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The Spearhead’s W.F. Price uses the death of 22-year-old Marina Keegan to argue that “after 25, women are just wasting time.”

Marina Keegan

A talented journalist, playwright and activist died last weekend in a car crash shortly after graduating from Yale. Marina Keegan was 22. Before she died, she wrote an essay for the Yale Daily News urging her classmates to keep alive the sense of possibility they brought with them when they first arrived at college:

We’re so young. We’re so young. We’re twenty-two years old. We have so much time. There’s this sentiment I sometimes sense, creeping in our collective conscious as we lay alone after a party, or pack up our books when we give in and go out – that it is somehow too late. That others are somehow ahead. More accomplished, more specialized. More on the path to somehow saving the world, somehow creating or inventing or improving. …

What we have to remember is that we can still do anything. We can change our minds. We can start over. Get a post-bac or try writing for the first time. … We’re so young. We can’t, we MUST not lose this sense of possibility because in the end, it’s all we have.

Over on the Spearhead,  W.F. Price notes her death, and quotes these words, and more, from her essay. His point? That she was wrong.

By the time you hit 25 or so – just three years out of college – your life is pretty much set, he argues, and “your future can be fairly well predicted by your life at that point.” And this apparently goes double for women. Price titles his post: “After 25, Women Are Just Wasting Time.”

And why is that? Because if they’re not married to a good earner by then, or at least with the guy they plan to settle down with, they’re fucked. While an “average girl,” as Price puts it, should have snagged her future husband by age 21, non-average college girls buy themselves only a few more years.

As Price explains it:

Four years of college buys women precious little time in the mating market. … I’d guess … about exactly as much time as it takes for them to complete it, because their pool of future mates tends to go through the same process … That’s to say that she has her best shot to land a good match up to perhaps 25.

There are a few, well, let’s just call them plot holes in Price’s story here, but let’s hear him out:

The problem with young women today is that they internalize this “anything is possible” attitude and don’t lose it until it really is too late for many of them. They think they can do better at 30 than at 22, which, in most cases, is simply wrong. Some might say that family and men are not a priority for these girls, but women for whom this is really true throughout life are an insignificant minority. In fact, most women are holding out precisely because they think they can get a better man later, perhaps when they have a better job and work with more powerful men.

But these girls are not going to change fundamentally, and in their early 20s are at the peak of their beauty while still retaining an innocent charm. Nothing about their looks or personality is going to make them more appealing at 30 than at 22, and the men available to them are not going to get any better, either….

The point is that neither men nor women change fundamentally past a certain point, and the same guys young women have available in their early 20s are generally the same guys that will be available at 30, only they will be older and, due to marriage, there will be far fewer of them.

Yep, we’re back to the hoary old story of the bad boy cock carousel once again. Better grab hold of a good hearted beta while the getting is good, ladies – because by the time you finish off your slutty dalliances with the bad boy alphas your looks will be gone and no man (alpha or beta) will want to have anything to do with you.

Price continues, cranking the melodrama up to eleven:

Time tends to accelerate past a certain age, and the 25-year old woman soon finds herself 30, and then 35, and at that point she’s got precious little of it left. Perhaps at 22 she was laughing about the “comical” notion that it could ever be too late, but after a certain point it is no longer comedy, but tragedy, and her laughter turns to tears.

Now, none of this is original, and none of it is true. What’s interesting is just how badly misogynistic manospherians want it to be true. They must, because they tell this same story to themselves over and over and over, like small children requesting their parents to read their favorite bedtime story “again!” They (the misogynists, not the children) love the idea that the women who turned them down – or who, at the very least, rejected their brand of patronizing patriarchy – will get their comeuppance in the end, the more humiliating, the better.

Price at least pretends to care about the women he’s trying to scare straight (into marriage). But some of the commenters on his site can’t be bothered to contain their glee at the notion of spurned thirtysomething women collapsing into tears.

The Contrarian Expatriate turns on the sarcasm:

But why shouldn’t women feel this way? Women “can have it all.” They are “fabulous.” Women rule. Women first. Women are 20 when they’re 30, and 30 when their 40. Women, women, women.

Screech, crash, halt! (Then comes reality when the cuteness wears off and the pounds set in….).

