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New Men’s Rights Posters Fight Misandry with Racism, Homophobia, and Giant Trotskyist Fists [UPDATED]

Even North Korea is better at propaganda than the Men’s Rights Movement. Text reads: “Come to North Korea! We’ve got, like, shitloads of fish.” (Note: I do not actually know Korean.)

It’s sort of reassuring how bad Men’s Rightsers are at communicating with those outside their tiny movement. I should amend that: how bad they are at communicating what they want to communicate — that is, that they are the 21st-century version of the heroic and in many ways successful civil rights movements of the late 20th century. What they tend to communicate instead is what they’d rather the world not see: how blinkered and reactionary and hateful so many of them really are.

Browsing through the Men’s Rights subreddit last night, I ran across a batch of graphics one MRA had prepared for other MRAs to freely use, whether as online graphics, dorm room decoration, or posters to wheatpaste on the nearest family courts building. While avoiding the hysterical misogyny of so many of the graphics up on the Artistry Against Misandry website we looked at recently, CAGeorge’s posters reveal a bit more about himself and the MRM than he perhaps intends them to. Take this poster, ostensibly a call to “resist feminist bullying.” How exactly do you resist such bullying? Apparently, with a giant fist.

Huh. Your movement is known for its violent rhetoric, for downplaying and whitewashing domestic violence against women by pretending that DV affects men and women equally, for promulgating a sort of false-rape-allegation hysteria in no way proportionate to the actual extent of false-rape allegations. In some circles, it’s labeled, fairly or unfairly, as “the abusers lobby.” Do you really think putting this fist on this poster is going to help?

Apparently not. Apparently that fist ISN’T GIGANTIC ENOUGH. Meet MEGA FIST:

So, yeah. Also, FYI, that particular version of the old clenched-fist graphic has been used by the far-left International Socialist Organization (ISO) for several decades. Take a look at the little ISO fist to the right here. Same fist. You may want to switch that out, dudes, lest you inadvertently convert potential MRAs to Trotskyism.

And while I have to give CAGeorge a few points for avoiding the crass misogyny of Artistry Against Misandry, he doesn’t do quite as well avoiding racism and homophobia. Hence this poster, apparently an attempt to scare potential false accusers by suggesting they could end up sharing a cell with a scary and probably dark-skinned dyke.

Naturally, CAGeorge’s artisty won mostly plaudits from the Men’s Rights redditors who stopped by to look and comment.

EDITED TO ADD:  Woah.  Strike that last sentence. Returning to r/menrights I see that a real, critical discussion of the flyers has erupted. Many of the regulars are unhappy with various aspects of CAGeorge’s choices. Numerous commenters are critical of the fist imagery, including ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit’s mods, who objects in one highly upvoted comment. One person even mentions the ISO!

Our old pal Sigil1 (a.k.a. the legendary banned Man Boobz commenter Eoghan) is especially critical of the “roommate” poster, and for a good reason: that it essentially threatens prison rape for false accusers. (He doesn’t mention the racism or homophobia.) But he still can’t help but blame the posters on a conspiracy of evil “false flag” feminists trying to make the MRM look bad.

Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, naturally, thinks the posters are fine and dandy.

CAGeorge, meanwhile, defends his poor choices. Here he is dealing with criticism of the “roommate” poster:

The bit about “nullification” is of course a reference to Elam’s infamous suggestion that MRAs should undermine the legal system by voting “not guilty” in trials involving men charged with rape, “even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.”

Still, this is a real discussion. If the Men’s Rights movement has any chance at all of transforming itself into something really resembling a real progressive movement, it’s going to need to have a lot more discussions like this — and those who really do want to improved the lives of men instead of simply demonizing women will need to make clear that Elam and his ideological comrades are no longer welcome in the movement.

EDITED TO ADD, PART 2: Now the legendarily cloddish MRA videoblogger Bernard Chapin has made a video attacking the posters and the dude who made them. He’s not worried about the violent imagery, or the racism, or the homophobia — as I pointed out recently, he is himself a bit of a homophobe. Nope. He’s mad about the use of evil leftist imagery, and accuses the maker of the posters of being a sneaky Marxist infiltrator trying to co-opt the MRM with evil Marxist symbolism.

Gosh. Paul Elam said he liked the graphics. Is he a secret Marxist infiltrator too?

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Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

At the rate Mr. Fisty, the MRM fist, is growing, it will soon be the size of Michigan. And then it will shake hands with Michigan and the MRM will finally win.

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Maybe they’re trying to make reference to the feminist fist symbol?

http://www.thatreligiousstudieswebsite.com/images_trsw/Ethics/feminism_fist.jpg

The upraised fist is a common symbol of protest; the problem is that it’s a symbol of fighting back against an oppressor, and men? Not actually systematically oppressed by women.

