Many of those in the manosphere wear their misogyny like a badge of honor. Others like to present themselves as fierce opponents of bigotry, and angrily deny the charges of misogyny thrown their way. When the Southern Poverty Law Center ran an article noting the misogyny often found on A Voice for Men, for example, site founder Paul Elam responded with great indignation in an open letter to the group:
Yesterday I received the unfortunate news that your organization … listed my website, avoiceformen.com, among others, as misogynistic, or “woman-hating. … Contrary to what readers of your site may be led to believe, the goals of SPLC and AVfM are quite similar: We both work to identify groups who seek to oppress others, and inform the public of the inequities they would perpetuate.
This seems a strange argument for the man whose handle on YouTube is “The Happy Misogynist,” and who regularly writes posts filled with hair-curling hatred of women. It seems even stranger when you consider AVFM’s support of a site that frankly peddles hate – against women, “manginas,” gay men, lesbian, and trans folk.
I’m talking about the misleadingly named Artistry Against Misandry site. AAM and AVFM seem almost joined at the hip. AAM’s founder, musician Jade Michael, wrote and performed the theme song currently used on AVFM’s internet “radio show.” AVFM has returned the favor, promoting the site and helping raise money for it. Indeed, several days ago Elam himself proudly announced that he’d sent along $100 of his own money to help Michael fund an upcoming event.
The site describes itself as follows:
Welcome to the first pro-male artist activist network. Within these pages you will find music, poetry, prose, graphics, cartoons and additional links, all of which are here to bring attention to and counter misandry in Western society.
In practice, this means saying the worst shit about women you can possibly imagine. Oh, the “artists” also say terrible things about men who don’t hate women with fervor — you may recall the ridiculous caricature of me as a self-flagellating, woman-worshipping “mangina” at the end of this post from a couple of days ago.
But the “artists” whose work is featured on the site focus most of their venom on women. Let’s take a look at several graphics from Reality, one of the site’s most prolific contributors.
Yep, that’s right: “western women” are “the new tapeworm parasites.” Here are a couple more.
There are (literally) forty more where those came from, and they’re pretty much all as nasty and hateful as the ones I’ve featured here. I suggest you visit AAM’s graphic art page and scroll through the rest of Reality’s wares.
If you don’t have the patience for that, and since the app they use on AAM to display Reality’s artwork is a piece of crap, I’m just going to highlight some more of his clever anti-misandry slogans here in text form:
Women actually expect you to act like a traditional male. While they live like psychotic whores. Keep dreaming, bitch!
Guys, do you really want to know what she’s thinking? 100% pure shit.
[Picture of women pointing at the camera.] We get everything and do nothing for it. Now get back to work slave.. we can put you in jail or bankrupt you with just a pointed finger.
Remember, when a woman tells you she’s tired it’s the only time she’s actually telling you the truth because…being a raging petty psychotic bitch…while being virtually retarded…while having endless banal thoughts she considers “genius…” while making insane and constant ultimatums…IS absolutely EXHAUSTING!!
Meanwhile, an artist calling himself “Andy Man” declares in a graphic of his own:
This is the sort of “artistry” that A Voice for Men is actively supporting.
And they wonder why some might consider them part of a hate movement?
Artistry Against Misandry also features music, videos, and even poetry, all of it awful, in every sense of the word. I will take a look at some of this in future posts.
EDIT: I added one more Reality graphic and a bunch of his slogans in text form.
The “Rosie the Riveter” ripoff really pissed me off! If they’d seen the poster and/or the accompanying film they’d have known damn well what English women were doing during WW2: running the country making weapons and machinery, growing food, running the communications system, nursing the wounded, organizing a resistance in case of invasion, staying alive during the bombing and a million other activities necessary during wartime. Somebody had to take over. And these arseholes have appropriated the poster and lied, knowingly, through their teeth about it and ignored what the poster a film were saying about the real women it portrayed.
I don’t know what American women were doing while Europe burned but I know damned well what the English women were doing because my mother and grandmother were among them.
>I don’t know what American women were doing while Europe burned
I think it has been mentioned often enough what women did during that period.
They sipped Daiquiris and muscled their men into dying all over the world for their amusement.
@ithiliana,
late to party, but just wanted to say that is one fucking powerful poem by Gwendolyn Brooks. I actually wept when i read it. Thank you.
