Well, I have been banned from the Men’s Rights subreddit, evidently for mentioning The Spearhead too often. And also, apparently, because of Lorena Bobbit? Honesty, I’m not sure I fully understand why I’m banned; I am pretty sure I haven’t breached any of the tenets of Reddiquette in any of my comments in r/mr. See if you can figure it out:
I’m also banned from A Voice for Men. And Toysoldier. Not sure about The Spearhead. I don’t think so, but there’s not really much point posting somewhere where all dissenting commenters (and most women) are downvoted so thoroughly that you have to click a special link to even see them. I might or might not be able to comment on other MRA blogs, I don’t know.
But honestly, the only Men’s Rights forum I really have (or had) any reason or desire to comment in is the Men’s Rights subreddit, because for all of its faults it’s really the only MRA forum of any size that’s not completely overrun with misogynists and fanatics. The only one where there is even a chance of holding any kind of substantive discussions with MRAs online. And Ig has shut that door, at least for me.
(There are of course many other places to discuss things with MRAs online, like, you know, here, and NSWATM, and so on, but these places aren’t run by MRAs.)
I asked Ig if he would also ban the guy who wished me liver cancer earlier today. I have not heard back from him yet.
EDITED TO ADD: Ig has gotten back to me. He recommends that I “go to hell.” Meanwhile, the liver-cancer wisher has reaffirmed his desire that I “catch” cancer.
Elsewhere in r/mr, another fellow describes me as “an accumulation of grunge far worse than any of the quotes you mine.” Which doesn’t make a lot of sense, but at least has a spark of originality to it.
There is no gender war. The patriarchy hurts men and women; the patriarchy is perpetrated by men and women; the patriarchy will be destroyed by men and women.
I think it’s possible to think that both Breivik and Solanas shouldn’t be taken seriously on account of, you know, murder.
The one argument about women shouldn’t be allowed to vote boiled down to that. As punishment because men had to go to the draft and women didn’t therefore they should be punished by not being allowed to vote.
radfemhub is cissexist as hell, but it is nowhere near as violent. Put ’em up tab by tab.
Is that sarcasm? Those fools just whine at feminists and pretend htey have intelligent complaints. The best they can do is misrepresent and lie.
Except Breivik wans’t joking, hence the many deaths and the imprisonment in Norway.
Yawn, the ‘above it all’ deal. Bugger off.
ozymandias42: “There is no gender war. The patriarchy hurts men and women; the patriarchy is perpetrated by men and women; the patriarchy will be destroyed by men and women.”
So, issues that affect men are still caused by men? That’s a lovely thought.
“I don’t see feminists saying its logical to take men’s voting away, or that foreign men are better because they are more passive, or that women should be literal sex slaves, or that little girl’s voice boxes should be removed, and all the other disgusting crap mras spew is no was comparable to the worst of radfems.”
Actually, the worst shit the radfems write is just as vile as the crap the radmras write.
Oh wait, sorry, that’s satire.
Except not really.
I’d talk about Male Genital Mutilation and how it’s kind of promoted at large in the world, and fully supported by the UN, but then again, it’s not “mutilation” if it’s a penis being cut. It’s circumcision!
Such a nicer word for making penises pretty.
“Also cut the “gender war crap” there is no gender war, both men and women are trying to keep the status quo of women being lesser and both men and women are trying to end it. There is no war split between men and women, only a unfortunate past that needs to be put behind us.”
I am not the one perpetuating the “gender war”.
http://pol.moveon.org/waronwomen/
http://stopthewaronwomen.com/
It’s not the “Republicans” or “Democrats” either.
This “gender war” is no different than this.
You’re just still too caught up in it to see it.
It is ultimately the worst of the worst who are given voice, and the worst of the worst who are made “representatives” of their movements.
Just as one side cherry picks “Black Panthers”, the other side cherry picks “Klan Members”.
Neither side wins.
“Except Breivik wans’t joking, hence the many deaths and the imprisonment in Norway”
Except Solanas wans’t joking, hence shooting Andy Warhol.
Wait, please please tell me that they do not equate because one caused more death than the other.
I would love to hear that.
So I can tell you, that doesn’t prove anything other than Breivik was a better planner than Solanas.
“Yawn, the ‘above it all’ deal. Bugger off.”
If you’d like, we can take large sticks and hit each other until one of us dies if that’s more to your liking.
But I’m going to poison your drink before you get a chance to step into the ring.
A(n)nals of Online Dating has a new post up that is a short summary of what happens when MRAs begin using dating sites:
http://www.annalsofonlinedating.com/post/23525417334/sorry-that-online-dating-has-distracted-you-from-your
(Note for all the trolls: I know that nowhere in this message does the guy say he’s an MRA, he just talks like one and if he isn’t one yet probably will be as soon as he discovers the right websites.)
lulz. The plight of marginalized people is partially due to oppression by other marginalized people, but when we get to the majority… suddenly it’s all on the marginalized people? Lackwit.
