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Does Manosphere Blogger Vox Day Really Support the Murder and Mutilation of Women?

Most women, it is fair to say, don’t want to be deprived of education; they don’t want to be considered little more than baby-making machines; and they don’t want “independent” women to be maimed or murdered.

But according to the influential manosphere blogger Vox Day, women who object to any of this just don’t know what’s good for them. In one of the most repellant manosphere rants I’ve run across yet, Vox attempts to rebut PZ Myers’ critiques of evolutionary psychology with a series of bizarre and hateful assertions about women, offering his own “scientific” rationales for keeping women down. Is this all somehow satire on his part? He certainly seems sincere.

TRIGGER WARNING for all that follows; Vox explicitly defends the maiming and murder of women.

Vox starts out by arguing that depriving women of education makes solid evolutionary sense:

[E]ducating women is strongly correlated with reducing their disposition and ability to reproduce themselves. Educating them tends to make them evolutionary dead ends. … 40% of German women with college degrees are childless. Does PZ seriously wish to claim that not reproducing is intrinsically beneficial to women?

Instead of being educated, Vox goes on to argue, girls should be married off young so they can start popping out babies:

[R]aising girls with the expectation that their purpose in life is to bear children allows them to pursue marriage at the age of their peak fertility, increase the wage rates of their prospective marital partners, and live in stable, low-crime, homogenous societies that are not demographically dying. It also grants them privileged status, as they alone are able to ensure the continued survival of the society and the species alike. Women are not needed in any profession or occupation except that of child-bearer and child-rearer, and even in the case of the latter, they are only superior, they are not absolutely required.

Next, he defends the practice of throwing acid in the face of “independent” women:

[F]emale independence is strongly correlated with a whole host of social ills. Using the utilitarian metric favored by most atheists, a few acid-burned faces is a small price to pay for lasting marriages, stable families, legitimate children, low levels of debt, strong currencies, affordable housing, homogenous populations, low levels of crime, and demographic stability. If PZ has turned against utilitarianism or the concept of the collective welfare trumping the interests of the individual, I should be fascinated to hear it.

He moves on to honor killings, arguing that they too are good for women, because

female promiscuity and divorce are strongly correlated with a whole host of social ills, from low birth and marriage rates to high levels of illegitimacy.

He offers a similar rationale for female genital mutilation, before launching into this bizarre racist attack on abortion rights:

[F]ar more women are aborted than die as a result of their pregnancies going awry. The very idea that letting a few women die is worse than killing literally millions of unborn women shows that PZ not only isn’t thinking like a scientist, he’s quite clearly not thinking rationally at all. If PZ is going to be intellectually consistent here, then he should be quite willing to support the abortion of all black fetuses, since blacks disproportionately commit murder and 17x more people could be saved by aborting black fetuses than permitting the use of abortion to save the life of a mother. 466 American women die in pregnancy every year whereas 8,012 people died at the hands of black murderers in 2010.

Vox wants “girls” – presumably teenagers — to be married off young and start popping out babies. Yet in his mind female fetuses are “unborn women.”

Despite Vox Day’s repellent ideas about women – and his proud racism – he’s an influential figure in the manosphere, mentioned approvingly and regularly cited by others who present themselves as more moderate voices. It may not be a shock that the reactionary antifeminist blogger Dalrock includes Vox in his blogroll, and cites his work with approval (see here and here for examples). But, astoundingly, he’s also regularly cited approvingly by antifeminist “relationship expert” Susan Walsh of Hooking Up Smart (see here, here, and here). And she has even written at least one guest post on Vox’s “game blog” Alpha Game.

At this point I suppose I shouldn’t be shocked by any of this.  But I still am.

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Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Pecunium — “I’m pretty sure he’s fired a gun…” — maybe, idk anything else he’s said, so I can’t really guess, his whole “blow you away” thing just seemed too flippant to be anyone who actually knows jack shit about gun safety. The rest of my immediate family are lifetime NRA members, I grew up around guns, so that bit just read as a lack of respect I can’t see coming from anyone who’s really shot before (paintball doesn’t count here since, at worst, it stings for awhile).