Eximio shares a “shit that never happened” story of a high school reunion he went to:

[M]en do age better than women. I looked around at the women and they all just looked old to me. I could not imagine myself with any of them. They had lost whatever charm they had and I found attractive the last time I had seen them. Almost all of the men that were there with their spouses were with younger women. …

As for the women specifically, while they all seemed old, I noted that the happiest of the lot talked about their family. Some of them were married, some of them divorced, but in both cases they talked about their kids. They were clearly the most fulfilled. Many of the other women than I knew had pursued consuming careers were not at the reunion. Those that were, and who did not have children, had a whiff of pain on their faces. They seemed to be looking around and suddenly forced to face the consequences of their choices.

Or maybe they noticed that a patronizing douche was giving them the once-over, and shot him a dirty look.

Ode apparently finds it all so hilarious he is unable to maintain his balance:

The problem with college today is that it teaches a woman that she has an IQ of 115 so naturally she spends her time chasing after men who she perceives to be her “equal”, the top 15% of the men within society. Or to put it another way, a college educated woman thinks she’s better than 85% of everybody else.

Sorry honey the only thing your degree in liberal arts or communications tells me is that you have IQ above 100. Which means you’re better than the bottom 50% of society. No other conclusions can be made. Of course most women will never understand this. They will spend the rest of their bitter lives believing the reason why they couldn’t get Mr. Right is because men are afraid of a strong and smart women.

Falls over laughing!

Rmaxd offers a somewhat different explanation for Marina Keegan’s optimism; I’m not quite sure I even understand it.

What Mira [sic] is expressing, her not needing a man, that precisely because she doesnt need a man she can get everything she wants, well into her 50′s …

She’s accepted her feminist brainwashed idiocy & tried to turn it into a social norm

Her fantasy entails her getting an education, & competing in cut-throat environments designed for men … which require a male intolerance for anything not rational or logic

All the while her fantasy involves a child as an accessory & strong alpha thug, who’ll rescue her instead of pumping & dumping her to kingdom come …

Her vagina also gives her magical powers to screw over sex hungry beta’s without game, as a backup plan, if the jamaican thugs from her sex tourism never get round to playing captain save-a hoe, when she hits 30 …

Beta’s, a deranged feminists insurance policy, for when her vagina no longer cashes cheques she cant write …

Our old pal JeremiahMRA (a.k.a. Things Are Bad) suggests, in a series of comments, that we should push the whole timetable up a few years, forcing girls to get married to whomever their fathers say shortly after puberty. No, really, that’s his actual argument:

Honestly women shouldn’t be going to college at all. It’s a complete waste and takes away from people who can actually get something from education: men. The only reason they do it is to inflate their egos….

[I]t’s more accurate that after puberty, women are just wasting time. Wasting time slutting around, going to school, working, when they should be getting married to whomever their fathers say and having children, which is really all women are good at.

Today women choose mates based solely on lust and greed. Women don’t love, the only thing they love is getting fucked hard and being provided for by a man or the government. This is why in any sane (patriarchal) society a girl’s father decides who she is to marry.

Lovely.

Most of these comments got dozens of upvotes, with only a handful of downvotes. Jeremiah’s comments, a bit reactionary even for The Spearhead, got more than a few downvotes, but still only a fraction as many as the upvotes they got. Only Rmaxd got more downvotes than up, perhaps because his comments made no fucking sense.

So nice that The Spearheaders have taken the time from their day to honor the memory of a promising writer whose life was cut short.

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ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

Not that there would be anything wrong with that!

(Though updating it to ‘angsty young adult’ or something.)

LOL, no, but I’m a much, MUCH happier person now. I’m glad I didn’t stay that way.

And Cliff, holy fuck yes. It was a huge epiphany for me to realize how goddamn LUCKY I am for the relationships that didn’t happen or work out with guys I wanted in my early 20’s. Like, holy ever loving fuck I am so so so glad I didn’t wind up with some of those self-righteous assholes, and as for the rest of the handful of guys I really crushed on, I realize now, in most cases, we were really just not at all well-suited to each other.

Starskita
Starskita
12 years ago

My guess? If you had the chance to ask her, she would say that what you see as a list of accomplishments is merely a list of drafts and first attempts on her way to true accomplishments.

I’d guess something similar. Some people think that if they are not THE BEST at something it doesn’t count. Or if they are not currently doing something impressive it doesn’t count. And they could still be doing more. I’m good at X, but what if I did X and also Y? Or did it better?

For some people, even college is a small pond, and the “real world” is the first time they haven’t been a big fish already.

And some is that if they already did it, it must have been easy and not impressive, I did it therefore it was doable. But things other people do look hard and next to impossible.