So in this context it just comes off as another case of MRAs not understanding the difference between “hitting back” and “just hitting people you’re angry at.”

FelixBC
FelixBC
9 years ago

So, the Abusers’ Lobby and the Plagiarists! Friendly folk, aren’t they?

Seriously, stealing a big angry fist logo sends no other message than violence and a certain hapless ignorance of the actual world and copyright law.

scrapemind
9 years ago

Like children who use drugs, the MRAs learned it by watching you. Progressives, including feminists, used the raised fist for decades, and they were pretty successfuls as activists, so MRAs thought they could be activists, too, the poor, naive fools.

Please, conservatives. You cannot wield it. None of us can. Conservatives can’t be activists because “the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.” Activism only works in one direction, in service of the inevitable march of history toward perdition.

FelixBC
FelixBC
9 years ago

And maybe a little wishful thinking about “growing” in a phallic way. So, nuance!

Eric26
Eric26
9 years ago

That’s the great thing about MRAs. They’re so rabid, venomous and incapable of rational thought that they are of no threat to anyone. An MRA threatening to tear down the current establishment is like a field mouse threatening to tear down a brick wall.

noahbrand
9 years ago

That last one is particularly impressive, implicitly threatening those who make false rape accusations with… well, rape. This is typical MRA: we live in a culture that loves to joke about men getting raped in prison, that loves to speak approvingly of men getting raped in prison, that appears to be okay with our government running, as they imagine it, rape camps for men. That is goddamned offensive to anyone who cares about men’s issues, obviously. The MRA solution? Don’t threaten men with prison rape less, threaten women with prison rape more.

This is a very consistent pattern with MRAs, to the point where I take it as diagnostic. When presented with a problem facing men in our society, does he want to fix things for men and ameliorate the problem, or does he want to somehow make things worse for women? If the latter… you got an MRA there.

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

I honestly can’t tell what side scrapemind is on.

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
9 years ago

It took a while to figure out what the last poster was threatening me with. Chicks in white wifebeaters aren’t usually a punishment for me.

Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Ha, I just noticed the first one has GirlWritesWhat’s YouTube URL. My eyes can’t roll hard enough.

Cloudiah
Cloudiah
9 years ago

The MRA solution? Don’t threaten men with prison rape less, threaten women with prison rape more.

Yeah, this seems to be a common theme for MRAs. More women should die in shipwrecks! More women should succeed in committing suicide! Women should be killed on the job at the same rate as men! Fair is fair!
/sarcasm

And scrapemind’s exact position is unclear to me too.

Sharculese
9 years ago

i’ll hang this up next to my avfm suicide sticks and ‘feminists are like flies’ mspaint printout

Molly Moon
Molly Moon
9 years ago

Scrapemind said:
Activism only works in one direction, in service of the inevitable march of history toward perdition

I didn’t know what perdition meant so I googled it. The result: “Noun:
(in Christian theology) A state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unpenitent person passes after death.
Synonyms:
ruin – bane – ruination – doom – damnation – undoing”

So he’s anti-activism. Or pro-damnation? Or possibly being sarcastic.

Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

…suicide sticks?

apeedlines
apeedlines
9 years ago

Or just a really bad writer.

Ponkz
Ponkz
9 years ago

I was about to point out the hypocrisy of protesting rape affecting men in prison and making jokes about men being raped in prison on one hand, while using the threat of rape in prison against women on the other, but I see noahbrand’s said it a lot more eloquently than me. Absolutely agree with every word of your post, Noah.

Uncognitive
Uncognitive
9 years ago

Just to go off topic into blatant history nerdery for a moment, I’m pretty sure the iconic raised, clenched fist graphic originated as the symbol of the Red Front-Fighter’s League, the Communist paramilitary group in pre-Nazi 1920s Weimar Germany. So it’s been around for a lot longer than the 1960s, anyway.

More on topic, I’m really hoping the next MRM appropriation of leftist iconography is the classic Che Guevara picture with the caption “DO NOT CREEP-SHAME HIS PENIS, FEMINISTS!” or something.

Sharculese
9 years ago

@tulgey

typo. that was supposed to be stickers

Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Now I can’t stop imagining what Suicide Sticks would be.

@uncognitive—

Men of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but women’s rights!

Uncognitive
Uncognitive
9 years ago

Here’s hoping SyFy picks up the movie rights to “Mega-Fist Vs. Giant Snarktopus”.

katz
9 years ago

I see this one has discovered UrbanFonts.

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
9 years ago

Back when I still tried to talk to MRAs (instead of avoiding them), I mentioned that nobody, feminist or non-feminist, wanted men to die in industrial accidents. Naturally they responded with “Yeah prove it!” So I talked about things like OSHA regulations and government mandated standards and that these were created for the specific purpose of preventing workplace deaths and mitigating unavoidable hazards.