With that 1 in 4 study, is it a study on rapes reported to the police or a series of questions asked to a group of students to determine if the students had been raped? I can guarantee the results would be drastically different. I’m using anecdata, I know, but based on all of my friends who have discussed their rapes and assaults with me (and there are a lot of them), none of them actually reported them to the police. Especially in instances where alcohol was involved, a lot of women blame themselves, at least at first, and by the time they realize that they weren’t to blame (if they ever do) there is no physical evidence left. And even if there were physical evidence of sex, it would come down to he said, she said.
MRAs like to conveniently forget how difficult it is to actually prove rape happened. So a lot of people don’t report it because they don’t want to deal with a court battle that they will probably lose based on lack of evidence.
So when we’re talking about statistics of who has actually been raped vs just who reported being raped to the police, I can imagine 1 in 4 being a reasonable statistic.
There is also a history (some of it more in the form of current events) of police just refusing to admit rape happens.
Has the Alphabet Murderer been caught?
Naso was indeed charged with rape more than once in the 1950s, and reported on other occasions. But the prosecutions appear to have gone nowhere and, in some cases, the police barely took the accusations seriously.
Prosecutors have approached a 74-year-old woman who alleged that Naso was the man who raped her when she was a student in Berkeley, California, in 1961. She reported the attack to the police at the time, but said they suggested she was trying to make her boyfriend jealous. According to Naso’s own diary, when the mother of one under-age girl he had sex with went to New York police, the officer’s response was to warn him to leave town.
That’s why we think the rate of rape is higher than the reported number of rapes.
Did I break italics?
@BigMomma: Thank you–and YAY more people knowing about Gwendolyn Brooks’ poetry is good.
@Jessay — your statistics guess is what I was thinking — 1 in 4 is self-reported to an interviewer anonymously and NWO’s data is official police reports. There’s also issues about different state laws — a nationwide survey would use the FBI definition, or their own inclusive definitions — which would make something that wasn’t legal rape in the state it happened in rape by the survey.
You’re being too generous with this though —
“MRAs like to conveniently forget how difficult it is to actually prove rape happened. So a lot of people don’t report it because they don’t want to deal with a court battle that they will probably lose based on lack of evidence.”
The reason this came up was NWO is arguing that half of reports, to police, are false — they just don’t believe rape happens. You’re right with the rest, and I agree that this — “So when we’re talking about statistics of who has actually been raped vs just who reported being raped to the police, I can imagine 1 in 4 being a reasonable statistic.” — is likely that’s going on in the data.
@NWO — where is that data? I have questions about your math on calculating the number of women at Berkley too btw, is your starting number the total number of students or the number of the graduating class? Your first step needs to be to divide by 4 if it’s the former — provide data and I’ll check the math though.
My former housemate (who first told me about manboobz), chose to live in E. Palo Alto, rather than Berkeley. East Palo Alto was, at the time, the community with the highest rate of murder, per capita, in the US.
It’s still pretty high (and while I was living there someone was murdered, 50 yards from our house, at about 2200; in fact it was just about two years ago last week, while we were home).
Why did she choose to buy a house in EPA, not Berkeley? Because she said she didn’t want to be raped again, and the rate for rape was less in EPA than Berkeley; and getting killed is very rarely a random thing. Not that she thinks rape is as random, but she thinks being killed is worse than being raped again.
Her rapes weren’t reported to the police. Some of them were her father (adoptive). But she’s not on NWO’s reports radar, anywhere. Not in EPA, not where she grew up. She’s a zero in his stats.
Pecunium — “and while I was living there someone was murdered, 50 yards from our house, at about 2200; in fact it was just about two years ago last week, while we were home” — holy shit
“the rate for rape was less in EPA than Berkeley” — NWO, this is the issue with using one location’s data as opposed to national data, rape rates vary, and you’ll get places that are outliers for one reason or another.
“but she thinks being killed is worse than being raped again.” — I can sort of see that logic, and to my mind, murder requires the sort of violence that one will defend against, versus drunk with a coercive lover as most of us are not inclined to attack our lovers (either that or it’s not murder but accidental, but that’s not really relevant here)
“But she’s not on NWO’s reports radar, anywhere. Not in EPA, not where she grew up. She’s a zero in his stats.” — on NWO’s stats, yes. On the CDC data I’ve been using, it’s remotely possible she was one of the random participants, but either way, their methodology is national and randomized, so it very likely has data on people like her.
“Their ideal woman is a robot that cooks, cleans, and has a functioning pussy.”
