It didn’t get me mad. I thought it was stupid and unfunny, but aside from that, I don’t care about it. After watching it, I just shrugged my shoulders and closed the tab.

Forney went on to suggest that any MRAs who were offended by the video were, well, basically a bunch of “phony pussies,” a virtual mirror-image of the Politically Correct:

In trying to gin up indignation over Heigl’s ball-cutting comments, Register-Her.com and the MRM are seeking to perpetuate our politically correct regime, not burn it to the ground and piss on its ashes. …

The men’s rights movement wants men to keep picking at their scabs, to wallow in self-pity for all eternity. That’s not a satisfying goal for me, or countless other men who want to rise out of the mud. Until MRAs address this issue, their movement will be stuck in  neutral, regardless of their occasional victories.

Yes, that’s right. A dude posting on In Mala Fide — which was known for its blatant misogyny and its proud racism, among other terrible things —  is the closest we’ve got to a “voice of reason” in this particular debate.

Elam, an MRA scab-picker extraordinaire, lashed out in barely coherent rage to Forney’s charges:

[T]his kind of chicken-shit nit picking by a supposed sympathizer is far more pathetic that the Heigl video could have ever hoped to be.

Why would the Heigl video hope to be pathetic? Also, how exactly can a video hope?

I write people like you off all the time. But then you have the gumption to parrot a bunch of keyboard courage about crushing your enemies? And you make fun of guys who get fucked over by the system? What a laugh. I don’t mean what you said, but you, personally.

You may be every bit as brave as your words. I doubt it, but I don’t know. What I do know is that your article is a misandric piece of shit. Based on your rhetoric, though, I would lay dollars to doughnuts you have never crushed so much as a Dixie Cup at a water cooler. Your kind of man never does.

Says the man whose entire life is devoted to bashing out angry internet screeds, and whose only known attempt at real-world organizing collapsed before it really even began.

You just shit on those out there taking the hits and doing the work, likely because you lack the conviction to stick your neck out for anything really important to anyone but yourself.

Personally, I would not talk to MRA’s about picking scabs until you quit being one.

I’m not sure if Elam is calling Forney a “scab” as a sort of random insult referring back to his mention of scabs, or if Elam thinks that Forney is a “scab” violating some imaginary MRA “sex strike” – or “cock blockade” – by not hating on the ladies every second of every day. I’m guessing it’s the latter, because Elam really is that delusional.

EDITED TO ADD: Matt Forney has responded to Elam’s little tantrum here. At the end, he says this:

And since I can’t end this post without mentioning that David Futrelle has (reluctantly) defended me on this issue, mainly because Elam’s neckbeard fans are going to brandish Futrelle’s article as proof that I’m an evil crypto-feminist racist mangina, let me just say that Futrelle is an even more pathetic bitch than Elam, and I don’t want his support.

Don’t worry, lil dude. I don’t actually support you. I simply agree with you on a couple of points: that Elam is a total drama king, and that anyone who believes (or purports to believe) that Heigl’s video is something to get ENRAGED about is a twit.

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Greg Canning
8 years ago

The link to human castration leaves little to the imagination when Katherine hands her husbands testicles in a jar back to him so he can be “allowed” to have a night out with the boys ( twice in one week even) . Can you imagine Michael Douglas , giving Catherine Zeta Jone her ovaries back in a jar to have a night out with the girls, or a list of the “cons” of ovaries , would that pass as humour. You have excelled in idealogical blindness this time manboobz!

Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Holy shit, you know what else happened in California? The Manson family’s murders! Clearly Heigl is attempting to start a race war by the cutting off of balls. It’s a prelude to invasion.

Helter Skelter!!!1

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

It’s always fascinating when they fight. “You sound like our enemies! You know, those intolerable people who try not to perpetuate injustice with their actions and speech! Gross!” “Oh yeah, well you don’t hate women enough!” “Violent rhetoric!!” “Even more violent rhetoric!!1!”

Simmer down, fellas.