“Aside from which, I challenged PZ to a debate on this very subject, a few weeks ago. He offered no response.” — ya think?! He said he doesn’t do internet debates, wtf makes you so special that he should?

pecunium
pecunium
9 years ago

David Marshall: His “retreat” strikes you as disingenuous?

1: When was the last time he engaged in an “internet debate?
2: You challenged him to a debate on this very topic (the utility argument for abusing women to improve society?
2a: Since you say it was to be a debate, I have to assume you were on the same side as VD: why should I think you, “don’t have a problem with women” if you are willing to, at the very least, curtail their active participation in civil life; for some version, “for their own good”?

I repeat my questions:

1: What is VD’s point?

1a: How is it satire.
1b: If none of his other works are to be considered, how can we know it’s satire?

2: How does this batch of over the top points differ from his other writings? (see 1a-1b above as to why this matters, your attempt to dismiss it as irrelevant notwithstanding)

3: What about his “mocking” makes the logical failures, intellectual errors (e.g. the mis-statement of utilitarianism), etc. worth ignoring?

This is your chance to shine. You know PZ Myers reads this blog, show him what a great debater you are.

You’ve been asked direct questions, all you need to do now is answer them.

pecunium
pecunium
9 years ago

Argenti: VD is the sort who would go out and make sure he had guns. His family is from Minnesota (and lost a $3 million home, of 30 rooms, in 2003 for failure to pay taxes. Taxes they say they didn’t owe, because they weren’t residents at the time).

But that strain of glibertarian is prone to owning guns. Also prone to loudmouthed declarations of how willing they are to shoot people. I think they assume that poking holes in paper is just like practicing for people shooting back.

garvan
garvan
9 years ago

In which Manboobz can’t fucking understand satire in which Vox mocks the points of PZ Myers by showing us how if one were to do as what PZ Myers actually says, you would come out with doing really fucking terrible things.

Congratulations on not getting it.

garvan
garvan
9 years ago

See

“but as will be seen by the answers I provide, by asking some of them, Myers is doing little more than demonstrating the very unscientific attitude of which he is accused! It’s important to understand that one need not find these answers to be absolutely conclusive or even convincing to recognize that they are scientifically valid answers, which is to say that they can be used to generate hypotheses and then subsequently put to the scientific test, at least to the extent that social science can reasonably be considered science.”

Congratulations on not understanding what the author is doing.

This is about 100% more “A Modest Proposal” than the S.C.U.M. Manifesto ever was.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Pecunium — oh, he’s that sort, yeah I know the type. I’m not sure I could even hit a moving target myself, though considering the distance at which I can hit small metal figures I probably could in the “broad side a barn” sense. I don’t really want to find out though, and I guess that’s what was striking me so wrong, who wants to shoot at people? I can’t really wrap my head about “loudmouthed declarations of how willing they are to shoot people” — I grew up with the “don’t point at anything you don’t want to shoot” and “any shot could kill” etc.

Maybe that’s it though, I had gun safety drilled into me young enough and long enough that it is second nature to me — I piss off the former roommate by getting pissed when he’s pointing his “I know it’s unloaded” gun at my fish tank for example — I don’t give a rats ass if you “know” it’s unloaded >.< I guess that principle would be lost on Vox though huh?

katz
9 years ago

I challenged PZ to a debate on this very subject, a few weeks ago. He offered no response.

And his lack of response makes you now King of Pharyngula by default!

cloudiah
9 years ago

@David YOUR CHALLENGE TO PZ DOES NOT COUNT UNLESS IT IS WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT BOARD HIS PIRATE SHIP!!!

clou-di:ah(c)

pecunium
pecunium
9 years ago

Maybe that’s it though, I had gun safety drilled into me young enough and long enough that it is second nature to me — I piss off the former roommate by getting pissed when he’s pointing his “I know it’s unloaded” gun at my fish tank for example — I don’t give a rats ass if you “know” it’s unloaded >.< I guess that principle would be lost on Vox though huh?