Fembot
Fembot
12 years ago

Talking about shitstains has made me all nostalgic.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pj220/

cloudiah
cloudiah
12 years ago

OT, but I am having a hard time wading through a new AVfM post, “Patriarchy is the oppression of men.” After parsing all the hyper-/hypo- words, I believe the author’s basic premise is that the exclusion of women from power is what makes women so powerful; the more excluded women are, the more vulnerable men become.

But I really jumped in because in the comments we see Antz admitting his real purpose here:

What I wish we had is … a tool to say all of this, in a single catchy phrase with a memorable jingle to it. I am each day less interested in understanding, and more interested in tools of persuagion [sic]. Or tools of abrasive irritation, in cases where the real target is not the perceived (feminist) opponent, but neutral third parties watching the melee. Nothing convinces people of the evil of feminism better than goading one of them to go off the deep end and start saying what he or she really thinks …

Antz, you do know that you’re just mildly irritating, right? The kind of chafing that a little baby powder can fix… But let us know when you’ve developed that catchy jingle, okay?

Fembot
Fembot
12 years ago

@Cloudiah

I thought Patriarchy was just a feminist lie. Aren’t we living in a ball busting Matriarchy?

cloudiah
cloudiah
12 years ago

There is no patriarchy, except when there is it oppresses men, not women?

Bostonian
12 years ago

Only feminists never condemn half the population to domestic slavery, no matter what the provocation. MRAs are happy to do so with no provocation at all, so everyone sees just how cruel and inhumane they really are.

Shaenon
12 years ago

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

Seriously Zarat, what “neutral third parties” are seeing is the same thing we see; you lying your ass off and acting like a petty little irritant in an effort to manipulate people’s emotions. You really think you come off well because of this?

jkaupp8
12 years ago

My comments on the comments:

1) Why is disagreeing with a dead person so offensive to this crowd? I thought the author handled it tastefully, “Marina was a much-loved daughter and bright, energetic girl.” Ideas aren’t attached to a person. Once she utters them, they are everyone’s property. Besides, he agreed with the wisdom of one of her points. People can’t take you seriously when you have such strong emotional reactions like he just spit on her grave. The article is on Spearhead. Must be a shitface, right?

2) Most of you missed the nuance of his argument about the amount a person changes. I know this is true because you used examples that he specifically excluded from the process he was describing. “As one gets older, life patterns that were hidden by youth and inexperience start to emerge.” How many comments here said something about how they are so much different than when they were 22(youth) and how they were doing something so much bigger now (experience)?

3) Everyone completely ignored the fact that he applied the same logic towards men and their present/future possession or lack of virtue. Doing so would have dampened your enthusiasm for labeling the men who read this earnestly as misogynists. Obviously, he was more critical of women’s theorized thought processes (it being a piece of speculation from a man), but who can honestly make the argument that women actually increase the chances of meeting the man most of them want by waiting until their thirties to settle down? And if the author is wrong about his theory that these women are deluding themselves, what does explain this phenomenon? I don’t fault women for the weird modern circumstances. I can only fault them for not having the courage to question the status quo when they may not feel it is right for them.

4) Trying to browbeat men into feeling bad that they find a woman’s age,attractiveness and mating capacity as important is a lost cause. We objectify you. Always have, always will. That doesn’t make men villains. It’s hard for me to believe most of you read this article. If you did, it only was while wearing your reactionary feminist reading glasses on. All the author had to do was make one line about a majority of women wanting a family and it’s a stream of gripes how men are being oppressive and disrespect your work life. Can you concede an obviously true premise ever? Or does every single word a man says about work, sex, and family just have to be combated with feminist talking points?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Antz’s plan to goad us into going off the deep end isn’t going too well so far, partly because we don’t believe the things that he thinks we do, but also partly because you have to understand people in order to goad them effectively. He fires so many arrows, and yet none of them hit the intended target.

Hesster
Hesster
12 years ago

Boy, just when you think MRAs have reached the lowest depths of douchebaggieness, they somehow find a way to dig their way even deeper.

I’m single at 37 with no kids and two cats. Guess that makes me a dried up spinster cat lady, doesn’t it?

Sharculese
12 years ago

about the cost of postponing the moment when they define their identity.

antz, congratulations on sinking to a new level of incoherent gibberish

this post is an enormous lie.

that is definitely something you know a lot about.

