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The Spearhead’s W.F. Price uses the death of 22-year-old Marina Keegan to argue that “after 25, women are just wasting time.”

Marina Keegan

A talented journalist, playwright and activist died last weekend in a car crash shortly after graduating from Yale. Marina Keegan was 22. Before she died, she wrote an essay for the Yale Daily News urging her classmates to keep alive the sense of possibility they brought with them when they first arrived at college:

We’re so young. We’re so young. We’re twenty-two years old. We have so much time. There’s this sentiment I sometimes sense, creeping in our collective conscious as we lay alone after a party, or pack up our books when we give in and go out – that it is somehow too late. That others are somehow ahead. More accomplished, more specialized. More on the path to somehow saving the world, somehow creating or inventing or improving. …

What we have to remember is that we can still do anything. We can change our minds. We can start over. Get a post-bac or try writing for the first time. … We’re so young. We can’t, we MUST not lose this sense of possibility because in the end, it’s all we have.

Over on the Spearhead,  W.F. Price notes her death, and quotes these words, and more, from her essay. His point? That she was wrong.

By the time you hit 25 or so – just three years out of college – your life is pretty much set, he argues, and “your future can be fairly well predicted by your life at that point.” And this apparently goes double for women. Price titles his post: “After 25, Women Are Just Wasting Time.”

And why is that? Because if they’re not married to a good earner by then, or at least with the guy they plan to settle down with, they’re fucked. While an “average girl,” as Price puts it, should have snagged her future husband by age 21, non-average college girls buy themselves only a few more years.

As Price explains it:

Four years of college buys women precious little time in the mating market. … I’d guess … about exactly as much time as it takes for them to complete it, because their pool of future mates tends to go through the same process … That’s to say that she has her best shot to land a good match up to perhaps 25.

There are a few, well, let’s just call them plot holes in Price’s story here, but let’s hear him out:

The problem with young women today is that they internalize this “anything is possible” attitude and don’t lose it until it really is too late for many of them. They think they can do better at 30 than at 22, which, in most cases, is simply wrong. Some might say that family and men are not a priority for these girls, but women for whom this is really true throughout life are an insignificant minority. In fact, most women are holding out precisely because they think they can get a better man later, perhaps when they have a better job and work with more powerful men.

But these girls are not going to change fundamentally, and in their early 20s are at the peak of their beauty while still retaining an innocent charm. Nothing about their looks or personality is going to make them more appealing at 30 than at 22, and the men available to them are not going to get any better, either….

The point is that neither men nor women change fundamentally past a certain point, and the same guys young women have available in their early 20s are generally the same guys that will be available at 30, only they will be older and, due to marriage, there will be far fewer of them.

Yep, we’re back to the hoary old story of the bad boy cock carousel once again. Better grab hold of a good hearted beta while the getting is good, ladies – because by the time you finish off your slutty dalliances with the bad boy alphas your looks will be gone and no man (alpha or beta) will want to have anything to do with you.

Price continues, cranking the melodrama up to eleven:

Time tends to accelerate past a certain age, and the 25-year old woman soon finds herself 30, and then 35, and at that point she’s got precious little of it left. Perhaps at 22 she was laughing about the “comical” notion that it could ever be too late, but after a certain point it is no longer comedy, but tragedy, and her laughter turns to tears.

Now, none of this is original, and none of it is true. What’s interesting is just how badly misogynistic manospherians want it to be true. They must, because they tell this same story to themselves over and over and over, like small children requesting their parents to read their favorite bedtime story “again!” They (the misogynists, not the children) love the idea that the women who turned them down – or who, at the very least, rejected their brand of patronizing patriarchy – will get their comeuppance in the end, the more humiliating, the better.

Price at least pretends to care about the women he’s trying to scare straight (into marriage). But some of the commenters on his site can’t be bothered to contain their glee at the notion of spurned thirtysomething women collapsing into tears.

The Contrarian Expatriate turns on the sarcasm:

But why shouldn’t women feel this way? Women “can have it all.” They are “fabulous.” Women rule. Women first. Women are 20 when they’re 30, and 30 when their 40. Women, women, women.

Screech, crash, halt! (Then comes reality when the cuteness wears off and the pounds set in….).

Eximio shares a “shit that never happened” story of a high school reunion he went to:

[M]en do age better than women. I looked around at the women and they all just looked old to me. I could not imagine myself with any of them. They had lost whatever charm they had and I found attractive the last time I had seen them. Almost all of the men that were there with their spouses were with younger women. …

As for the women specifically, while they all seemed old, I noted that the happiest of the lot talked about their family. Some of them were married, some of them divorced, but in both cases they talked about their kids. They were clearly the most fulfilled. Many of the other women than I knew had pursued consuming careers were not at the reunion. Those that were, and who did not have children, had a whiff of pain on their faces. They seemed to be looking around and suddenly forced to face the consequences of their choices.

