Here are a couple of, well, let’s just call them very intriguing questions asked of me by a Men’s Rights Redditor. Since I can’t respond to them on the Men’s Rights subreddit — I’m banned — I thought I’d respond here:
Mr. Levelate, allow me to answer your serious questions with some equally serious questions of my own:
I’ve wondered for a long time how people like you react to the men’s rights mantra of ‘all women are wombats’, when you see a woman who isn’t a wombat, how do you explain this?
Also, many MRAs advocate turning all squirrels into bologna, what makes you think squirrel bologna would taste better than regular bologna, and what would the world do with all those extra uneaten nuts, were it ever to come to that?
Here’s the thing, Mr. Levelate: those things you think feminists believe? FEMINISTS DON’T ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEM.
That “all men are rapists” quote from Marilyn French you guys like to pass around? That was from a character in a novel.
The number of radical feminists who seriously want to get rid of men, or a significant number of them, you could probably count on your fingers. I’m not sure how many MRAs want to make squirrel bologna, but the numbers are probably similar. And, fyi, there are actually more than a few MRAs who fantasize about breeding certain types of women out of existence, like this dude on The Spearhead, and a small army of MRAs and MGTOWers who pine for the imaginary future where babies are gestated in artificial wombs and women are all replaced by sexy sexbots.
Listening to MRAs talking about feminism is a bit like sitting in on a book club in which no one has read the book.
Actually, it has less to do with feminism than with the joy I take in contradicting foolish assholes. It’s so tiring to go around seeing people spout their stupid prejudices, then being careful to look things up and make a logical argument showing how they are wrong, only to have the truth go unacknowledged. Fuck all of that noise.
So factfinder, who was it that convinced you your sadism is virtuous such that you finally decided to make Preggo Punchout?
A social justice warrior once said, “I have neither the time nor the patience to educate my opposition.”
So I take it “playing dumb” is considered a valuable asset in your debate arsenal. Don’t the other male supremacists complaining that you’re infantalizing men with that tactic? Or is the MRM all about making men seem like dumb and childish animal who can’t be expected to control themselves?
I enjoy the kittens meowing videos, they always make my dog go silly.
*animals
Urgh, and complain, not complaining. I take this as a sign that I should get some sleep now.
“How does one “get” a woman drunk? I always thought people got themselves drunk, but then feminism is about reducing women to the level of children. Maybe they think the ladies are being held down force-fed or something.”
Oh FFS “get her more drunk than you’re getting yourself” and I specifically said the same would apply with different gender applied, or do I have to play gender binary and specifically say a woman could get a man drunk? There you go, said it.
If you want tips how to get someone drunk, go get your rape advise somewhere else.
Especially since it’s moot, if your partner is too drunk to consent, and you proceed, it’s rape. See #2 about finding a drunk woman — still rape.
@lauralot89 — yeah, it still doesn’t make actual sense but it’s not total gibberish either.
Dear Factfinder,
One gets someone drunk by offering them drinks. If one takes advantage of someone afterwards, the method by which they got drunk is irrelevant to the unethicality of taking advantage of them.
Sincerely,
Department of Sugar and Lightness
Oh dear, they’ve moved from calling me stupid to implying I am a rapist. I always knew the feminist dogma condoned slander and libel against the right targets, but I thought feminists had a little more restraint.
It’s so cute when you pretend to misunderstand slander vs. libel, and whether or not a given statement constitutes such.
Oh, my mistake, you mentioned both. It’s still cute that you don’t know what constitutes it, though.
ideologuereview — I’m not giving out what is basically “how to rape” tips for you or anyone else reading along — happy now? (Maybe note that the offending line starts with the word “if”, use a dictionary if you need to.)
Conditional statements are Misandry.
You derive pleasure from the idea of beating up pregnant women. I’d say “rapist” is a step up.
“Conditional statements are Misandry.” — of course they are >.<
Is anything not Misandry according to the MRM? That's a serious question btw, carrots? Have they managed to make carrots Misandry…salad is not man food so yes they have? Bacon? Could bacon ever be Misandry?
Oh…it's fried, and fried foods aren't exactly healthy, and men tend to have slightly shorter life spans than women so yep, bacon is Misandry. Is anything not then?
(please pardon my idiocy, I whacked my head off the freezer door putting shit away by the fridge light, lest I piss off a cranky nocturnal fish — I'll be fine, but I think I rattled my brain a bit)
The cranky nocturnal fish isn't misandrist, he just hates everyone.
It’s okay, Argenti: the Grand Mabus of Feminism supports not only all of your actions, but getting hit in the head by the freezer door as well. Anything a feminist does both reflects on, and is approved of by, Feminism—by order of the Grand Mabus herself.
Thank goddess a feminist didn’t make Preggo Punchout.
PS Misanthropy is Misandry.
“Thank goddess a feminist didn’t make Preggo Punchout.” — lol, indeed
“PS Misanthropy is Misandry.” — that nearly makes sense, considering they consider male the default gender, but I’m not sure the cranky fish like other fish either (except dead ones, those are on his menu >.< )
Is lycanthropy Misandry?
Have you ever seen a female Werewolf? I haven’t.
Lycanthropy is a feminist plot.
Tulgey — I prefer my werewolves be White Wolf in origin, so yes, I have. And White Wolf looks like random capitalization in this context XD
Or maybe the better question is: wait, you’ve seen a werewolf?!
Well I certainly haven’t seen a female one.
+1 internet for that
Captain Angua would like to remind the non-Pratchett readers that she is in fact a werewolf.
And if one intends to get someone drunk, there are various coercive strategies that can be employed – surreptitiously topping up the drink in question being a particularly simple one.
I come from a culture where there’s a lot of social pressure to drink too much – it’s something I consciously resist now, but it’s much harder to summon the willpower if you’re only in your teens/twenties. Especially if you’re shy and self-conscious and think that alcohol helps unlock your naturally sparkling personality.
But, as you say, the precise method of getting drunk is moot.
And it’s really really not difficult to judge whether someone is too drunk to give informed consent. I’ve referred elsewhere to an incident when a close friend’s younger sister unexpectedly came onto me very strongly indeed. I wasn’t entirely sober myself, but I was rational enough to calculate (a) that she could barely walk at the time, and almost certainly was in no position to give informed consent, b) that sex under these circumstances probably wouldn’t be especially great, and (c) even without (b) as a factor, this could significantly complicate my relationship not just with her but her sister and indeed the rest of their family, all of whom I knew well, whose paths I crossed regularly, and who only lived a couple of blocks away. So I made sure that she got home OK, and left it at that.
Any regrets? None whatever – in fact, twenty years on she remains a good friend (if anything, a closer friend now than her sister was at the time), and I’m not even sure she remembers that little incident. I certainly never referred to it.
I hate the rapist loophole of “drunk sex”. If you have a pretty good idea that the person would not have sex with you sober then you are just looking for a way to get around consent and avoid being called the rapist you are. It’s just so dishonest. It’s basically like any other criminal waiting for a person to be vulnerable to do what they want to do.
In this case either consent under impairment or the person is damn near passed out so they cant say no or resist, besides the fact that to this sorry person lack of a no or resistance means yes to them. I’m gonna go watch some kitty videos now…