Probably. Me, I’ll point an unloaded weapon at things in the house, mostly because I can’t get to a range, and dry fire is good practice.

But the amount of time I spend checking the chamber, and the fanatic way I make sure I have control of the weapon are part and parcel of that. If, when I am alone in the house, I step away (say to use the toilet), the first thing I do when I retrieve it is to check the chamber.

I also keep the ammo in a separate container, and it doesn’t come out unless I intend to load a weapon. Any weapon kept with ammunition in the well (there aren’t any which are kept with “one up the spout”) is unloaded, and the ammunition secured, before any practice happens.

Moving targets… are harder. Small targets (man-sized) are tricky, and distance makes a huge difference, since a small misjudgment of speed, coupled to a small misjudgement of distance guarantees a miss.

I don’t think VD has any clue, but the violent metaphor pleases him, so he uses it, ignoring what it says to those who don’t already agree with him. He no better as a rhetoritician than he is as a logician.

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
9 years ago

There are SEVEN BILLION people on this planet! There is absolutely NO reason women need to be baby making machines. Even if all women got college degrees and careers, humans would never be an endagerned species because of it. This guy just wants severe restrictions on women because of his misogyny.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

I think that ultimately some moral things are just arbitrary axioms: it is rather hard to persuade someone who doesn’t believe that happy people are a good thing that happy people are a good thing. At least I can’t. I end up sputtering all “but… but… but… happiness!”

That article from Vox Day should be put in a museum somewhere as an example of superficially plausible but actually fallacious logic.

Shaenon
9 years ago

It’s hard to tell because he’s such a bad writer, but I think VD is being, not actually satirical (because he seems to believe what he’s writing), but sort of semi-sarcastic. In his mind, he’s using PZ’s own moral framework against him, because he assumes that PZ, as an atheist, must be an absolute utilitarian with no other moral compass. His argument is that, as a utilitarian, PZ must agree that killing, mutilating, and enslaving women is morally good, because it benefits society. A lot of his post is also based on his confused notion of how evolutionary scientists think, because PZ is a scientist.

In other words, it’s the classic Internet non-argument of “You’re a poopy-head, therefore you have to like poop!”

Does VD support actually killing, mutilating, and enslaving women? Possibly not, although he’s arguing for it enthusiastically enough in the comments. Does he think that killing, mutilating, and enslaving women is generally good for society? Yeah, he does seem to think that.

Shaenon
9 years ago

Even leaving aside the question of whether it’s right or not, I’m not convinced that even in an abstract, Omelas-style situation where one person getting splashed with acid made a lot of people a little bit happier somehow that there would be a total increase in happiness. Surely having the knowledge that you were liable to get splashed with acid would decrease a person’s happiness by enough that any gain would be wiped out?

The problem is that we’re dealing with people who are made happier knowing there’s a child suffering in Omelas.

pecunium
pecunium
9 years ago

Shaenon: Does VD support actually killing, mutilating, and enslaving women?

Support? Hard to say. I don’t think (were it the right sort of women, for the right sort of reasons) he’s against it.

Which is where his moral failures crop up. I think you are right in what he was trying to do in re his version of PZ’s need to agree with the argument, but honestly, if someone were to legislate something akin to that, I can’t see VD really opposing it.

Certainly his total work implies he wouldn’t.

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

Who is this PZ Myers guy, anyway?

PZ Myers is a professor of biology in Minnesota. He’s an outspoken atheist. Here’s his blog.

Probably the thing that put him on the map of most internet fundamentalists is when he pierced a communion wafer and pages from the Quran and On the Origin of Species with a nail, and threw them all in the trash.

Bill Donohue of the All Catholics Are Whiners Like Bill Donohue League hit the roof.

It was in response to a similar roof-hitting earlier the same year when a student at a university in Florida was given a consecrated wafer at a Catholic Mass and did not eat it, but took it with him out of the church. The student got expelled.

