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Redditor: Do Your Bit for Gender Equality by Telling Women They’re Terrible

Hey fellas, do you ever find yourself wondering: why are women so terrible? Well, over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, a fella named osaap has a partial answer: because dudes don’t criticize them enough!

So, fellas, the next time you see a woman, tell her she’s a mean, thoughtless, selfish, lazy little bitch, and that you won’t be giving her a “pussy pass” any longer. You’ll be doing your part for real gender equality. Pay it forward, by putting her down.

Judging from the dozens of upvotes osaap’s post got, and the almost-100% positive response it received from commenters there, it sounds like a lot of Reddit’s Men’s Rightsers are on board with this ingenious new form of activism.

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Idylle
Idylle
8 years ago

The notion behind this post sounds eerily like Southern paternalism that slave owners used to adopt.
Not really surprised by this, though. Just eerie.

Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Wait, so now men are the sexual gatekeepers?

And the standards of horny dudes are the only ones that matter—women don’t have families and friends, now?

I’m so confused.

Sharculese
8 years ago

well, this is certainly an ingenious way of avoiding the ‘you guys arent activists, you just hate women’ issue

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

In MRAspeak, this only applies to hot young women. Those of us who’ve aged out of or don’t meet their beauty standards are exempt, I assume.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

How do these guys think women pay rent?
How do they think we make friends?
How do they think we raise children?

I’m sure they have answers to all that, all of which are completely frothing and convoluted and delve deeper and deeper into conspiracy theories the more you question it. But it’s weird and creepy that they can’t accept that women face basic human challenges like money and relationships.

Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

All I can really say is it’s refreshing to finally find a group that thinks men taking charge of women is good for society.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

Not just conspiracy theories, by the way. Entirely vagina-centric conspiracy theories. See, we pay rent by fucking guys or by extorting guys we previously fucked, that’s also how we pay for our children (and children require no resources besides money, don’t be silly), and we make friends with either men who want to fuck us or women we’ll form fucking-men teams with.

Sometimes I feel just like a hovering reproductive system, typing on this keyboard with my ovaries.

(That’s a joke, of course. Really, I’m sex-bribing a man into typing this for me.)

Discordia
Discordia
8 years ago

My theory is these guys watcfh WAAAAAAAAYYYYY to many movies/read books and don’t really interact with real world women. That just has to be it….all the women I know have jobs, have friends and family and are living just as humanly as possible as much as men are…

Now are there women that use therre looks to try to get out of things and get their way? Sure! Hoever there are also men that do the same thing…..its not like men are perfect little princes like the MRAS seem to think

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

I’m actually a bit acquainted to a woman who’s conventionally attractive, and has talked about how easy it is to dupe other people into paying for you in various situations, and how easy it is to take advantage of people… and she eventually married some rich guy who supports her.
The thing is, she’s diagnosed with “anti-social personality disorder and psychopathic tendencies”. It’s like these MRA people believe all women actually have a personality disorder.

pangea
8 years ago

And y’all have the audacity to think that MRAs hate women. Pshaw!

Polliwog
Polliwog
8 years ago

They know that they don’t have to be anything but good looking.

It is perpetually astounding to me that misogynists can take a factual statement like “in our society, women are often judged solely on their appearance, rather than being seen as whole people” and turn it into “women get to be judged solely on their appearance, THIS IS SO UNFAIR TO MEN.”

pillowinhell
8 years ago

Well yes, as we all know, human beings reach the full potential for humanity by constantly being put down and told they’re worthless.

Yes there are a lot of men who only value women for their looks. It always amazes me though, that when MRAs actually see the real problem or issue they immediately veer off into exactly the wrong solution to the problem. It seems to be a very consistant trait amongst them.

The correct answer (at least partial) is that perhaps if men like you appreciated more about a woman than her looks, you’d start noticing women who have more to offer and are more likely to appreciate more about you than your bank account.

I know misandry. Time to go light another FUCKING SCENTED CANDLE!