Dan The Animal Welfare Man
Dan The Animal Welfare Man
8 years ago

For the record it is not a fashionable cause for Heigl. She has an animal welfare charity founded in the name of her late brother. 6 to 7 million animals are killed each year in US shelters which is not only morally reprehensible but makes no economic sense either because tax payers foot the bill to care for the animals, feed them, and ultimately euthanize them. There are better ways – in particular spay/neuter which reduces the number of animals being abandoned in shelters. Her clever PSA which got a lot of attention – some of it from lunatics like the people in your article was for spay and neuter but I am guessing “I Hate Balls and Ovaries” probably wants as catchy and the visuals dont really work. Have you ever seen an ovary? Anyway, those quoting misandry are just morons to be honest with nothing better to do.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Does Elam remind any one else of Rumplestiltskin? He’s asking his followers for gold and hopping with rage.

Another MRA :)
Another MRA :)
8 years ago

In these cases lets reverse the video “I’m seen as a promoter of spaying cats, and some people say that this is because I must love cats but no, I hate vaginas and ovaries, you see female genital mutilation is illegal but spaying cats is legal so until I can chop off a woman’s clit I’ll satisfy myself with ripping out ovaries and the uterus of cats”

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

WTF, Another MRA? Sense, do you make it?

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

The difference being, Another MRA, that FGM is a thing that happens in the real world. Often. Castration is not. Also that doesn’t make any sense because FGM != removing ovaries or uteri. (Correct plural? Blah.) Also, why cats? Because cats R for ladiez and dogs R for doodz?

valerienorth
valerienorth
8 years ago

Elam can fucking talk. He offers money to people to find the home address of women he doesn’t like but can’t lift a finger to build a DV shelter for men.

Christine Noble
8 years ago

Wow, ummmmm… they know that “mala” is not Latin for “male” or “men” right? I don’t even think it’s a word, though if it is, I’m pretty sure “sickness” would be the closest translation.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

Yes, refer to women you dislike as cunts. Are they even trying to hide the misogyny anymore?

speedlines
speedlines
8 years ago

Dammit, just a few minutes ago I had decided I really need to spend less time on the internet and more time doing important things, and then something like this happens and reminds me how much I need the funneh.

Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

In case you thought you were hallucinating: yes, MRAs are indeed here to teach us about “idealogical” blinders.

Raoul
Raoul
8 years ago

Elam is modeling the approved form of interaction for manospherics: the man who has the floor is the only man and must rank on anyone and everyone. Ladies first of course – always – but it’s an excellent show of strength and loyalty to the cause to rat out a fellowmale.

Greg Canning
8 years ago

Yes David, I guess humour, as in beauty or art or music, is in the eye or ear of the beholder.

Personally find the Heigl advertisement devoid of anything that could be construed as humour, perhaps that has something to do with my not being an American and a general distase for much of sitcom type trash produced in your country. The add never appeared on Australian TV so I have not been able to judge a response to it here.

Do you support the critiques of advertising here – http://radfemimages.wordpress.com/ David ?

Ithiliana
8 years ago

Good. Grief.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

There’s a difference between not finding a particular thing funny, and recognizing that it is in fact intended as humor. People get that, right? I don’t find most romantic comedies particularly funny, but I’m still aware that they are in fact comedies.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

“But then you have the gumption to parrot a bunch of keyboard courage about crushing your enemies?”

too lazy for caps or block quotes, Elam projects again.

Greg Canning
8 years ago

It’s only the recent posts that have become transphobic, (following Radfem 2012 conference being denied use of Conway Hall) , the early work on the blog takes everyday advertising examined from a feminist perspective see the list at http://radfemimages.wordpress.com/the-gears/ and look at their early posts if interested.

” Not all feminists are radical feminists” and indeed Not all MRA are fringe lunatics either David.

An advertising campaign that recently aired in australia was removed after much negative public response. The makers of paracetamol ( Panadol) created “WAMF” “women against man flu” to help sell their product. https://www.facebook.com/PanadolColdandFlu

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

I clicked Greg’s link and was treated to a bunch of transphobia and shaming women for making decisions about their own bodies, and then I had a sad. You’d think I would know better, yes?

Jayem Griffin
8 years ago

And yet they still think it’s wrong to say “hey, maybe you shouldn’t tell rape jokes to people who were raped, because that’s a really common thing and you could possibly do a lot of harm to them!” But over-the-top parodies about castration (which, as Viscaria pointed out, is absurdly rare) are OFF LIMITS!