He was one of the bloggers stalked for a long time by Dennis Markuze, who was arrested last year for terroristic threatening and harassment and has been through a mental evaluation and apparently some treatment, and has apparently been quiescent ever since.

Oh, and he helped arrange a skeptic’s tour of Ken Ham’s Creation Museum in Kentucky, which apparently didn’t help Ham’s paranoia.

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

I think I should clarify, the All Catholics Are Whiners Like Bill Donohue League does not actually include all Catholics, and probably not even a whole bunch in real numbers.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Pecunium — the former roommate keeps his handgun loaded (he’s got viable reasons to carry it for self-defense) but then tries the “I cleared the chamber!” as an excuse why I shouldn’t care he’s pointing it at my glass fish tank. I might care less if the gun were really fully empty >.<

I think you're right that VD just enjoys he violent metaphor though.

"In his mind, he’s using PZ’s own moral framework against him, because he assumes that PZ, as an atheist, must be an absolute utilitarian with no other moral compass."

He's certainly not the first to claim that atheists have no morals because morals come from fear of god punishing you — it's about the weakest claim ever, do they really think Christians (and other religious people) only refrain from violence because of fear of punishment? If so, wtf sense of moral superiority is that?! That's basically saying "I'd kill you but my god might punish me, so I'll spare you", that's nothing like more moral than "I'd kill you, but killing is wrong because no one wants to be killed" ARGH!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Off topic but WHAT?

“It was in response to a similar roof-hitting earlier the same year when a student at a university in Florida was given a consecrated wafer at a Catholic Mass and did not eat it, but took it with him out of the church. The student got expelled.”

Correct me if I’m wrong but the university of Florida would be a state school right? So where the fuck do they get off giving a shit about religion?

Aurini
9 years ago

Hahaha! “Trigger warning” – yet more evidence that women are too weak and emotional to be trusted with the vote.

Nice ‘arguments’, Futrelle. “Oooh, Vox Day was being mean.” You could say the same thing about other corrective norms, such as prison or fines.

And yes, it was satire; he was demonstrating how easy it is to defend Islam, he wasn’t advocating it. I doubt he wants a society where women have acid thrown in their faces, he was just explaining the rationalization behind it. Perhaps you could provide some examples of University educated women who A) Make a net contribution to society (if their husbands repay the loans, then they’re a net drain) who are engaged in a productive endeavour – government work doesn’t count, and B) who wind up having children at some point at a replacement rate.

For every single woman you find that qualifies to those criteria, I can find 99 who have a useless degree, are employed in government/HR make work, or who just used their degree to meet a husband to mooch off of.

Oh, regarding the above – Trigger Warning!

LBT
LBT
9 years ago

RE: Falconer

Oh wait, this is the guy who does Pharyngula? Okay! Gotcha.

Also WTF is with this idea that atheism = amoral? I am a bit of a moral relativist, but I still am equipped with such basic provincial notions that one should be kind to people, avoid hurting folks, and so on.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Argenti: I don’t think it was the University of Florida, I think it was just a university that happened to be in Florida.

Shaenon: As far as I can tell, he believes that acid attacks are actually good for society, and we know his Godly, non-consequentalist ethics are better because he’s against acid attacks even though they’re good for society. Or something.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

ozy — in, not of, I can read >.<

I think you're right in your reply to Shaenon, I've encountered this "atheists are amoral" attitude before, and it really does seem to hinge on "I want to do horrible things but don't BECAUSE GOD!!"

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Aurini — wtf defines “net contribution to society”? Neither van Gogh nor O’Keefe had children, does only the former’s art count or something?

“Oh, regarding the above – Trigger Warning!” — oh go fuck yourself. Ever had anyone you care about commit suicide? Guessing not if you think “trigger warning: suicide” is proof how “weak and emotional” women are — you know there are plenty of men who support warning people before going into sensitive topics in depth too right?