Pecunium
8 years ago

pangea: They don’t hate women… they want women to be able to achieve their full potential.

I don’t know quite what it is, the MRM manual on women seems a bit contradictory… have kids, be young and “hot”, like to fuck anytime the right man wants to fuck (this seems to be the one making whatever “argument” is being floated at the moment, but there may be some objective standard based on publicly declared relationship), never have sex with anyone but, “The Right Man”, don’t tease men by being hot in public, take care of the kids, the house, the shopping, be self-supporting, be able to maintain a decent conversation, eschew education, never divorce, never complain, never get old.

Always be cheerful, while declaring that any man, any where, any time was always better than the most accomplished woman who ever lived, and is certainly smarter, more clever and more worthy than you are.

And smile when you say it.

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

Btw I realized that the idea that MRA:s would believe that all women have anti-social personality disorder doesn’t make sense either, because part of what that means is that you just DON’T CARE if people tell you that you’re a bad person, hurt others etc. The person David is quoting above apparently believe that as evil as women are, they WOULD care if people started to tell them that they were constantly behaving badly.

karalora
8 years ago

You know something? People should be kind and thoughtful and generous and giving and self-sacrificing (within reason) and compassionate. No one should be able to skate by on looks alone while being a complete asshole. That goes for both men and women…and even children, to the extent they are able.

But does anyone think for one second that these guys would give the time of day to a kind, thoughtful, generous, giving, self-sacrificing, compassionate woman who wasn’t also centerfold material? Because I highly doubt it.

pillowinhell
8 years ago

Oh I don’t know..I don’t have anti social tendancies, but if I had to deal with MRA bullshit 24/7, I don’t think I’d give a shit for very long. I mean, where’s the incentive here? To live another day listening to their bullshit while feeding their egos? Been there, done it and kicked his ass to the curb.

Joanna
8 years ago

“Let’s not be driven only by our sexuality. Let’s use our brains more.”

Yes, please do.

AlexB
AlexB
8 years ago

I would genuinely like to know if these guys believe they are kind, thoughtful, generous, giving, etc. You’d think probably not. But then MRAs are not known for their self awareness. (Well, actually, I suppose in a way they are.)

i’m sure that the ways in which women in their lives are kind to them are completely invisible to these guys because they’re expected. Listing a few here (and assuming that most MRAs are godawful crashing bores IRL, which seems likely): they likely have women laughing at their bad jokes, listening to their boring stories and pretending to be interested in their dumbass opinions, smiling and going along with it when they say something shitty and obnoxious, allowing them to mansplain stuff the woman knows more about, refraining from criticising them or finding the most tactful possible way to express criticism when there isn’t an alternative, and expressing concern if they’re upset. If they’re in a relationship then they likely have a woman doing the majority of the housework, taking care of them if they’re sick, reminding them to make doctor’s appointments, buying their clothes, remembering their family’s birthdays– to list a very few of the ways of being kind to people that are disproportionately expected of women.

But I wonder if these guys ever do anything like that for anyone else. I really suspect they don’t. I think they’re so oblivious that they don’t even know that these are things people actually make an effort to do for other people sometimes, and the only time they notice it is when women don’t do it for them. Because women who don’t do those things are evil and selfish.

Oh wait… some of them are probably Nice Guys who do things like this for women, but think it means they’re owed sex.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
8 years ago

So osaap (the Order of St. Augustine in Asia and the Pacific?) thinks that men should “hold women to a higher standard” of kindness, thoughtfulness, generousness, giving-ness, willingness to sacrifice, and compassion.

But when a woman says “hey dudes, I don’t give a shit about meeting your impossible sexual/beauty standards because I’m busy trying to be more kind, thoughtful, generous, giving, self-sacrificing, and compassionate,” that’s not good enough.

Clearly our adherence to the sexual preferences of random dudes on the Internet is still a necessary component, even if it’s not a sufficient one. LOLno.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
8 years ago

…And now, having typed that list of adjectives twice, I see they can all be translated as “being more providing of the sex on demand.” Got it.

