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The cold hard truth about loose vaginas

Over on Reddit, an MRA named AryoBarzan sets the feminist slut ladies straight on the BIOTRUTH about their ever-growing and FAR less pleasurable vaginas. (Ignore the rude person replying to his message; clearly Aryo is the real penis and vagina expert here.)

 

 

Wait, you say to yourself, how is it that this bold truth-teller is being downvoted, on Reddit? He posted in the antimensrights subreddit, that’s why. In the Men’s Rights subreddit he normally gets the upvotes he so richly deserves.

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Protagoras
9 years ago

@Morkais, obviously it breaks down at the extreme of zero sex; the inverse correlation holds through most of the range of people who have at least some sex. Oddly, there’s not much sign of it breaking down at the other extreme; for example, research on prostitutes in developed countries regularly finds them to have substantially lower STD rates than the general population, and so not to be a significant factor in STD transmission in those countries, contrary to their reputation. That pattern seems especially likely to be different in third world countries, though I haven’t actually encountered much solid research on prostitutes and STDs in the third world so I can’t say for sure about that.

glasgow sex worker
9 years ago

@Protagoras, I will love you for all time in return for a link or two to those studies. I know should really just google them myself but I’ve spent all day locating and then unpicking the legalese of Scottish law on human trafficking, and I might expire if faced with navigating another unfamiliar discipline …

Seraph
Seraph
9 years ago

I’m sorry, but I don’t see how that’s not just incredibly unpleasant for both parties. Isn’t there like, mad friction for the dude too?

It varies, and there are degrees, but yes, if a vagina is tight and dry enough, it can be seriously uncomfortable to try and insert a penis into it.

Which may be irrelevant. MRA’s seem to measure sexual success in terms of conquest, not pleasure.

Seraph
Seraph
9 years ago

@ Viscaria – Yeah, sounds like an all-around asshole. Well rid of him.

ithiliana
9 years ago

I do not know about rate of STDs, but the studies have shown a clear correlation between teenage pregnancy stats and whether or not states are abstinence only education:

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/10/461402/teen-pregnancy-sex-education/

By not teaching teenagers about safe sex, birth control, etc., that means that the pregnancy rates increase.

Texas is not only third in teen pregnancies, but FIRST in repeat teen pregnancies (teens having a second child): http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/mar/07/gail-collins/new-york-times-columnist-gail-collins-say-texas-ra/

Yup, that abstinence only method really really works……………………NOT.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
9 years ago

My abstinence teacher came into class on the first day and told us a heartwarming tale about the power of True Love and Not Doing The Icky Bad Thing until you were married, and how glad she was that her choice to remain abstinent gave her lots of options in life until she got married. Her husband gave her HPV or something, but that was besides the point.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Wheee for delayed catching up! /sarcasm

Crumbelievable — I imagine “he`s being being subjected to “mad shaming” by the feminists” means “shaming like mad” but I read that as “shaming of the mad” (mad meaning mentally ill here) and wanted to note that feminists are generally pretty good about not being ableist, or at least knowing when to STFU&L (& listen).

Cliff // re: evo-psych — “It’s kind of sadly hilarious in terms of humans’ no-medical-care-no-sanitation life expectancies.” — I don’t recall now if it was a philosopher professor, or book for class, but I took a philosophy course that sort of touched on the BS of ev-psych (more just how most people fuck up survival of the fittest). But if you have two islands with hippos, and one gets completely killed by a volcano or something, the other will be the genes that survive, not because they’re more fit, but because evolution is not that simple. They don’t listen though, last time I tried telling an ev-psych fan that ability to successfully defend against sabre-tooth tigers would also make a difference, I got told to read some ev-psych book >.< (I think that was Vindicare, though I'm not sure).

I'm also amused ev-psych is so obsessed with sex, when things like language might actually be worth their time (and the cost of the degree!)

To whomever suggested these men can't label female anatomy — the guys in my HS health class couldn't label their own anatomy. So yeah, wouldn’t surprise me any if female anatomy is a mystery to them. (Plenty of the girls couldn’t label all their anatomy either, but they did better overall, or so it seemed at least.) — That is anecdotal data about 16 year olds though, so apply salt to it.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
9 years ago

Protagoras: I was being silly. 😉 Interesting stuff about it not falling down at the other end, though.

OSHIII
OSHIII
9 years ago

I suppose he JOs all the time with a deathgrip, then gets pissed because when he has sex with a woman, she’s got a vagina between her legs instead of a greased-up fist, and he’s possibly got a desensitized wang.

darksidecat
9 years ago

Evo-psych theories are also so incredibly culturally specific. Not only do they assume the views and habits of a few specific cultures are universal to all cultures, they assume the views and habits of a specific class within that narrow group of cultures applies to everyone.