“You could say the same thing about other corrective norms, such as prison or fines.” — so a parking ticket is the same as having acid thrown on you? Yeah, you can definitely go fuck yourself.

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

I think you’re right in your reply to Shaenon, I’ve encountered this “atheists are amoral” attitude before, and it really does seem to hinge on “I want to do horrible things but don’t BECAUSE GOD!!”

I hear something similar, i.e. if I didn’t believe in God then I would be r**ing and stealing and murdering. The way I hear it all the time, it lacks the I would want to do horrible things aspect, like horrible things are just in our nature.

Probably they do think that horrible things are just in our nature. Some of them think a real woman ate a literal apple and then things started dying.

pecunium
pecunium
9 years ago

Aurini: For every single woman you find that qualifies to those criteria, I can find 99 who have a useless degree, are employed in government/HR make work, or who just used their degree to meet a husband to mooch off of.

http://img33.glitterfy.com/12117/glitterfy2193958T831D30.gifCare to back that up?

And “showing how easy it is to defend Islam” isn’t the definition of satire.

Again, from looking at his other writing, over the course of years, I don’t see this as being a break from his usual theses, which further hinders the facile defense of, “it was satire” (which is the more affected way of saying, “Can’t you take a joke”).

Howard Bannister
Howard Bannister
9 years ago

@Aurini:

Hahaha! “Trigger warning” – yet more evidence that women are too weak and emotional to be trusted with the vote.

Ugh! So you’re saying no man ever would be triggered or made to feel awful by the defense of terrorism? All men everywhere are fundamentally okay with a call to commit genocide against black people?

And you say feminists have a low opinion of men? I don’t WANT to know any men who are unaffected by that shit.

Amused
9 years ago

government work doesn’t count

Whoa. So, let’s list some occupations that involve government work:

– the military
– law enforcement
– firefighters
– teachers
– the Coast Guard
– all the doctors and nurses who work at publicly operated hospitals, including VA centers

Yeah, I can see how none of these are productive endeavors because GUBMINT IS EBIL.

I dunno, Farmer John, seems to me YOU are the moocher here.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Falconer — I probably was giving them too much credit, considering they also seem to think that atheism causes crime, or something (more like not-Christianity causes crime, but whatever).

Pecunium — “‘it was satire’ (which is the more affected way of saying, “Can’t you take a joke”).” — but satire =/= a joke, Swift knew that. VD is fundamentally failing to reveal anything damning about anyone besides himself, therefore, not satire.

Aurini — how is “how easy it is to defend Islam” in any well relevant to PZ anyways? And deciding PZ’s questions are all about Islam? Add Islamophobia to the list of reasons I think you can go fuck yourself.

I wonder Aurini, does “All men everywhere are fundamentally okay with a call to commit genocide against black people?” include black men? Or are they just not people to you?

Sharculese
9 years ago

Perhaps you could provide some examples of University educated women who A) Make a net contribution to society (if their husbands repay the loans, then they’re a net drain) who are engaged in a productive endeavour – government work doesn’t count, and B) who wind up having children at some point at a replacement rate.

y’know, it’s sad enough when you guys try to engage in these ‘blame women for your failings’ fairytales, but when you can’t do it without adding a bunch of arbitrary rules to your bitterness narrative it is just extra pathetic

Amused
9 years ago

Also, don’t quite get how repaying one’s loans, even with someone else’s funds, represents a “net drain” on society.

Sharculese
9 years ago

‘women are stoopid, therefore shit girls do isnt real work because i is a sooper he-man. waaah waahhh.’

that’s you, aurini. that’s what you sound like. except less articulate.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

To add to Amused’s list:

– all court employees, from the one’s filing to the judges
– sanitation employees in many places, sewers everywhere I can think of
– public water works employees, ie the people who get the tap water to your faucet
– the entire foster care system (this includes basically everything in an orphan’s life)
– all the various consumer protection agencies, or would you prefer products that kill?
– the FDA, or maybe you’d like mercury as a “cure” for everything again?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Oh and the highway system, your roads are also maintained by government employees.