Shaenon
8 years ago

MRA dudes, I know you don’t want to accept this, but you didn’t invent being an asshole. We’ve all encountered assholes before, and we are bored.

darksidecat
8 years ago

“kind, thoughtful, generous, giving, self-sacrificing and compassionate,”

These are things women are already expected to do far more. Sexists only think women aren’t doing it enough because they have different standards. Any woman who has any self care or care for other women, rather than dedicating every second to catering to men, isn’t being kind, thoughtful, generous, giving, self-sacrificing, and compassionate in their eyes.

Missy
Missy
8 years ago

@ Dani- Remember, the sex on demand must only be to a card carrying good guy/Beta male. If you are having sex on demand with a man later determined to be an alpha then you are a slut and become worthless. Also, if you have sex on demand with too many good guys you also are a slut and worthless.

So, get married at 18 to the first guy you have sex with and have sex whenever he wants it forever. You can never get divorced though, because then you’d be raping him for spousal and child support. But if you wait until you can provide for yourself so that you don’t need his paycheck… well then you are too old.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

Yes, there certainly aren’t enough people criticizing women on the Internet, especially on Reddit. Thank god MRAs are here to solve that problem.

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

The only solution is to communize the cunt. It shall save mankind!

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/spearhead-forum-misandry.php?page=8

blitzgal
8 years ago

The only main standard seems to be looks.

He’s so right about one detail, and yet sooooooooooooo wrong in his application of that detail. Yes, women are valued primarily by their level of attractiveness, which means that in general, women who do not conform to that standard of attractiveness have no value. And this asshat wants to argue that this is somehow unfair to….men.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

So let’s be smart. Let’s not be driven only by our sexuality. Let’s use our brains more. Let’s hold women up to higher standards.

Of course this will come at a price. (Not finding women [who live up to those standards], being single

So what the hell did he do before this grand revelation? Just cling to the first willing woman?

Joe
Joe
8 years ago

Lol! Hilarious fail by Futrelle.

Futrelle claims that the poster he is commenting on recommended calling women names.
This would work better if he hadn’t put the actual post in – which doesn’t say anything about calling women names, but suggests that men take personality into account as much as looks before interacting with / dating women*.

Which, duh.

It’s pretty much a no brainer. And is also something that teh feminism has been banging on about for ages….

but hey, if an MRA says it – it must be wrong! Amirite, eh? eh?/sarcasm

Honestly, Futrelle, your entire shtick is to troll MRA / men’s rights postings on the web, and THIS is what you unearth???

*I learned to do this from experience. Instead of jumping into things before I know someone; taking a date or two to get to know them, and choosing not to date e.g. violent, flaky, egotistical or neurotic girls – instead dating fairly stable, somewhat kind, gentle natured girls = winning. 🙂

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Wow, Joe, thanks for coming here and setting us straight. I have no idea what we’d do without you.

pillowinhell
8 years ago

Gee Joe, your dating advice is just so cutting edge and new! You should stay here and tell us ALLL about it! Because we’ll never figure it out for ourselves!!

Please Joe, tell us more!

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

Futrelle claims that the poster he is commenting on recommended calling women names.
This would work better if he hadn’t put the actual post in – which doesn’t say anything about calling women name

ACTUALLY Futrelle didn’t say it had to do with calling women names, but whatever.

Sharculese
8 years ago

hey joe, when you deal with other writers do you whine about people pointing out obvious subtext, or is it only the losers you carry water for?

violent, flaky, egotistical or neurotic girls

absolutely no name-calling going on here. my irony detectors are totally not going off right now.