I can’t even make evopsych notions look sensible as applied to the culture I grew up in, rural Appalachian US. Let alone trying to actually apply it to non-European dominated cultures, migratory cultures, etc.

The only way a person could see evopsych as making sense is if they have no grasp on anthropology, biology, or history as well as being class privileged cis hetero westerners.

Fembot
Fembot
9 years ago

I’m having WAY too much fun with this.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3piixr/

Fembot
Fembot
9 years ago

I’ll stay on topic here.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pij2d/

Protagoras
9 years ago

GSW, here’s a news story about a typical Dutch study:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/06/24/us-diseases-swingers-idUSTRE65N51U20100624

It focuses on the high rate among swingers, but the mentioned low rate among prostitutes is typical of all the studies I’ve encountered. I know there have been a lot of pretty thorough Australian studies, and some in Canada, but I’m afraid I don’t have links handy. The legal situation in the U.S. is different from that in the Netherlands, and also different from that in Canada or Australia, but the various studies I’ve seen have never shown that to make much difference (the legal situation is different in different parts of Australia, but the Australian studies which compared regions haven’t found the legal differences to have noticable effects).

Nanasha
Nanasha
9 years ago

RE: STDs conversation-

I think it has a LOT more to do with how many partners you actually trust and who have a history of using protection than the sheer number of partners you’ve had sex with.

For example, a person has 10 sex partners who all use condoms responsibly and who get STD testing on a regular basis, is far less likely to get infected with an STD.

On the other hand, a person who has 1 sex partner who has had a history of having tons of sex without using condoms and not knowing their partners very well is probably REALLY LIKELY to get infected with an STD (especially if said 1 sex partner puts the pressure on them to not use protection of any kind).

Obviously, these are the extremes here, but the bottom line (at least for me) is that I personally would like to not engage in any one-night stand sorts of casual sex, or indeed, any sex that involves genitals that involves not really knowing my sex partner’s history at all.

Completely forgetting the whole “my sexual organs do not like to orgasm in the presence of strangers” thing, the health risks are far more concerning to me than the possibility of feeling good in sexual play with someone I don’t know is even good at reciprocation.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

Crumbelievable — I imagine “he`s being being subjected to “mad shaming” by the feminists” means “shaming like mad” but I read that as “shaming of the mad” (mad meaning mentally ill here) and wanted to note that feminists are generally pretty good about not being ableist, or at least knowing when to STFU&L (& listen).

No, I think he`s literally saying that he`s being shamed for being angry. He goes on to say that his anger is proof of his oppression because oppressed people are always mad (I guess that means white people are oppressed because white supremacists are pretty angry people)

Jessay (@jessay)
9 years ago

That spearhead article is so silly. It’s as if the author believes that marriage means you miraculously stop aging or something.

If you get married between 18-25, your partner is still going to get older, meaning at 30-35 you’re gonna be with an older person anyways, only it’s likely that the person you married really young has changed so drastically that you are now stuck in a relationship with someone who you no longer love. I am all for waiting for marriage until you’re at least in you mid-20s just because of all the change you go through as a teen and young adult. The ideas I had about life even just two years ago were so different than the ones I have now. Had I married the first guy I thought I loved it would’ve probably happened that we became completely different people and would have grown apart. Plus I would’ve had no contrasting experiences to determine what I actually wanted in a partner.

It just sounds like that author is saying, “Settle young because nobody is gonna want you when you’re 30.” So then how is that marriage gonna be at 30? Two people not wanting each other but being together because they have a legal document binding them?

BTW, 30 IS NOT THAT OLD! It’s as if a 10 year old wrote that article. I know I thought 30 year olds looked crazy old as a kid, but now that I’m in the latter half of my 20’s, 30 still looks pretty good.

Dvärghundspossen
9 years ago

Assuming for the sake of argument that the absurd vagina theory is true and they really get loosened up by lots of sex, and assuming too for the sake of argument that het guys only want a vagina as tight as possible when looking for a partner, they should obviously try to find a virgin first. If they don’t find one, the second best choice would be to hit on girls who have been single for most of their adult life – EVEN if they’re promiscuous sluts. Because, seriously, a single slut probably have sex like once a month or so on average. That’s only twelve intercourses a year. The worst choice would be to hit on women who have been in long-term relationships – that’s when you really get your level of intercourse up! If a girl lives close to her boyfriend or even lives with him, they’re probably gonna have sex somewhere between once a day and once a week – that’s FAR more often than the single slut.

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
9 years ago

That guy probably just has a little dick.

glasgow sex worker
9 years ago

Thank you, Protagoras! x

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

That guy probably just has a little dick.

And Ruby inflicts her wisdom on us yet again. Thanks Ruby! I’m sure that’s the reason!