Sharculese
9 years ago

but seriously- women don’t contribute to society, therefore throw acid in their faces. this is the work of a brilliant thinker who should be taken seriously and not have his sharp scissors confiscated.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

isn’t it cute how Vox’s flying monkeys are coming here to defend his honor? lol

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

type “like” if you understood that reference xD

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

isn’t it cute how Vox’s flying monkeys are coming here to defend his honor? lol

Hey — I got that joke! [/Avengers]

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

@Falconer

haha yes!!! xD

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

For every single woman you find that qualifies to those criteria, I can find 99 who have a useless degree, are employed in government/HR make work, or who just used their degree to meet a husband to mooch off of.

Why is Human Resources useless? They hire people, enroll the employees in health insurance programs, help employees manage their retirement plans, and schedule activities that boost workplace morale, which increases productivity. Men work in HR departments, too. Is it useful when they do it, but a waste when women do it?

I also visited Aurini’s pretentious blog, but had to leave due to boredom. I tried to watch his video of why feminism ruined the Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, but I only made it through two minutes. I’d rather watch Rise of the Silver Surfer ten times in a row than one of Aurini’s videos.

Amused
9 years ago

Argenti Aertheri:

– the entire foster care system (this includes basically everything in an orphan’s life)

They don’t give a shit about orphans. People like Aurini would much prefer if orphans had no social safety net at all, which would allow orphans to be used as slaves. You know, all that social Darwinism bullshit.

katz
9 years ago

I tried to watch his video of why feminism ruined the Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, but I only made it through two minutes. I’d rather watch Rise of the Silver Surfer ten times in a row than one of Aurini’s videos.

And that’s really saying something when it’s Rise of the Silver Surfer you’re talking about. (Or so I hear; never actually seen it.)

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

To spare anyone else of the boredom that will come from visiting Aurini’s blog, I’ll sum it up for you. It’s basically just “Look at me! I’m a smug reactionary, isn’t that interesting!” LOL, as if I’ve never seen a blog like that before.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

@Kendra

Manosphere commentary on movies is hilarious and disturbing. One blogger…(I forget who it was though) predicted Avengers would have rape and a Spearhead article predicted it would be feminized and do badly or both.

Fail on both of those predictions lol.

Sharculese
9 years ago

his video of why feminism ruined the Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer

ahahahahahahahah that is like compound levels of sad

Sharculese
9 years ago

As I’ve said before, I don’t buy that a Jewish Conspiracy is controlling the West. Conspiracies have too many moving parts. They require too much control of information. And quite frankly, if there actually were a conspiracy, its behaviour wouldn’t be as Discracefully Stupid as what we’re actually seeing.

WELL THAT EXPLAINS IT.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

In which Manboobz can’t fucking understand satire in which Vox mocks the points of PZ Myers by showing us how if one were to do as what PZ Myers actually says, you would come out with doing really fucking terrible things.

Good lord, do none of these idiots actually understand satire?

Apparently they don’t.

Find who he is trying to satirize in this “answer”:

7. Because far more women are aborted than die as a result of their pregnancies going awry. The very idea that letting a few women die is worse than killing literally millions of unborn women shows that PZ not only isn’t thinking like a scientist, he’s quite clearly not thinking rationally at all. If PZ is going to be intellectually consistent here, then he should be quite willing to support the abortion of all black fetuses, since blacks disproportionately commit murder and 17x more people could be saved by aborting black fetuses than permitting the use of abortion to save the life of a mother. 466 American women die in pregnancy every year whereas 8,012 people died at the hands of black murderers in 2010.

Note that you should take this into consideration when making your answer:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/05/inevitable-return-of-racism.html
http://www.wnd.com/2010/05/151689/

He’s just taking his own racism and applying his misunderstanding of utilitarianism to that. Not only is it not satire, as a reductio ad absurdum it doesn’t even land. The only one Vox Day is satirizing is himself, and he doesn’t even realize it.