Idylle
Idylle
8 years ago

Joe, take a look at the title; “It’s men’s responsibility to hold women up to higher standards.” This is no different from several MRAs on the Internet telling women to “be grateful for the rights WE gave you. Now back to the kitchen, bitches.”
No. Fucking no. Feminists fought for those rights, they didn’t sit around waiting for people to listen to them. These rights were also no one’s to hand out – just as the standards for being who we are and living the way we choose to are not these Redditors’ to dictate. To suggest that they’re not being little more than condescending is disingenuous of you.

Sharculese
8 years ago

joe, i know that you think reading past literal meaning is TOTALLY NOT FAIR AND SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT, so i should probably give you a heads up and explain that that last part was sarcasm

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

The irony if osaap’s post is that it contains a kernel of truth: let’s stop judging women by purely superficial means and place more value on their personalities. Of course they go about ass backwards, and somehow manage to blame women for the fact that some men are so looks driven.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

Futrelle claims that the poster he is commenting on recommended calling women names.
This would work better if he hadn’t put the actual post in – which doesn’t say anything about calling women names, but suggests that men take personality into account as much as looks before interacting with / dating women*.

I`ve seen my fair share of misogynistic bullshit from MRAs speweed under the guise of `holding women accountable`. And it inevitably involves lots of name-calling and rape apologia.

ragefromthebasement
8 years ago

@Joe

The Spearhead called, they’re missing a douche.

Sharculese
8 years ago

this is an interesting twist tho. normally we get mras whining about how things are taken out of context. joe here wants to whine about how david included the context.

AlexB
AlexB
8 years ago

I think this is interesting! Joe’s interpretation seems to be that the poster meant that you can “hold women to higher standards” by simply not dating them if they’re not kind or thoughtful etc.

The implications of that are that the poster believes women in general would notice and actually care if MRAs refuse to date them, and that this would change their sense of “self entitlement.” We might be kidding ourselves that being ignored by douchebags would be pretty great, but actually we’d all be really sorry and become submissive doormats.

The other implication is that it’s completely normal in MRAland to date people you do not think are kind or thoughtful etc.

Actually, I think the guy could have meant that, and everyone missed his meaning because no one shares the implicit assumption that not being sexually approached by MRAs is a bad thing that would make women sad.

Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Personally I think the title’s a distraction from the real hilarity, which is that osaap thinks men are magically immune to the same cultural forces as women but are helpless before the villainy of pretty women bcuz dick throbs.

Also I bet you dollars to donuts MRAs are reading it right now thinking “oh, so now Futrelle thinks women who behave badly shouldn’t ever be criticized!” while ignoring the bullshit misogynist assumption that women in general behave badly bcuz dick throbs (completely erasing women who aren’t conventionally attractive).

Not that I think their foolishness could be remedied by our clarity, I just enjoy chortling at the thought that there’s nothing they can’t interpret favorably to themselves.

Sharculese
8 years ago

yeah, tulgely, mras are only now concluding that the the dude they call “dave ‘the knave’ fruit-trelle” thinks women should never be criticized

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
8 years ago

@ Missy – But I thought I was also supposed to give sex on demand to any random man that whined about how oppressed he is when I don’t give his particular self sex on demand? Because otherwise MISANDRY? I AM SO CONFUSED.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

…And now, having typed that list of adjectives twice, I see they can all be translated as “being more providing of the sex on demand.” Got it.

Well, not just that. Also:

-Being willing to raise children totally unassisted–aborting, not-aborting, surrendering custody, or assuming custody as the father desires.
-Cleaning the house and doing the shopping and cooking the meals every day.
-Obviously, not asking men for any of their money or time to help with the above, and definitely not asking for room and board while doing the above.
-Taking only lady-appropriate jobs, and then cheerfully helping the men at their workplaces, while never asking for raises or promotions or any changes in how they’re treated.
-Being giving and gracious with every man who asks them for dates/sex, no matter how he asks.
-Never, ever, ever complaining about their status or treatment, or even seeming to have observed their status or treatment.

See how many things women have failed to do? We really are terrible!

Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

I know, sharkules, but haven’t you noticed how Antsy et al love to treat the latest manboobzic target for their indignation as some grand and atrocious novelty?