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

*facepalm*

Ruby, are done pretending you’re not trolling no?

lauralot89
9 years ago

What do you want to bet Ruby comes back with some “science” proving that the guy has a small dick?

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

Ruby seems to have an ongoing problem with saying “no, silly MRAs, a different sexist stereotype is true!”

Sharculese
9 years ago

@lauralot

nah, it’s gonna be more whining about how ‘extremists’ cant handle how totally original and not pc she is

ruby is just maggie without the prentiousness

Sharculese
9 years ago

*pretentiousness

lauralot89
9 years ago

Could we trade Ruby to have magdelyn come back? She was annoying in a more entertaining way.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Ruby — we already had a tiny dick joke, and people saying to can it. LBT — “Yes, yes, a tiny dick joke. You’re very funny and original and not at all acting like a douche. Now can it.”

Crumbelievable — “No, I think he`s literally saying that he`s being shamed for being angry. He goes on to say that his anger is proof of his oppression because oppressed people are always mad (I guess that means white people are oppressed because white supremacists are pretty angry people)”

By that logic wouldn’t everyone always be mad? Because you’re right, white supremacists are angry people. He nearly has a point even, if he’s complaining that feminists don’t like he just being randomly angry, though he’s missed the difference between being angry and acting threatening because he’s angry. (Big surprise, I know)

Sharculese
9 years ago

ruby doesnt read other peoples posts except to complain about how unfair were being to her

Fembot
Fembot
9 years ago

I love this blog. You guys/gals are cool.

Fembot
Fembot
9 years ago

: )

Pecunium
9 years ago

cloudiah: Did some kind of troll alarm clock just go off? First Emma the Emo pops up on a moribund thread, and now DYOR feels the need to contribute nothing to the discussion here…

Which one?

ABNOY
ABNOY
9 years ago

Actually, in the Wider World comprised of the Rest of Humanity, Ruby’s viewpoint is really the standard, and as a general rule, what the average lheterosexual woman anywhere really wants, sexually speaking, is massive phallus and/or tongue. True, ginormous genitals are not the only thing for a male to be able to score a conquest, but they are a sure thing indeed…

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

ABNOY: Are you saying that in the general non-feminist population there is a lot of sexism? Oh gosh, say it ain’t so!
However, in a feminist space you’re* generally excepted to behave better than that and not shame people for their genitalia, whether it is the type, the shape or the size. Actually you’d need a damn good reason to mention anybody genitalia and not be completely rude.

*general ‘you’ of course. Trolls are mostly expected to to wish or threaten rape, murder, cancer, death and generally pain.

LBT
LBT
9 years ago

RE: ABNOY

*raises eyebrow* You realize I am expected to PUT that massive phallus into me, don’t you? You realize I am not, in fact, made of elastic, yes?

I don’t know where this asinine trope that straight women overwhelmingly love large dicks come from, but I’d wish it’d go away. I highly doubt I’m unusual for having physical limitations.

–Miranda

LBT
LBT
9 years ago

Also, I’m supposed to be attracted to giant tongues? I had no idea! *rolls eyes*

–Miranda

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

ABNOY “Ehhh, how would you know, where you ever a heterosexual boy?

“what the average lheterosexual woman anywhere really wants, sexually speaking,”

So… when is the last time you were a straight woman?

Sexy!

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Between ABNOY and Ruby, the dumb is about to cause a singularity and suck us all in.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
9 years ago

what the average lheterosexual woman anywhere really wants, sexually speaking, is massive phallus and/or tongue

I’ve met ‘size queens’ who obviously had no interest in me because I’m on the lowest end of the average range (about 5 1/2 inches.. .TMI!) but the reason why I remember them is because *there’s so few of them*! And in any case quite a lot of them are quite content with men using a strap-on penis extension toy.

Do you know who love a large phallus? Men. The vast majority of rejections I’ve had based on size were from gay or bi men. The vast majority of people who wanted to see big cocks in their pr0n were self-proclaimed hetero men. I could go into the obvious homoerotic currents underlying that, though in reality I believe it’s more about conquest fantasies. Hetero men identify with the male actors, and they fantasize about having a large penis because of misogynistic desires to ‘ravage’ women.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
9 years ago

As for big tongues, seriously? If there’s one time where size doesn’t matter, it’s during a cunnilingus. Try agility, creativity, possibly gentleness/patience depending on individual taste. Size? Why would size matter here?

LBT
LBT
9 years ago

RE: BlackBloc

That’s the lowest end of average? I mean, it’s been a while, but I thought that number WAS roughly the average! (Much as you can be, considering the issues at hand…)

Also, I actually have trouble with porn in general, but I really get sick of DICK EVERYWHAR. And I’m gay, so I’m SUPPOSED to be into that, but I’m like BORING STOP IT.

