Here are a couple of, well, let’s just call them very intriguing questions asked of me by a Men’s Rights Redditor. Since I can’t respond to them on the Men’s Rights subreddit — I’m banned — I thought I’d respond here:
Mr. Levelate, allow me to answer your serious questions with some equally serious questions of my own:
I’ve wondered for a long time how people like you react to the men’s rights mantra of ‘all women are wombats’, when you see a woman who isn’t a wombat, how do you explain this?
Also, many MRAs advocate turning all squirrels into bologna, what makes you think squirrel bologna would taste better than regular bologna, and what would the world do with all those extra uneaten nuts, were it ever to come to that?
Here’s the thing, Mr. Levelate: those things you think feminists believe? FEMINISTS DON’T ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEM.
That “all men are rapists” quote from Marilyn French you guys like to pass around? That was from a character in a novel.
The number of radical feminists who seriously want to get rid of men, or a significant number of them, you could probably count on your fingers. I’m not sure how many MRAs want to make squirrel bologna, but the numbers are probably similar. And, fyi, there are actually more than a few MRAs who fantasize about breeding certain types of women out of existence, like this dude on The Spearhead, and a small army of MRAs and MGTOWers who pine for the imaginary future where babies are gestated in artificial wombs and women are all replaced by sexy sexbots.
Listening to MRAs talking about feminism is a bit like sitting in on a book club in which no one has read the book.
Ithiliana: It seems to be from an essay called “The Future– If There Is One– Is Female” which did seem to exist outside of fevered MRA dreams.
With that said, we now have
THREE ladies who are not mainsteam feminist theorists
THREE misinterpretations
TWO quotes from works of fiction
ONE fabricated quote
ONE impossible-to-find quote
And a partridge in a feminists-aren’t-actually-evil tree!
She didn’t even murder him though.
She tried. Thing is, she was sick. Seriously now, since when do we treat people with actual disorders as if they’re vile, horrible people?
Its still f-d up though I just find it funny mra constantly try to use her as an example of a feminists wanting to murder all men when she did not even try kill him just because he was a man. Of coursethen they go and praise Brevik who actually killed people course, no irony there.
*Of course then they go praise Brevik who actually killed people, no irony there
The majority of feminists do believe that all men are rapists, and it’s not just a position held by radfems. Preposterous concepts such as “schrodinger’s rapist,” “men can stop rape” and “rape culture,” though completely divorced from reality, spell out pretty clearly what these harpies are really thinking.
Sad wombats
Crisis meeting as disease wipes out wombats
PM By Tom Nightingale
Updated May 15, 2012 08:52:48
Photo: Disease makes the southern hairy-nosed wombats bald and they have liver problems (Wombat Awareness Organisation) Related Story: Rampant weeds giving wombats liver diseaseRelated Story: $8m wombat bequest being fought by familyMap: SA
There has been a crisis meeting in Adelaide as wildlife groups mobilise to deal with a liver disease killing the wombat population in South Australia.
When sick, the animals become bald, get liver disease and struggle to walk.
Researchers have found the disease is caused when the wombats eat introduced grasses which have overtaken their native food sources.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-15/wombats-disease-weeds-crisis-meeting/4011476
My experience too. To the letter.
So here’s the thing guys: I don’t think all men are rapists. (Stated in bold letters for maximum clarity.)
Unfortunately though, I know there are some rapists out there, and they don’t explicitly advertise the fact: they hide in plain sight. So if you’re making some apologist’s argument to deny the facts about rape (lookin’ at comment #2 in this thread), or if you’re joking like it’s no big deal to have been raped, then to someone like me it appears like you’re aiding and abetting the rapists, as well as giving me a strong indicator that you might be one of the rapists. That’s just how it works, I’m afraid.
Arks: Schrodinger’s Rapist is the exact opposite of thinking all men are rapists! It is thinking that most men are not rapists, but some men are, and you cannot tell them apart by looking because rapists do not wear a sign on their heads that says I RAPE PEOPLE.
Rape culture is the idea that our culture systematically normalizes, trivializes, and encourages rape– even among those who are neither rapists nor rape survivors!– and is participated in by both men and women.
“Men can stop rape” is hella problematic, though.
Jumbo: You’re right, sorry, I misspoke.
I assume by “not mainstream” you mean “not representative.” It’s not, as shown by the quotemining: if it were representative, I would be able to find something similar from any random piece of feminist writing, which, um, I can’t.
But I gotta say, “not mainstream” sounds like “she doesn’t put sugar in her porridge.”
“No fucking feminists like Solanas. Seriously. Lady’s a murderer and disconnected from this plane of reality. Every movement has at least one complete wacko.”