Or maybe they noticed that a patronizing douche was giving them the once-over, and shot him a dirty look.

Ode apparently finds it all so hilarious he is unable to maintain his balance:

The problem with college today is that it teaches a woman that she has an IQ of 115 so naturally she spends her time chasing after men who she perceives to be her “equal”, the top 15% of the men within society. Or to put it another way, a college educated woman thinks she’s better than 85% of everybody else.

Sorry honey the only thing your degree in liberal arts or communications tells me is that you have IQ above 100. Which means you’re better than the bottom 50% of society. No other conclusions can be made. Of course most women will never understand this. They will spend the rest of their bitter lives believing the reason why they couldn’t get Mr. Right is because men are afraid of a strong and smart women.

Falls over laughing!

Rmaxd offers a somewhat different explanation for Marina Keegan’s optimism; I’m not quite sure I even understand it.

What Mira [sic] is expressing, her not needing a man, that precisely because she doesnt need a man she can get everything she wants, well into her 50′s …

She’s accepted her feminist brainwashed idiocy & tried to turn it into a social norm

Her fantasy entails her getting an education, & competing in cut-throat environments designed for men … which require a male intolerance for anything not rational or logic

All the while her fantasy involves a child as an accessory & strong alpha thug, who’ll rescue her instead of pumping & dumping her to kingdom come …

Her vagina also gives her magical powers to screw over sex hungry beta’s without game, as a backup plan, if the jamaican thugs from her sex tourism never get round to playing captain save-a hoe, when she hits 30 …

Beta’s, a deranged feminists insurance policy, for when her vagina no longer cashes cheques she cant write …

Our old pal JeremiahMRA (a.k.a. Things Are Bad) suggests, in a series of comments, that we should push the whole timetable up a few years, forcing girls to get married to whomever their fathers say shortly after puberty. No, really, that’s his actual argument:

Honestly women shouldn’t be going to college at all. It’s a complete waste and takes away from people who can actually get something from education: men. The only reason they do it is to inflate their egos….

[I]t’s more accurate that after puberty, women are just wasting time. Wasting time slutting around, going to school, working, when they should be getting married to whomever their fathers say and having children, which is really all women are good at.

Today women choose mates based solely on lust and greed. Women don’t love, the only thing they love is getting fucked hard and being provided for by a man or the government. This is why in any sane (patriarchal) society a girl’s father decides who she is to marry.

Lovely.

Most of these comments got dozens of upvotes, with only a handful of downvotes. Jeremiah’s comments, a bit reactionary even for The Spearhead, got more than a few downvotes, but still only a fraction as many as the upvotes they got. Only Rmaxd got more downvotes than up, perhaps because his comments made no fucking sense.

So nice that The Spearheaders have taken the time from their day to honor the memory of a promising writer whose life was cut short.

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jumbofish
12 years ago

don’t like that on the sidebar at all.

ahaha you are weird, did you comment just to say that?

What a tragedy. I hope her parents – and Yale University – sue The Spearhead. For further emotional distress. But that’s probably not possible

Thats probably not going to happen, I doubt her parents even know and I think its best they don’t know.

If anyone has time…who is W.F. Price? Is his name Welmer? Is he one of the few who’s not anonymous? What’s his deal? Mail order bride?

He is a mra known for misogynist spouting. Did you check any part of this site before commenting? or are you a troll? XD

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
12 years ago

If anyone knows about productivity, it`s MRAs…yep…

I just read that the Reddit MRAs have created another shitty subreddit, this one for “MRA Activism”. Because apparently the first one wasn`t producing enough bullshit.

katz
12 years ago

Wait, where was the scented candle rant? Can someone link me to it?

We’re well on our way to building a den of misandry if we wanted to: hard chairs, scented candles, fringed American flags…

gelar
gelar
12 years ago

The sidebar pictures are so clear! I can just smell the hatred. It smells like cinnamon.

Magpie
Magpie
12 years ago

Scented candles can be misogyny, too. A story. Forgetful cat lady lights candle, leaves room. Cat jumps on table and knocks over candle, setting fire to tablecloth. Disaster! The moral to the story? buggered if I know 😉

Nanasha
Nanasha
12 years ago

@Magpie: Speaking of cats- they are the ULTIMATE MISOGYNY, don’t you know? After all, cats are magical controlling creatures of evilz.

“Then cat rang his own bell…..I ate food….”

As spiteful and needy and neurotic as cats can be, I think I’d prefer a hundred years dancing to that bell than an hour at the beck and call of one of these abusive MRAs.

