Well, this is … interesting. So JohnTheOther has plopped out another rambling diatribe about evil feminists. This time he accuses them not only of “attacking male sexuality” but also (if I’m reading him correctly) of being a bunch of evil homophobes jealous that some men don’t want to have sex with women. You read this and tell me what you think he’s implying here:
Male sexuality is of course both demonized and treated as a form of predation, but also strictly limited to a narrow set of acceptable expressions. Outside of sexual identities which place men in positions to benefit women as sexual gate-keepers, masculine sexuality is generally condemned.
JTO would love to compare these alleged gay-man-hating feminists to the proudly gay-male-affirming Men’s Rights Movement. There’s just one problem: As even JTO has to force himself to admit, there are more than a few homophobic dudes lurking around in the Men’s Rights movement. As JTO acknowledges:
[T]here is a thread of opinion with a growing currency among some MRAs which rejects the legitimacy of men whose self identity and sexuality is gay or bisexual, or I suppose, transsexual.
JTO doesn’t like this, and says so:
[There] are men (and women) whose sexuality, either chosen or not, doesn’t conform to an acceptable standard – and some within the MRM would demonize them. Gentlemen and ladies – this is nothing short of stupid.
At what point does who an individual finds sexually attractive diminish their value as a human? How is it that a man whose preference doesn’t include vagina becomes less of a man? Conversely, are we going to pretend the sexual preferences of our female colleagues matter in the context of partnership in the fight for the human rights of men and boys?
So: JohnTheOther has explicitly decided to speak up in favor of “the gay agenda.” (Yes, that’s the phrase he used.) And he’s even included lesbians in the deal – something allegedly pro-gay MRAs often have trouble doing – even though he sort of suggests at the end that he’s only willing to accept lesbians who are also MRAs.
But, hey, baby steps, right?
Well, John, if you really want to toss the homophobes out of the Men’s Rights movement, you’re going to have to start with A Voice for Men itself.
If you go to read JTO’s whole post over on AVFM, you’ll see a couple of “featured videos” in the sidebar from longtime AVFM friend and contributor Bernard Chapin. One of them bears the intriguing title “Feminist Professor Gloats Over Lesbian Chic.” The description, presumably written by AVFM head honcho Paul Elam, reads:
Bernard’s on a roll here with this one. And you will be rolling to [sic] as he delivers another thorough fisking, Inferno style.
Watch the video, here or there, or as much of it as you can stand. As you’ll see, it’s basically eight minutes of gratingly “humorous” lesbian bashing from good old Bern – whose preferred term for “lesbian,” incidentally, is “lesbobo.” (Evidently adding an extra “bo” to the old slur “lesbo” is hilarious.)
Chapin has produced more than 1200 videos; this is one of the two that AVFM has chosen to feature.
You want to stand up to homophobia, John? Take down that video. Apologize for hosting it. Apologize for featuring it. Demand that Chapin apologize for it — or kick him to the curb.
Meanwhile, AVFM is helping the guy behind the website Artistry Against Misandry publicize and raise money for an upcoming event; Elam himself says he’s already sent along a hundred dollars. Here are some examples of the sort of “artistry” that’s featured on the site:
This second graphic is not only homophobic but confused: Chaz Bono is a trans man, not a lesbian.
Speaking of transphobia, AAM also hosts several videos by “Creativebrother,” one of which is this not-hot transphobic mess:
John, I suggest you ask your boss at AVFM to get his money back from Artistry Against Misandry. Because, here’s the thing: if you actively support hate like this, people might just get the impression you’re a hate site.
EDITED TO ADD: In the comments, Elam proudly announces his own support of the “gay agenda” as well. Well, with 0.1% of it.
I don’t like most gay activists very much, and I oppose 99.9% of what passes as gay activism, but I don’t think it is very smart to forget that part of the reason they were led astray is because most “normal” men never gave them the dignity of being regarded as a man.
Forget gay marriage, forget bullying, forget AIDS: apparently the only real issue for gay men is evil feminist ladies calling them “fags” for not wanting to have sex with them.
Elam also has a most interesting explanation of homophobia, at least against gay men:
Gay men are bashed, when all is said and done, because they are not of utilitarian value to women, and because they are perceived as not having enough strength to be of utilitarian value to the elites.
Yeah, that’s probably it.
What about homophobia against lesbians? That’s easy: “lesbobos” are just naturally ugly and hilarious.
lol, gotta be careful with that fae blood, that’s like lsd for vampires (white wolf ones anyways) — and silver causes aggravated damage in werewolves, doesn’t flat out kill them (again, white wolf rules)
Smell can be a potent attractor. I’ve had several lovers in the recent past tell me how much they enjoy the way I smell. I know someone else who says she needs to see, “if someone smells right” before she starts a physical relationship with them.
@Magpie I fear that as the rest of us try to shed our hatred/prejudice, people like NWO actively work to absorb it. He’s like the ShamWow™ of bigotry…
I hope it’s not tmi to say I love how my dude smells. I like his just-woke-up smell, his just-used-fancy-shaving-cream smell, pretty much everything other than his just-came-in-from-a-run smell.
I hit “Post Comment” and immediately thought “oh my god, that totally WAS tmi!”