What followed was a bizarre, angry, and Randian tirade about how the evil government is trying to take away freedoms and how government regulations stifle free enterprise and how OSHA regulations and standards weren’t helping anyway because (apparently) men were dropping like flies in the workplace. Like flies, I tell you!

Finally I just asked, “So if you don’t want standards and regulations in industrial workplaces, then how do you suggest creating and maintaining an environment of safety for men?”

Because we all know how well deregulation works, amirite.

His response was just to tell me to stfu and stop pretending I care anything about men in dangerous jobs.

Seriously though, considering a lot of these guys identify as Libertarians (& getting it completely wrong) and/or Randroids, they really display a disconnect from their own ideology.

Either that or, like most of us suspect, they don’t give a shit about men and just want to punish women for [fill in the blank].

katz
9 years ago

On the one hand, poor Scrapemind, imagining history as one long slow march to doom.

On the other hand, pro-slavery, pro-genocide, pro-Inquisition, pro-autocracy, pro-every terrible thing that has ever happened in history…

abeille
9 years ago

I suddenly want a scented candle.

Ponkz
Ponkz
9 years ago

@Lady Zombie – oh, absolutely. I’ve also come across MRAs complaining that health and safety regulations brought in to prevent workplace casualties and deaths are actually ‘feminizing’ the workplace and paving the way to make it safer for women who don’t want to get dirt on their pretty clothes or break any nails or whatever other nonsense to enter the workplace.

You can often find a lot of blustering in the right-wing press here in the UK about how “Health and safety’s gone mad!!1!” often proven by ridiculous stories about children having to wear safety equipment in order to play conkers and so on. A lot of these stories are myths, and it got so bad at one point that the Health and Safety Executive here in the UK had to set up a myth busters section on their website – http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/index.htm

Anyway, there was a documentary about local council health and safety officers (often characterised as party-pooping busybodies) on the BBC a number of years ago, examining whether such stereotypes and myths have any truth to them. One officer they spoke to was a middle-aged man who remembered what it was like to work in factories and workshops before such legislation, when asked whether he thought health and safety had gone too far and such laws should be repealed. He said absolutely not and spoke quite movingly about the dreadful accidents and deaths he’d witnessed when working in factories.

It was interesting, as I have noticed that a lot of health and safety officials I’ve met in my time have indeed been men old enough to remember what it was like to work in unsafe places before such legislation came in and they’re often passionate about ensuring that the things they would have seen never happen again. They’re also targeting the right culprits – greedy, incompetent employers and businesses who would rather cut corners and save money than ensure they safety and wellbeing of their employees. No wild, ridiculous conspiracies about women and big government, blah, blah blah – just practical solutions.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

That last poster is almost perfect, because if you don’t watch MRA shit constantly you have no earthly idea wtf they’re talking about.

Like children who use drugs, the MRAs learned it by watching you

I think you’ve seen one too many PSAs, kid XD

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
9 years ago

The root of the Health and Safety Gone Mad stories seems to usually be [local councils/schools/whatever] being rather to careful to avoid any chance of liability for anything, as far as I can tell.

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
9 years ago

@Ponkz – It’s pathetic isn’t it? It’s especially facepalm worthy when they say that safety regulations feminize the workplace. So I guess they want men to work in unsafe conditions, or better yet, want women to die in industrial accidents too.

But that would require women to work in what they consider traditionally male jobs and we can’t have that! That would be too close to equality.

ragefromthebasement
9 years ago

Idk those women are kinda hot.

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

What they really want is for men (not *them*, they want to work in air-conditioned offices, but men) to continue dying so that women will continue owing them worship for their gender’s sacrifices.

cloudiah
9 years ago

To be fair, one of the r/mr mods does not like the fist imagery, and his seems to be the top up-voted comment.

Sigil1 (who I think used to troll here under a different name?) points out the problem with threatening women with prison rape, but the artist doubles down:

Telling women that false accusations are bad doesn’t seem to have worked. In fact, they will either deny that false accusations happen or say that they aren’t important. Either way false accusations continue. Men’s lives are fucking destroyed…do you understand? This is serious. This poster bypasses all the bullshit and goes straight to the possible consequences of making a false allegation. All I want is for one potential false accuser to see this realize something she hadn’t thought of before…that there are consequences for her actions. This poster isn’t necessarily about “being raped in prison” it’s just some scary female inmates; the rest is left to individual interpretation. Regardless, considering a VERY well known MRA just a few months ago advocated for jury nullification in any rape case one might find themselves in (as a juror) I’m confused as to why this particular poster is so bothersome. This is a war. We didn’t start it, but know we’re here.