At least cats can purr.

ronalon42
12 years ago

Discordia on the previous page quoted the Scented Candles rant. It’s pretty special.

Newbie
Newbie
12 years ago

The sidebar has already been changed. It was the woman in the bathtub with the lit candles I objected to. Only because…I really despise romantic comedies (guess what MRAs – not all women everywhere love & only watch romantic comedies constantly) and every time I watch one there always seems to be a scene where the female lead is shown relaxing in the tub with lit candles. Very stereotypical and then I roll my eyes in irritation.

But I do love the Yankee Candle. I’m looking at two brand new small ones right now – Midnight Jasmine, my favorite.

Too bad MRAs, you evil fucking monsters.

Actually, I didn’t think of this, but her parents and loved ones might find out eventually on the Internet that an article referencing their beautiful girl was on a hate site. Absolutely horrific.

Magpie
Magpie
12 years ago

@ Nanasha – Izzard knows his cats! Cats definitely more fun to live with than MRA’s

Jessay (@jessay)
12 years ago

Wow Cliff. Isn’t it funny how people like that commenter on the spearhead talk about judging people by their character and then act like complete assholes? Yeah, we know people come in all shapes and sizes, and regardless of what you look like, you’re still a bitter asshole, so you’re not even getting a chance at the friend zone. Also note, this is all in a post about women losing their fuckability afte 25. BUT REALLY!

And considering I’m basically a nomad, and have moved from place to place since becoming a legal adult, no, the guys I meet now are not the same guys I met when I was 20… unless I want to meet up with them again. There’s an entire world full of people out there who I haven’t met. Why should I settle at a young age for someone who I just kinda like when the perfect man for me might turn up later? Something tells me the men who agree with this have had so little experience with their preferred sex that they don’t even know what it’s like to settle. It’s draining and miserable. It’s better to be alone with a vibrator and some close friends to keep you company than to be forcing a relationship that isn’t good.

@Discordia I’m pissed at that commenter for getting my hopes up that I might be infertile now. Jesus h christ, what is with people not understanding that EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT and that not everyone shares the same life goals. I like having freedom and only being responsible for myself. It’s awesome. And how does my not wanting kids affect that person? They wants theirs to have more competition for college and jobs or something? IDG what they’re so damn angry at us for. But the scented candle thing is funny. It felt like when comedians mention something random and then tell a really long joke that eventually comes full circle to the random thing they mentioned in the beginning, only if the comedian wasn’t funny and had no idea how to execute a joke. I just picture this person thinking they’re clever like a comedian but completely failing.

http://qkme.me/3pjc4a

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

I want to frisk that scented candles comment, but to do the whole thing will drive me insane (it’s a short trip)

“Let’s see how you feel when you’re 29 and the end of everything possible is right at your doorstep. Hell, lots of women are infertile at 26. Done. You won’t do everything. You won’t be a mother.”

According to Henri Leridon, PhD, an epidemiologist with the French Institute of Health and Medical Research, of women trying to get pregnant, without using fertility drugs or in vitro fertilization:
At age 30
75% will have a conception ending in a live birth within one year
91% will have a conception ending in a live birth within four years.
At age 35
66% will have a conception ending in a live birth within one year
84% will have a conception ending in a live birth within four years.
At age 40
44% will have a conception ending in a live birth within one year
64% will have a conception ending in a live birth within four years.
[Leridon H (2004). “Can assisted reproduction technology compensate for the natural decline in fertility with age? A model assessment”. Human Reproduction 19 (7): 1548–53. DOI:10.1093/humrep/deh304. PMID 15205397.]

Apparently <9% is "lots of women" or something?

"And if that doesn’t bother you, darlin’, you ain’t a woman." — you aren't a woman if you aren't a mother!

"And if your plans are to actually BE a mother (as in do the damn work), you are already in very deep water." — is this an MRA who thinks stay at home and single mothers both do no work? This sentence just makes no sense.

"Your resume will never put his chubby little arms around you and tell you he loves you, like a child will. Your resume will never give you grandchildren, like your children might. Your resume will never share in all your joys, all your sorrows, all your triumphs, all your tragedies, like your husband will." — and again with the conflating marriage with children.

"But you WILL be able to rape that resume of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS over your lifetime. Yay!" — raping paper, interesting, I didn't know a resume had consent… (and if I can anything my resume for "HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS" I'll be damned pleased, painting really doesn't pay)

"The fastest growing consumer product category: scented candles. SCENTED FUCKING CANDLES." — because women like them, and only women, and they're stupid!! (the women, and thus the candles by extension)

"Yes, 26 year old woman, all your education and opportunity and rights have resulted in millions of children raised without fathers, the total destruction of the family, the rise of GIANT ASS government to give all those wymyns a place to work (doing utterly useless shit) and what was it for? What did we gain?" — um…more than scented candles, but dude can't even tell the difference between "fastest growing consumer product category" and "consumer product categories led by women"

"SCENTED FUCKING CANDLES!!" — SCENTED MOTHERFUCKING CANDLES!! Try a lavender one!