And if I was a straight man, I would want those qualities in a woman im dating (besides the whole robot thing). But since Im not, I just expect those things plus a working dick instead of a pussy.
“But…. that would require men do something That’s misandry.”
I guess creating stupid posters could be classified as “something”. My deal with it is that it is highly reactive. They need to be more proactive about finding a woman they want to date. If they don’t like obese women, then don’t try and date them. If they want to date black girls then they should talk and flirt with more black girls. The onus is on them to find and filter women they deem datable.
The same works for being gay. I have to filter through all the men I do and don’t want to date…but you don’t see me making posters calling for more gay men to behave the way I want them too.
Instead of being a dickhead about it, just skip over to the next girl and see if she has the qualities you want. If you can’t find a girl with the qualities you want…then just do what a lot of gay men do. Have non-committal sex instead.
Shit, I got that backwards, she thinks being killed is led bad than being raped again.
That’s why she bought a house in EPA, not Berkeley.
As to the murder… it was sad, but not scary. Some of that is my having been in the army, and part of is that to get killed generally requires having someone interested in killing you. The odds of a random killing are less than that for “stranger rape”.
Pecunium — seriously delayed response here, but I thought “but she thinks being killed is worse than being raped again.” was pretty clear — I was agreeing with you on the odds, and noting that it’s mentally easier to defend against an assault on your life than a rape that may, or may not, turn violent. There’s no “maybe I can get out of this without getting seriously hurt, and wtf is my lover fucking thinking?!” with murder.
“As to the murder… it was sad, but not scary. Some of that is my having been in the army” — Maybe? My experiences with death is limited to old age, cancer, and suicide, so maybe my “holy shit” was a bit an overreaction? Probably also a good dose of “I’d fell threatened by that, logical or not” (of course, car doors in the parking lot next door make me jump, so take that with salt)
Hey, Jade Michael has responded, sort of, to this post:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/devil-with-the-red-pill-on/
Well, not so much responded as tried to talk around the misogyny on his site. I merely skimmed the post, but it looks like he doesn’t specifically defend or even try to explain away any of the specific “posters” I criticized on his site. Probably because it’s hard to claim with a straight face that:
Is anything other than the raving misogyny that it is.
Instead he compares what he’s got on his site to a t-shirt a gay friend of his once wore that read:
Well, there’s really not question that a shirt like that is misogynist, and a pretty douchey thing for anyone to wear. But at least it’s concise, and it rhymes. If the guy owned one such shirt? Not the end of the world, though I might not invite him to many parties. But if he wore nothing but shirts like that, and spent a good deal of his time on websites devoted to slagging on women, I’d have to say that, yeah, he’s a hateful misogynistic asshole.
Argenti: The shots weren’t fired at us. There wasn’t any sense that it was likely to resume.
I did see some things which were, “interesting” in a technical sense (I didn’t go outside, but I did observe the street; and yes, I did get a weapon) but it was people who thought they might be targets.
The story seems to be the folks next door were running a gaming operation of some sort. A kid down the block had a run of luck and some other people decided to shoot him and take the money.
Stupid; because it wasn’t all that much money, and there was no way they were going to get away with it (it wasn’t enough money to get away; certainly not enough to disappear; it was a couple of thousand bucks).
About the earlier post about what women in England did during WWII, American women were doing the same things. My mother and my aunts and their friends were working in defense plants making aircraft, teaching long hours (most of the male high school teachers had been drafted), working the family farm, keeping the US going and making the things the men at the front needed. And, of course, waiting for their husbands, brothers, sons,boyfriends, to come home, probably in a coffin. (Pure snark) Yea,it was soooo easy being a pampered woman staying home while the men fought.
Pecunium — yeah, that sounds like a whole lot of stupidity.
Jade rambles for a while about the moral panic over Satanism in rock music in the 80’s, and then…somehow this turns into a discussion of how the cries of misogyny over the MRM are similarly baseless. I think? Like most AVFM articles, the whole thing is in dire need of an editor.
He only makes a reference to the web art as being “angry”, as if that was the problem with it.
Abortion is horrible.
Forced parenthood is horrible.
Wtf?
You’ll be happy to know AAM has been taken down.
I wasn’t a fan of the site myself, though JM has made some good music.
Happy? I’m heartbroken! I LOVED AAM!
Abortion is horrible.
Forced parenthood is horrible.
Wtf?
I couldn’t have said it better myself, Word Salad Dude.
You really think JM made good music? What other music do you like?