Emphasis mine.

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
9 years ago

The giant fist makes them look like the bullies. The, “false rape accusations” poster looks like it can deter women from reporting rape, which might be what some MRA’s want. Pathetic.

ragefromthebasement
9 years ago

I’ve heard MRAs say they’ll be happy when the women’s suicide rate equals men’s, and when more female than male soldiers come home in body bags.

These sick guys think women like it when men die. Please. Those men are our husbands, brothers, fathers, and friends. And we love them (but women don’t feel love, so sheesh).

2-D Man
2-D Man
9 years ago

Re: workplace safety
I was working in a factory about a year ago when we moved some equipment around. After everyone had gotten back to work, I noticed a live 15 kW electric line hanging unsecured and unconnected. These lines do have safety locks so you can’t touch the terminals without a screwdriver, but still. So I went to my supervisor and complained about it as a safety hazard and he says, “how are you going to get hurt by it?”
I said, “I’d rather not find out.”

Newbie
Newbie
9 years ago

Quite off topic: The Road to Perdition is a top notch, beautiful gangster film. Paul Newman.

When it’s called a tiny movement…how small? More or less than 10,000?

It’s been several months & it still completely blows my mind that this even exists on the Internet. Like I’ve now seen what’s ugliest, craziest, pond scum hatred on the web. It’s had a really bad effect on me.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
9 years ago

The headline on that last poster makes me go “bzuh?” It sounds like making false rape allegations is something women do for funsies. “Want to get a mani-pedi, then buy some frozen yogurt and drop off a false rape allegation on our way to the movies? Teehee!”

OTOH, many MRAs seem to think women make all their major life decisions in exactly the same fashion, so perhaps this is par for the course.

ragefromthebasement
9 years ago

“It’s been several months & it still completely blows my mind that this even exists on the Internet. Like I’ve now seen what’s ugliest, craziest, pond scum hatred on the web. It’s had a really bad effect on me.”

@Newbie

Me too. It’s become something of an obsession, and it’s driving my husband crazy ( though he is being a very good sport). But at least I’m not obsessing about trying go get pregnant anymore. The MRM is a nice distraction.

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
9 years ago

Me too. It’s become something of an obsession, and it’s driving my husband crazy ( though he is being a very good sport). But at least I’m not obsessing about trying go get pregnant anymore. The MRM is a nice distraction.

I find that fanfic works pretty well for this too. 😛

ragefromthebasement
9 years ago

“…and those who really do want to improved the lives of men instead of simply demonizing women will need to make clear that Elam and his ideological comrades are no longer welcome in the movement.”

Like that will ever happen. Though I would love to see the look on Elam’s face and the subsequent tantrum.

trake
trake
9 years ago

Ohh shiiiit. Next it’s going to be ”Feminists eat feces”, westboro-style.

Nico and Maud
Nico and Maud
9 years ago

Most (maybe all) of the pictures from the last poster are from the reality/documentary show “Beyond Scared Straight.” They’re prisoners who volunteered to talk with young girls who are at risk of ending up in prison. I remember the woman with the face tattoos in particular – she made a real effort to connect with the girls, to discuss the roots of their behavior and encourage them to make better choices.

But, you know, she’s butch and scary-looking, so I think we can safely assume that she’s a violent rapist.

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

If the Men’s Rights movement has any chance at all of transforming itself into something really resembling a real progressive movement, it’s going to need to have a lot more discussions like this — and those who really do want to improved the lives of men instead of simply demonizing women will need to make clear that Elam and his ideological comrades are no longer welcome in the movement.

I dunno. Even the “reasonable” faction in this fight agrees that women who claim they were raped are likely to be dirty liars; they’re only disagreeing about how much punishment should be meted out to these terrible creatures.

I guess that’s progress, but it’s not MUCH progress.

Magpie
9 years ago

The closed hand meant ‘solidarity’ to me, I didn’t think of punching. But then I remembered, this is the MRM 😉

Also, my friend told me the story of when he was Falsely Accused of Rape! He was scared, but it hasn’t ruined his life or anything.

gratuitous_violet
gratuitous_violet
9 years ago

As a former member of the ISO I almost did a spit-take. (although one of the reasons I’m a former member is that some of these MRS dudes wouldn’t sound entirely out of place at an ISO meeting :-/ )

ideologuereview
9 years ago

[Men’s Rights Advocates are known] for downplaying and whitewashing domestic violence against women by pretending that DV affects men and women equally
So it’s our fault that stupid people might think domestic violence is okay… because it also affects men?

Sharculese
9 years ago

no, factfinder, it’s your fault people might think domestic violence is okay because you tried to make a game about beating up pregnant women. how fucking dumb are you.

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