"Nicely done, ladies. Really good job." — *bows* (note that I don't usually answer to "ladies" but hey, why not)

"Fuck you, bitch. My daughters are coming for you. And millions of daughters just like mine. We see you, you superficial piece of trash. You have cost us our lives. For patchouli candles." — again with how men go to war for women ehh? So are his daughters going to war, or training to be housewives, or what? And what does this have to do with patchouli candles? (hippies, those damned peace loving hippies)

"You will pay." — you say you aren't violent, that's an interesting way to define violent. I will pay for my scented candles though, shoplifting things you don't need remains ethically wrong.

Wow, I survived snarking at the whole thing, and let me tell you, I am just terrified of the idea of this guy's probably really feminine daughters coming for me (they'd loose, quickly). Also, does "wymyms" look like wyrms to anyone else?

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

I know we moved on forever ago, but I’m still trying to figure out what is the appropriate way for someone to pay for post-secondary. Help from family is Not Okay. Loans (which aren’t just free money, by the way; all or the majority of your loan has to be paid back with interest, because that’s how loans work) are also Not Okay. Do you get a job that fully covers tuition and living expenses and still allows you the time and flexibility to go to class/do your work? Do you work for a few years to build up a big ol’ savings account and then live off of that when you study? Both of those seem super doable and not at all far-fetched! Or maybe you just shouldn’t go to post-secondary at all, because educating our young people is the most grievous social ill plaguing western societies.

Or maybe any and all of those methods of financing your education are okay, as long as you don’t have the audacity to be a woman when you’re using them.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

Aw man, I totally thought I closed that tag!

On another note, scented candle? Fucking X, fucking D.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“Or maybe any and all of those methods of financing your education are okay, as long as you don’t have the audacity to be a woman when you’re using them.” — I think it’s that one.

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

I’m sure this must have been posted before, but it seems appropriate here:

kiki
kiki
12 years ago

I HAVEN’T SEEN THAT MUCH PROJECTION SINCE I WAS LAST AT THE PLANETARIUM.

Not bad, but I like ‘You’re projecting so brightly that on a clear day we could read your subconscious off the surface of the fucking sun.”

Also, “persuagion” = “persuasion” + “contagion”. It’s what happens whenever an MRA convinces someone that he’s right about something.

kiki
kiki
12 years ago

(A very rare phenomenon, to be sure.)

MissPrism
12 years ago

On the plus side, my CV will never need its nappy changing, will never scream if it isn’t allowed to watch the same five minute episode of Abney and Teal eleven times in a row, will never demand that I help with its homework project set one month ago and due tomorrow, and will never slam the door to its festeringly untidy room and yell that it hates me.

I love other people’s kids in moderate doses, but if I think for more than ten seconds about raising my own, I have to pour myself a stiff drink and caress my upper arm right where I can feel the Implanon through the skin.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

Aw, David, you fixed my tag for me! Thanks! Or I just hallucinated that it was messed up in the first place at 3:30 in the morning. New dog = wat is sleep?

darksidecat
darksidecat
12 years ago

We see you, you superficial piece of trash. You have cost us our lives. For patchouli candles.

How does this work? By 1) not marrying a guy or having his babies; 2) having a job; and 3) buying scented candles, you are literally costing men their lives? Or is this another claim that every time a woman refuses to have sex with a man she is symbolically killing him?

CharlotteCollins
CharlotteCollins
12 years ago

You know the scented candles comment was written by a woman, right? Andie is a woman.

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
12 years ago

…a 22 year old Yale graduate with such a list of accomplishments and still feel the need to reassure herself and others like her that they aren’t complete failures for not having done better, sooner? What kind of impossible standards do some young people have for themselves that this (beautifully written but kind of incomprehensible to me) article struck such a chord?

It might be a generational thing as well, as opposed to just a Yale thing? “Why Do Twentysomethings Feel So Old?” got passed around quite a bit on Tumblr a while back. I think the Recession has only added to this feeling–career wise, we’re all playing catchup… or may never do so.

Bostonian
12 years ago

I hate scented candles for myself, they give me headaches, but for those who enjoy them I support their use and feel no need to rant against them. MRAs are both weird and evil for no real reason.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

This hate on for scented candles makes me want to go drop some coin on a couple Dyptique candles.

I think they’re overpriced, but if it’s killing men, I gotta do my part.

cloudiah
12 years ago

@Viscaria Doggie pix pleeeeeeease??? 🙂

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