–Rogan

Polliwog
Polliwog
9 years ago

what the average lheterosexual woman anywhere really wants, sexually speaking, is massive phallus and/or tongue. True, ginormous genitals are not the only thing for a male to be able to score a conquest, but they are a sure thing indeed…

No. What the average heterosexual woman anywhere really wants, sexually speaking, is someone with the body type/penis size/personality/etc. she personally likes. The average heterosexual woman is not actually part of a hivemind, let alone a hivebody, and the things she enjoys and that feel good on her body vary a whole fucking lot from person to person.

Also, the average heterosexual woman probably does not know a guy’s dick size before she decides to do sexy things with him, because the average heterosexual woman more often than not meets men when they both have clothing on. I’m sure there are cases when a woman gets to see a guy’s erect penis before she ever considers having sex with him for the first time, but I’m pretty certain they are vastly outnumbered by cases when the penis doesn’t come out until sex is already in the works.

As for the “massive tongue” thing: hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That is all.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
9 years ago

I’ve heard average is 5 1/2 and 6 1/2, depending on who you ask. Hence ‘the lowest end of average’.

LBT
LBT
9 years ago

RE: BlackBloc

Huh. I heard, like, 5-5.5 myself. But I’m pretty sure official numbers hardly exist…

Oh god I’m talking about penises on the Internet. *buries face in hands*

Canaduck
Canaduck
9 years ago

“ABNOY’s massive tongue theory” = “Having grown up in a world that celebrates male sexuality and treats female sexuality as non-existent or at best, inconvenient to men, and having made zero attempt to think critically about anything past the end of my own nose, I have no concept whatsoever of what women want or enjoy. I’m apparently am also terrible at giving oral, and choose to blame my apparently undersized tongue for that rather than the fact that I’m not trying.”

ABNOY
ABNOY
9 years ago

Durr hurr, if size did not matter at all to women, then why are female sex toys so damn huge? Not to mention, why are there too many women interested in having sex with animals, specifically those with genitalia distinctly larger than humans? And as for the tongue, well, Gene Simmons would disagree with you…

Eric O
Eric O
9 years ago

I’ve had a long argument with this AryoBarzan guy in the comments section of a YouTube video. I have never before encountered such a concentration of stupidity, dishonesty, and hate in one person.

We got in an argument about whether or not feminism is an inherently violent ideology. His argument was basically “OMG Valerie Solanas!!!!11”. He also said that no MRA has committed or advocated violence. When I brought up Tom Ball as a counterexample, who advocated domestic terrorism, AryoBarzan said something to the effect that Ball was completely justified.

This is the sort of Internet person who actually kind of scares me. When an MRA claims that domestic terrorism is justified, it’s hard not to wonder whether or not he genuinely means it.

cloudiah
9 years ago

Durr hurr, if size did not matter at all to women, then why are female sex toys so damn huge? Not to mention, why are there too many women interested in having sex with animals, specifically those with genitalia distinctly larger than humans? And as for the tongue, well, Gene Simmons would disagree with you…

ANNOY, you pack a lot of stupid into relatively few words. I admire your … efficiency?

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

Durr hurr, if size did not matter at all to women, then why are female sex toys so damn huge?

Uh, are they even? Maybe you shouldn’t be watching so much porn, it’s giving you a skewed idea of reality.

Not to mention, why are there too many women interested in having sex with animals, specifically those with genitalia distinctly larger than humans?

Again, porn =/= real life. You may not realize this but you’re kind of giving away your own personal highly specific tastes here. I’m sure I’m not the only one here who really wishes you wouldn’t.

And as for the tongue, well, Gene Simmons would disagree with you…

Omg, and all this time I thought it was the white clown makeup that women were super attracted to! I guess you must be right about all women being attracted to huge tongues thing then. Because that’s not ridiculous at all!

jumbofish
9 years ago

Not to mention, why are there too many women interested in having sex with animals, specifically those with genitalia distinctly larger than humans?

If women are screwing animals its not because they have bigger dicks you dumbass. XDXDXD

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
9 years ago

Durr hurr, if size did not matter at all to women, then why are female sex toys so damn huge?

This is about on par with the 40 Y-O Virgin’s famous scene where he tries to make it seem like he’s had sex and talks about how breasts feel like bag of sands. It just demonstrates to most people that you’ve basically never interacted with ‘female sex toys’.

What are ‘female sex toys’ anyway? Gonna let you in on a little secret: lots of men shoving dildos up their ass. If anything, I’d say the hugest shit tends to be something men buys, while women are quite happy with tiny vibrating eggs. You DO know that many many more women come from clitoral stimulation and could care less about penetrative toys, right?

Not to mention, why are there too many women interested in having sex with animals, specifically those with genitalia distinctly larger than humans?

Your porn fantasies are not reality dude.