Good news is, how my bf smells does not make me want to break into his house and watch him sleep, or infantilise him, or try to violate his bodily integrity. Thumbs up!
I haven’t read the books, but does anyone in Twilight actually take a bullet? The guys get in a lot of fights to protect Bella, and I guess Edward jumps in front of a van at one point, but is there any actual shooting?
This is probably true, but only for the sake of reasonable people who are following the conversation. NWO’s not going to be swayed by it. I’m pretty sure he finds the concept of consent offensive.
Or get him pregnant and then chew the baby right out of his stomach.
Meyers is so TMI that she creeped out the star of her own movie adaptations (he made the mistake of reading the books, and regretted it).
Dracula — fair enough, and of course NWO finds consent offensive
CassandraSays — get him pregnant?? Now how’s that work?
Was trying to follow on from Viscaria’s comment, sorry! Though the chewing of the baby out of the womb is an actual thing that really was in one of the Twilight books (that part I did read).
I do my damnedest not to chew babies out of my boyfriend *nods solemnly*
What CassandraSays…er, said, is actually true. The series is sickening and just plain bad, but Breaking Dawn is to the series, Vampires and Werewolves what End of Evangaelion is to mecha anime.
Trust me, the worse has yet to come…Breaking Dawn: Part 2 is on the way.
As far as I remember there are no guns present in Twilight aside from the one Charlie presumably carries. Otherwise the story might be, y’know, exciting.
CassandraSays — sadly, the chewing out the baby part is the only part I know either, and that vampires apparently only sparkle in sunlight, not burst into flames or turn to ash (as has been the case in every vampire story since before Dracula)
It’s not uncommon for conservatives to write some sort of punishment for having sex into their stories, so you would have expected her to make Bella suffer in some way, but the whole caesarean via fangs thing was a bit much.
They also play baseball, apparently. As a lifelong goth this may be the aspect of Twilight that I find most horrifying.
Dracula could move freely in sunlight in Stoker’s novel. It just weakened his powers, so he could not change form.
CassandraSays — Bella’s a normal mortal right? So does she even survive that?
“They also play baseball, apparently. As a lifelong goth this may be the aspect of Twilight that I find most horrifying.” — *shudder* agreed. I realized not long ago that the vast majority of my “adulty” wardrobe is black, and then chuckled that at least I’ll always match (adulty does not include, for example, bondage pants)
WELL I DON’T KNOW DRAC I MEAN WHAT MAKES YOU SUCH AN EXPERT
Saw this on the Spearhead just now. TW!!!!! Rape.
W.F. Price May 28, 2012 at 19:32
My favorite part in the history books is where the Huns come in; kill all the spineless, wimpy men who let women take over, and rape all the obnoxious, domineering women. That is so cool! I get all goose-bumpy just thinking about it.
-Anonymous age 70
Well, one of the characteristics of the Huns (and others like them), is that they often relied on armies made up of disaffected males from other polities. Both Napoleon and Hitler also took advantage of this (Napoleon had more success, because he relied on French revolutionary ideals of egalité, fraternité, liberté, whereas the Nazi German supremacy thing didn’t sell all that well to non-Germans).
The easiest way to conquer another society is to have their men either lay down their arms or change sides. The Hunnic army was full of Germans, Swedes, Eastern Europeans, etc. Atli (Attila) is still a common name in parts of Scandinavia. However, do keep in mind that according to the legend Attila’s Gothic wife Gudrun tricked him into eating his own children and then did a murder-suicide by arson. So, the lesson is that helping oneself to women of conquered lands doesn’t always turn out so well.
Whatever the case, when you oppress your native men, you open the door to conquest/rebellion. This still happens today, as we have seen over the last year with the ongoing Arab Spring revolts.
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Dracula — I read the book years ago, but I thought the ending // his death was sunlight induced, am I misremembering?
Something about his homeland’s soil was important (and he’s a tzimisce then, which also explains everything, I do love the white wolf categories of vampire stereotypes)
It’s my understanding that Bella got turned into a vampire in that scene in order to save her. Haven’t read it, but I read a review of the movie.
He’s caught sleeping during the day in a box of earth, and Jonathan Harker stabs him in the heart with a kukri knife and cuts his head of. The sunlight did him no direct harm.
I think he was compelled to sleep in his grave by day, but was seen out during the day several times, implying (to me at least) that he could force himself to rise when he needed to.
“(Napoleon had more success, because he relied on French revolutionary ideals of egalité, fraternité, liberté, whereas the Nazi German supremacy thing didn’t sell all that well to non-Germans).”
And both of them failed to account for how bitterly cold Russia’s winters are.
“This still happens today, as we have seen over the last year with the ongoing Arab Spring revolts.”
Oh yeah, it was the disenfranchised males, that was it (and not, you know, the disenfranchised everybody-not-the-dictator). I’m sure that explains this photo — I’ve seen that praised as everything from “brilliant” to comparisons to Michelangelo’s Pietà.
But sure, in MRA land it’s all about the injured man, the woman holding him must just be waiting for him to die to get his riches >.<
Dracula — ok, that makes sense, that is the other traditional way to kill a vampire after all. I guess I’m remembering the sunlight mattering because it played an important role in the plan to dispose of him?