Feminist Robin Morgan (later editor of Ms. magazine) demonstrated for Solanas’s release from prison. Ti-Grace Atkinson, the New York chapter president of the National Organization for Women (NOW), described Solanas as “the first outstanding champion of women’s rights”[18][41] and as “a ‘heroine’ of the feminist movement”,[42][43] and “smuggled [her manifesto] … out of the mental hospital where Solanas was confined.”[42][43] Another NOW member, Florynce Kennedy, called her “one of the most important spokeswomen of the feminist movement.”[23][41] Norman Mailer called her the “Robespierre of feminism.”
Arks, are you seriously asserting that no man anywhere has ever raped a woman? Because you called the notion that this has happened “preposterous,” so I wanted to clarify.
To be clear: I never had a thought in my head that some men were rapists until I was raped. After that, and probably especially because it was a friend whom I trusted (which is the case in most cases of rape), that thought was implanted in my brain and can’t be unthought.
Hershele: I’d call, e.g., Mary Daly a mainstream feminist (even though I disagree with her utterly). She’s someone talked about on feminist websites, her books are shelved with other feminist books, she was influential on other feminists, etc. I’m basically saying that Solanas and Sharon Stone and some lady who doesn’t even have a Wikipedia page are not exactly the three people I’d think of if I were to ask someone to define feminism.
Ozy: Schrodinger’s rapist is paranoia. It is the woman equivalent of crossing the street when you see a black person and it’s not a reasonable position to hold at all. If you’re a rape victim then I understand your fear, but it’s a ridiculous concept to teach to women as a whole.
Rape culture is the idea that rape is so common as to be considered normal and trivial… which is not remotely true. It’s taken extremely seriously, it’s considered the most heinous crime out there. Rape’s only trivial and a joke when it’s happening to men in prison.
Yes, kids, teaching women that you can’t be sure of someone’s intentions just by looking at them is absolutely ridiculous. Also, rape is the most serious crime there is, which is why all rapists are tried and found guil- oh wait.
But, seriously, most feminist literature looks more like this (first lines of a bunch of feminist books off my shelves):
“How do we turn girls into women?”
“A few months after 9/11, one of our friends began to speak about his memories of living in New York City during the attacks on the World Trade Center.”
“From the moment we take our first breath (and sometimes even before that, what with sonic imaging technology), the cry ‘it’s a boy’ or ‘it’s a girl’ ushers us into the world.”
“In the concluding paragraph of the final chapter of his last book, Georges Bataille ruminated on photographs of a Chinese man undergoing lingchi, a form of public execution accomplished by severing limbs and ripping flesh from the victim’s body.”
“The walls pulsated with the rhythmic thump-thump-thump of a song from popular recording artist Usher.”
I like how “all men are rapists” is now a “feminist mantra,” despite no feminist, however extreme, ever having said or written that in the history of ever. But we all chant it to ourselves while doing our secret feminist yoga.
Schroedinger’s Rapist isn’t something that is taught to women, it was an attempt to explain something women already know. In other words, explaining what speedbudget said.
Shaenon! How dare you mention the secret feminist yoga!
Arks, no one here thinks prison rape is a joke. The imaginary feminists in your head are acting up again.
@Jumbofish You’re famous! http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/breaking-valerie-solanas-not-so-bad/
😉
Okay, I’ll bite.
Rape is (a) so common as to be (b) normal and (c) trivial
(a) Common? Yes. Feel free to look at, oh, any statistic about sexual violence ever.
(b) Normal – Normal as in it happens all the time, yes. Normal as in it’s inevitable, not so much.
(c) Trivial – The idea that rape is bad does not trivialize rape, but I’m glad to see that you don’t think rape is trivial.
Legally, socially, it’s not taken seriously in most places unless it fits a very, very narrow narrative, which is usually a single young conventionally attractive female virgin who is kidnapped and brutalized by a male sociopath with a history of violent tendencies. I know someone who experienced this, but I also know plenty of people who were raped in ways that did not fit that narrative, and it was not considered particularly heinous by anyone who wasn’t closely related to them.
Some people consider some rapes in some circumstances to be “the most heinous crime out there”, but sexual violence as a whole is generally seen as a thing which can be deserved.
Which is why dudebros on the internet don’t fight to the death* for the ability to keep telling rape jokes**.
*hyperbole
**sarcasm
The imaginary feminists in Arks’ head are so numerous and overworked that I’m waiting for them to unionise.
Must be time for another anti-anti-manboobz post then?
Sorry Arks, but there’s ample evidence that rape isn’t treated anywhere as seriously as other similar crimes committed against a person, and that many victims are too intimidated to report the crime in the first place.