“Fuck you cunt, your a worthless piece of shit like all women. All I want is a relationship and sex. Report me and get me banned from this shit site again. So I can get some kind of little life back I had.”
from – http://www.annalsofonlinedating.com/post/23525417334/sorry-that-online-dating-has-distracted-you-from-your
Multiple choice test:
Dude who’s angry because
a) FIGURING OUT RELATIONSHIPS IS ACTUALLY PRETTY FUCKING HARD BECAUSE WE CAN’T READ EACH OTHER’S MINDS, AND THE DUDE IS ANGRY BECAUSE HE THINKS HE’S DOING WHAT HE’S “SUPPOSED” TO BE DOING AND BEING REPRIMANDED FOR IT, AND OH GOD, BEING ALONE IS KIND OF LIKE IT’S OWN SILENT HELL.
b) ACTUALLY A HATE MONGERING MRA WHO WANTS TO CUT WOMEN’S FETUSES FROM THEIR BELLIES WHILE ALSO FORCING THEM TO BEAR RAPE-BABIES THAT KILL THEM IN THE PROCESS, AND EXPLOITING FOREIGN WOMEN AND TRAVELLING TO AFRICA TO ENGAGE IN FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION.
I wonder what THE REALITY OF HIS SITUATION MIGHT ACTUALLY BE THAT HE WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
Oh wait, no I don’t. HE’S A HATE-MONGER WHO WANTS TO KILL WOMEN!!!! MRA!!!!
“So, issues that affect men are still caused by men? That’s a lovely thought.”
Right. Men lack equal parenting rights because of “The Patriarchy”. Not because feminist groups have lobbied successfully against equal rights for fathers.
Can we just point out that Valerie Solanas never published her manifesto? Someone else did, later, after finding it buried in a trunk, IIRC. That is a long, long way from publishing a daily website, like Elam.
Could you tell him to work on equality for men in insurance next? MEN pay tens of thousands more in auto insurance
Citation needed. When you’re done with that, please note that health insurance and auto insurance are completely different things.
“Can we just point out that Valerie Solanas never published her manifesto? Someone else did, later, after finding it buried in a trunk, IIRC. That is a long, long way from publishing a daily website, like Elam.”
But…but…A WOMAN STILL WROTE THOSE WORDS! When are you going to apologize for THAT, women?! /sarcasm
I mean, come on, MRAs aren’t good at finding true equivalents to the bad shit that happens to women (mostly because they’re prone to fallacious thinking), the whole point is that a woman, somewhere, did something bad, and all women, along whoever helps one of them, is forever tarnished.
Awesome! Could you tell him to work on equality for men in insurance next? MEN pay tens of thousands more in auto insurance. Women’s choices cost health insurance companies more but MEN have to pick up the tab for that.
Honey, men were already paying the lower price for health insurance. That’s the point; I’m now paying what a man would pay.
I’m totally on board with reforming auto insurance to make it non-sexist. But do you currently pay $500 a month for auto insurance? My healthcare insurance payments were slowly bankrupting me.
And I’m married, so my extra healthcare costs affect a decent penis-carrying MAN in addition to some stupid woman who should’ve thought twice before being born with a womb.
That’s one of the things that confuses my husband when I describe MRA stuff to him. One of the first things he said, when I told him about the existence of the Men’s Rights Movement, was, “Why wouldn’t guys want women to get equal pay and stuff? Don’t they want their wives and girlfriends to be successful?” I didn’t have an answer for him then, and I don’t have one now. Maybe you can help.
garvan, shut the fuck up. Everyone can see through your transparent comparisons, and you’re not making any points trolls haven’t made before.
Antz, you’re a pathetic coward who doesn’t even have the conviction to turn your hatred into the terrorism that makes up your masturbatory fantasies. No one cares what you have to say, and no one will shed a tear when you die.
She did not shoot him because of her manifesto, she shot him because she thought he stole her work and she didn’t even kill him. Brevik shot those poor kids because of his beliefs in that manifesto. They are not comparable.
Buttman, is it so hard to understand?
Patriarchy tells people earning money is a man’s job and changing diapers a woman’s job => Men rarely become primary caretaker of their children => courts are hugely “biased” toward primary caretakers => women gets way more often primary custody.
Tadam!
garvan: answer A, I suppose? This guy is angry at a woman he doesn’t know because he feels entitled* to sex and relation. “Relationships are complicated” is true for most people, boys, girls, any gender. Nobody can read people’s mind, but not everybody lashes out to people because of that.
And this kind of thinking is very common among MRAs, so no kidding people here see the link between him and them.
*the vending machine analogy really works well: this kind of guy thinks that if you put enough chips into the machine, sex or relationships will eventually fall of it. And if it doesn’t, he’s been robbed. Sorry, women are not robots.
And by the way, comparing male and female circumcision is fucking ridiculous. I am vehemently opposed to male circumcision, but there is no comparison. When people start chopping the glans off a penis, then you can complain they’re the same thing.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505144_162-57433982/how-men-can-beat-gender-bias-in-car-insurance/
“Men pay about $15,000 more for auto insurance over their lifetimes than women do, according to CoverHound.com, an insurance shopping service.”
LIfe insurance:
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=155795
“Currently, men are paying an average of 26% more per policy, per year.”
I don’t see how these insurances are less worthy of equality. The only difference I see is that it’s okay to discriminate against MEN but women can never pay for their own choices. Shock.
Between AntZ, garvan, and buttman, the stupid is thick in here.
AntZ, does your FOREIGN BRIDE know how much you hate women? Does she know what a sad, craven little man she married?
Actually I’d say Antz is less stupid and more dishonest. Buttman, however, is dumb as bricks.
Yeah, we have evidence that Antz is willing to lie to other MRAs even if it means the health of boys would suffer. See http://manboobz.com/2012/05/03/elam-take-my-male-privilege-please/comment-page-7/#comment-151498
Mmmm, part of the reason men pay more is because men take more risks. So you know, work on that.
As Buttman has alluded to, though men make more money, it is women who shlorp up all of the cash- women who CONTROL the wealth. Kind of like the Blob in that old horror movie.