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

A revealing bit of projection from Spearhead commenter Opus:

oh – and she is good at sex now too – well that at least is a relief. – and she reached 26 without being dumped by her bf (do women ever get dumped?) – sounds as if she is a wee bit desparate to me.

I can well imagine that these men are so desperate that they’d never dream of dumping anyone who was even the tiniest bit inclined to have sex with them – but do they really truly believe that no woman has ever been dumped ever? Have they never so much as had a conversation with a woman who wasn’t on the other side of a deli counter?

Sharculese
12 years ago

@shaenon

THANK YOU! ive been trying to remember what episode that line was from for like five days now

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

Do women ever get dumped?

…The answer to that is 🙁

The other answer is “great, another fucking no-win situation,” because if my boyfriend dumps me that proves I’m terrible, and if my boyfriend doesn’t dump me that only proves he’s too powerless to dump his terrible girlfriend.

ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

Cliff, except for the part where if you’re happy and together, you and your boyfriend both win, and MRAs can go fuck themselves.

Not that this proves anything, but I gotta say, for me, so far, 27 is looking hella better than 26.

swankivy
12 years ago

Ah yes. When a young woman’s life is cut tragically short, it’s sage and insightful to suggest that her death is a symbol for all women’s lives being quite literally OVER well before they’re thirty. The ironic and insightful commentary this woman left to the world is better served promoting your belief that women are Wrong About Everything. This observation and wild generalization will be a wonderful way to bring home a point about the uselessness of women and how naïve they are to believe their lives have meaning beyond the time when men seem to find them the most attractive.

Remember, ladies. You too could die like this woman thinking you still have your whole life ahead of you, and you too might be wrong about that. So you’d better get busy marrying an asshole. It’s not like male people ever die long before they’ve fulfilled what they consider to be their purpose in life.

Pear_tree
Pear_tree
12 years ago

One of the comments said

If men had the exact same privilege women have now … lets just we wouldnt have a black president in the white house … & we’d be sending mexicans to china …

From an MRA point of view, is that a good or a bad thing? Being just an illogical woman, I really don’t get that argument.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Pear_tree, that makes no sense and is racist to boot. What, men can’t vote now?

Discordia
12 years ago

all I can ay to that comment is:

????????????? the hell?!

Discordia
12 years ago

all right I have been masochisticly reading the comments and this one is making my blood boil:

Let’s see how you feel when you’re 29 and the end of everything possible is right at your doorstep. Hell, lots of women are infertile at 26. Done. You won’t do everything. You won’t be a mother.

And if that doesn’t bother you, darlin’, you ain’t a woman.

And if your plans are to actually BE a mother (as in do the damn work), you are already in very deep water.

Your resume will never put his chubby little arms around you and tell you he loves you, like a child will. Your resume will never give you grandchildren, like your children might. Your resume will never share in all your joys, all your sorrows, all your triumphs, all your tragedies, like your husband will.

But you WILL be able to rape that resume of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS over your lifetime. Yay!

The fastest growing consumer product category: scented candles. SCENTED FUCKING CANDLES.

Yes, 26 year old woman, all your education and opportunity and rights have resulted in millions of children raised without fathers, the total destruction of the family, the rise of GIANT ASS government to give all those wymyns a place to work (doing utterly useless shit) and what was it for? What did we gain?

SCENTED FUCKING CANDLES!!

Nicely done, ladies. Really good job.

Fuck you, bitch. My daughters are coming for you. And millions of daughters just like mine. We see you, you superficial piece of trash. You have cost us our lives. For patchouli candles.

You will pay.

The fuck so if someone doesn’t really want kids they aren’t a woman?!?!? and having a rewarding career is completly meaningless and is actually ruining society?! and what the fuck is this about scented candles?

Runic
Runic
12 years ago

I can understand why Price thinks that people don’t change after twenty, because he and his crew don’t seem to have matured past the age of ten. They really seem to view the world exclusively in terms of themselves, and they view women in particular in terms of how they can bring themselves pleasure and material gain. They are so dedicated to this selfish worldview that they have actually convinced themselves that women don’t have any inner lives at all. It’s amazing, but not in a good way.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Discordia, that comment pissed me off too. Mr. you’re not a woman if you don’t have kids can kiss my 40-year-old-no-kid-having ass at high noon in the town square.

The really scary part? That assbag has daughters.

Discordia
12 years ago

yeah its scary that these people are brainwashing their kids with this hateful nonsence..”love” the threat in you will pay too…how are these people NOT a hate group.

heh and what the hell is wrong with scented candles?

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