Huh. Interesting.

red_locker
8 years ago

Isn’t it great when MRAs fight amongst themselves?

libfemxxx
libfemxxx
8 years ago

Paul Elam is a cranky old man who is always being a smart-ass and generally is a bitter cranky old man who no one would hang out with if he did not pwn everyone on Youtube. His radio show is fondly remembered for the comedy occasions when he soils himself on-air, implores his unlucky daughter not to take him to the nursing home, rails incoherently against effeminate Men and spout meaningless, profane gibberish that nobody can tell apart from the pre-done scripts.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Oh look, it’s our angry little friend, Antz, in the comments:

“The problem is that I don’t want to be a victim. I want to be a victor. I want to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentations of their women. I want to look them in the eye and dare them to take me on.”

This is loosely quoted from epistode 1 of “Conan the Barbarian” who in turn loosely quotes from Ghenghis Khan. Here is the original quote by the mongol warlord (known also as the world’s champion contributor of semen to the largest number of vaginal vaults):

“The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.”

I think he wanted to make that correction because the original quote wasn’t rapey enough for Antz. And so that he could use the phrase vaginal vaults.

chuckeedee
chuckeedee
8 years ago

The difference being, Another MRA, that FGM is a thing that happens in the real world. Often.

FGM, overwhelmingly perpetrated by women on young girls, happens in the real world in cultures that feminists usually have nothing to do with. Circumcision on males, on the other hand, happens more routinely in the real world in cultures in which feminists are more likely to be directly involved. It would be helpful if feminists concerned themselves with the culture in which they lived rather than meddling in cultures of which they know nothing about. And I hope that “!=” is an attempt at shorthand for “not equal to”, because FGM relates to the external genitalia (clitoris and labia), not ovaries or uterus. Just a minor point, I know… but one that can have significant consequences, as the removal of ovaries or uteri would have rather disastrous consequences when conducted with a rusted or dirty implement in a tribal jungle setting. Just sayin’ 🙂

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

Sounds like there’s trouble in paradise.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3piixr/

Manjaw the Mighty
Manjaw the Mighty
8 years ago

“Radfems” make me almost ashamed to call myself an Amazon sometimes, because they have co-opted the image of the Amazon and her labrys as symbols of essentialist and often hateful politics that are curiously neither feminist nor particularly radical.

Wow, ummmmm… they know that “mala” is not Latin for “male” or “men” right? I don’t even think it’s a word, though if it is, I’m pretty sure “sickness” would be the closest translation.

I think they meant for it to be like the opposite of bona fide. So the blog title means “Bad Faith,” though I’m not sure why.

Sharculese
8 years ago

Personally find the Heigl advertisement devoid of anything that could be construed as humour, perhaps that has something to do with my not being an American and a general distase for much of sitcom type trash produced in your country. The add never appeared on Australian TV so I have not been able to judge a response to it here.

wait, you haven’t even seen the ad in question and youre still trying to tell us what it is and isnt?

maybe the problem here is that your another pretentious internet dweeb trying to cover up his lack of substance by going all marshall mcluhan on a youtube clip.

Sharculese
8 years ago

here’s a tip misogynist- youre the ones who decided it was the height of comedy to call assertive women ‘ballbusters’ and what not. you don’t get to scream not fair when people turn your own insults back on you.

Sharculese
8 years ago

*misogynists

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

That Heigl video and that one time Sharon Osbourne was on the Talk seem to compose about 65% of all Atrocities Against Men.

Get some new material, dudes.

Manjaw the Mighty
Manjaw the Mighty
8 years ago

I mean, don’t get me wrong, I am sworn to crush the patriarchy and subdue the wretched male horde. But that doesn’t require transphobia.

Sharculese
8 years ago

the main lesson here is never disagree with paul-e for any reason or face the brunt of his righteous hissy fit (delivered exclusively where he has total control of the conversation). that is a true mark of leadership.

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

“Here is the original quote by the mongol warlord (known also as the world’s champion contributor of semen to the largest number of vaginal vaults):”

Holy fuck Antz what the hell is wrong with you?