Maybe I’m imagining things, but that’s how I’ve grown to think of how they think.

nwoslave
8 years ago

@Cliff Pervocracy
“How do these guys think women pay rent?”
What? You think when a man pays for a womans rent it’s cause they’re buddies? How often do ya think men pay for other men’s rent?
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“How do they think we make friends?”
I dunno, but since we’re told women are so much more social it must come natural.
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“How do they think we raise children?”
We? As in women only? My, my. A bit full of ourselves aren’t, “we.” Women always seem to do so much more. “We,” as in men get told it every day.
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“(That’s a joke, of course. Really, I’m sex-bribing a man into typing this for me.)”
Women using sex and gender for bribery, coercion, deception, profit? Why that’s unheard of. It never happens.
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@pillowinhell
“Yes there are a lot of men who only value women for their looks. It always amazes me though, that when MRAs actually see the real problem or issue they immediately veer off into exactly the wrong solution to the problem.”

So the problem lie’s with men, not with women? Look at how women dress as oppossed to men. Men wear loose fitting T-shirts with sleeves. Women’s shirts are sleeveless, super tight, lotsa cleavage. Pants; mens are again loose fitting, women’s are painted on. Short’s; mens usually go down to the knees or more and are loose fitting. Women’s are way shorter and way tighter. Women’s dresses would make a prostitute from the 60s blush. Make-up, perfume, jewelry, high heels clakity clacking away. Look at me! Look at me!

Wouldn’t the solution be to teach women/girls not to act like animals in heat. Not to use sex and gender as an instrument of coersion, enticement? Of course that would mean women aren’t blameless, and we can’t have that.
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@Pecunium
“never have sex with anyone but, “The Right Man”
As oppossed to fuck lotsa men and leave them?
“don’t tease men by being hot in public”
As oppossed to being loyal and hot for one man?
“take care of the kids, the house”
As oppossed to not doing either?
“be self-supporting”
As oppossed to using sex/gender to skate thru life?
“be able to maintain a decent conversation”
As oppossed to yesterdays thread of saying fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck?
“never divorce”
As oppossed to getting divorced if you’re bored? Women #1 excuse.
“never complain”
As oppossed to always bitching and being a drama queen?

What are men thinking?
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@karalora
“But does anyone think for one second that these guys would give the time of day to a kind, thoughtful, generous, giving, self-sacrificing, compassionate woman who wasn’t also centerfold material? Because I highly doubt it.”

In order to find out wouldn’t women need to be all those fine qualities? Or is it assumed they already are? Why would you doubt it? How have you already reached that conclusion?
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@AlexB
“they likely have women laughing at their bad jokes, listening to their boring stories and pretending to be interested in their dumbass opinions, smiling and going along with it when they say something shitty and obnoxious”

Men must need to brush up on their entertainment value when engaging women in conversation. And try to keep their dumbass opinions to themselves, as well as being less shitty and obnoxious.
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“allowing them to mansplain stuff the woman knows more about, refraining from criticising them or finding the most tactful possible way to express criticism when there isn’t an alternative, and expressing concern if they’re upset”

Men need to stop mansplaining cause women already know more. Walk on eggshells if you must criticize. Express concern if a woman is upset reguardless of the circumstances.
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Man = bad. Woman = perfect.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

Look, David, either women are good, or women are bad. Freakin’ pick one already.

Flip-floppin’ hypocrite, can’t even decide whether he agrees with all women all the time or not.

Sharculese
8 years ago

owlslave, how come you never respond to me anymore. 🙁 is it ’cause i keep calling you a coward?

Bee
Bee
8 years ago

Wasn’t Welmer “white knighting” with his original article about women over 25? Because if the point wasn’t that Welmer was giving advice out of the goodness of his heart to young women to help prevent them from wasting their entire lives as we all agree that unmarried women over 25 are totally doing, then I don’t know what the point was.

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