This is going to sound terribly PI
This is going to sound terribly PI
9 years ago

It was a slow day at the office so I was reacquainting myself with my old friend Jack; he doesn’t talk a lot,but he has a way of lifting my spirits. I was just finishing another slug when the door opens; I tip up the brim of my fedora to see Glass Eye Joe walking in.

“Get a load a this satire” He sez, handing me the local rag.

I glanced over it, and it didn’t take long to see that Joe was off his rocker.

“Joe,” I sneered “I didn’t realize that Jimmy the Blade took yer brain as well as yer eye that fateful night. This here is satire like I’m the Queen of France. Listen close ya dumb palooka, if we assume he is satirizing, who is he satirizing?”

“Well, uh” Joe stammered, sounding like my pop’s old truck when the engine starts to knock.

“Certainly not this Meyers putz!” I interjected. “Just look at question number 5”

5. How does stoning rape victims benefit women?

“Now see here, a more consistent response” I started, but realizing I sounded like an old school marm, I took another slug of whiskey; a man has to keep these things balanced.

“As I was saying, the more consistent response would be along the lines of ‘Rape is just a byproduct of promiscuity see, by further stigmatizing promiscuity, via death penalty for rape victims, the dames’ll be more likely stay in their roles as baby incubators and child raisers.’ However, what does this ‘satirist’ go with?”

I shove the rag back in Joe’s face, and he’s looking as jumpy as a frog in a pogo stick shop.

5. I don’t see how this benefits women in any way. The effect in dramatically reducing the number of false rape accusations would, of course, benefit men, but since there is no reliable penalty for false rape accusations in modern society, reducing it would be of little benefit to them.

“That’s right Joe!” I explode, “He goes with false rape accusations, what does that sound like to you!?”

“M…MRAs?” he stammers

“That’s right” I reassure him, finally having lead the mouse to the cheese, “At best this is a poor satirization of the MRM, but this guy here, he’s just too genuine with his hate.”

Suddenly I, feel a draft across the back of my neck, then POW, cold metal strikes my temple and stars burst over my vision. I have just enough time to realize that Joe set me up before it all goes black.

When I come to, it’s all dark. But I can tell it’s somewhere unfamiliar, there’s something wrong with the air. I can’t put my finger on it, so I put my hand up to my head to assess the damage. Blood. Dammit what mess had Joe tied me into this time. And that’s when I realize what’s wrong with the air.

Candles.

Scented. Fucking. Candles.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

“You know, all that social Darwinism bullshit.” — shit, that’s why I specifically mentioned orphans, in the hopes that the social Darwinism crowd could manage to see how having your parents die isn’t remotely related to social status >.<

I might have to read this one off his blog though — "To understand Trayvon Martin, you first must understand Charles Manson." — I've read Helter Skelter, and I doubt he has.

Sharculese
9 years ago

In which Manboobz can’t fucking understand satire in which Vox mocks the points of PZ Myers by showing us how if one were to do as what PZ Myers actually says, you would come out with doing really fucking terrible things.

again, we totally get that vox day is making a tenuous, moral panic heavy, slippery slope argument. it’s just that that argument isnt worth taking seriously.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Oh gods his point is just that Nixon didn’t call Manson an alleged murderer but said he was a murderer, versus Obama calling Trayvon Martin’s death a tragedy, because that somehow is the same as calling Zimmerman a murderer, that’s it, I’m sure. (MRAs are making me want that on a shirt)

And Zimmerman is the victim, of course >.<

They Myth of Racism is a profitable one, you see, and those Advocates which promise you Cheese for Votes have never had your best interests at heart.

Feminism, Anti-racism, Housing Loans, Gay Rights, Anarcho-Tyranny, the Security State, take your pick – somewhere there’s a flavour of cheese for you, no matter how discerning your palette might be. …

It’s almost enough to make you feel sorry for Charles Manson. If only he’d known how to play the game as well as They..

Yeah, clearly doesn’t know shit about Manson either.