I hope that as long as you live your semen sees nothing but your crusty old sheets and the back of your hand.

libfemxxx
libfemxxx
8 years ago
Sharculese
8 years ago

In these cases lets reverse the video “I’m seen as a promoter of spaying cats, and some people say that this is because I must love cats but no, I hate vaginas and ovaries, you see female genital mutilation is illegal but spaying cats is legal so until I can chop off a woman’s clit I’ll satisfy myself with ripping out ovaries and the uterus of cats”

y’know, there’s nothing in the heigl video that’s even half this lurid, so it’s kind of telling that you had to add that in

Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

To be fair to Antsy, vaginal vaults is a pretty nice consonance. He’s just such a poetic soul he had to find somewhere to use it, and the context just doesn’t matter to him.

This whole thing has me imagining the Incredible Hulk as Paul Elam. Watch as he turns green, goes to the watercooler, and silently smashes each and every Dixie cup one by one.

http://m.quickmeme.com/meme/3pnxi7/

Sharculese
8 years ago

also, you make want to brush up on the differences between the testicles and the clitoris

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
8 years ago

@ Cliff: “That Heigl video and that one time Sharon Osbourne was on the Talk seem to compose about 65% of all Atrocities Against Men.”

Yep – and the Titanic is most of the rest.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

I can’t help but notice Paul takes the chance in the article to explain to his audience how important he is:

I should start by saying that it’s pretty natural that someone in my position gets their share of criticism. I make a lot of calculated decisions that get publicly vetted.

GUYS I’M KIND OF A BIG DEAL YOU GUYS.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

Ooh ooh I missed some!

AVfM has launched a website that has drawn significant, worldwide attention. We have also seen the upstart of three internet radio shows, with a fourth on the way. And then there is Register-her, which has literally sent shock waves through the online feminist community and beyond. It now serves as one of the opposition’s focal points of attack. That has had the added benefit of forcing feminists to acknowledge significant men’s issues in public venues.

NO SERIOUSLY I’M PRETTY FAMOUS.

Sharculese
8 years ago

THREE INTERNET RADIO SHOWS!

I make a lot of calculated decisions that get publicly vetted.

that’s what david’s been doing?

cloudiah
8 years ago

GUYS SERIOUSLY I’M MAKING ORZO, THIS IS IMPORTANT GUYS!!!!1!!1!

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

I think that my main problem is the whole video in general is that it’s supposed to be about SPAYING AND NEUTERING, yet it only focuses on the neutering aspect.

Spaying female animals is incredibly important- puppy mills force female dogs to breed and breed until their uteruses are practically prolapsed. Many female cats allowed outside while not spayed can get pregnant even as kittens.

Seriously, the most important thing a person can do for their pets (female or male) is to sterilize them. They live longer, happier lives. They are less susceptible to cancers too.

I don’t understand why people don’t seem to understand that the their own “manliness” isn’t connected to their animals. They even have a website to help male dogs that have been neutered to feel “better” about it (er, I mean the owners): http://www.neuticles.com/

The joke isn’t really that funny when it goes further into the whole “oh, cut off men’s balls” thing (and the end part is really not funny because it plays into the sexist trope of women holding onto men’s balls when they’re in a relationship, and generally all of the sexist stuff that implies).

In the end, the video is tasteless, but is it any more tasteless to similarly sexist videos in which women are portrayed as stupid, slutty, or golddiggers?

In general, I didn’t like the video, but I don’t think it’s the END OF TEH WORLD scenario that these MRAs are going on about.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Oh sorry, I thought we were just talking about the important things we’re doing. My bad. Here’s a relevant meme: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pnxvb/

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Christine Noble: Wow, ummmmm… they know that “mala” is not Latin for “male” or “men” right? I don’t even think it’s a word, though if it is, I’m pretty sure “sickness” would be the closest translation.

It’s latin. It means “bad”, it’s the root word for “malice” and related to “malus” because of how bitter/acidic apples were in the Classical age; it’s the root for, “malic acid” and has connotations of “caustic”.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Greg ” Not all feminists are radical feminists” and indeed Not all MRA are fringe lunatics either David.

Ok, put your money where your mouth is.

Link to some of those non, “fringe lunatics”.

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