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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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Chris
Chris
12 years ago

“Chris, if you name your blog “Rather Than Being”, I will personally guest blog on any topic, at all, ever.”

I don’t understand. But right now I think i’m just going to get my mind off this and then maybe try to do something more productive than writing a blog. I guess i’ll try to take some better pictures of myself and update my online dating profile. Getting rejected repeatedly on there gets depressing after a while though.

Xanthë
12 years ago

Jumbofish: why is it trolling? It’s a legitimate question.

Addressing the other half of this, since others have discoursed on your trolliness: no, it’s not a legitimate question. It’s a fucking stupid question. And, if you had actually read the thread title, as in quote “No, women aren’t better than men” unquote, the answer is already there, dumbass. The whole thread is about David pointing out that feminists do call out this silly assertion.

Come on, Chris, blog, stat. Want more stuff to laugh at.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Incel is definitely a bigger pantload than misandry.

jumbofish
12 years ago

Oh chris you are a sad strange little man….

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Chris, cut the “woe is me” act. It’s not working.

Go blog or update your dating profile, whatever keeps you from trolling.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
12 years ago

Blog, Chris, blog! I want to see your blog about incel!

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“I guess i’ll try to take some better pictures of myself and update my online dating profile. Getting rejected repeatedly on there gets depressing after a while though.”

Oh gods I’m giving dating advise again! It’s online dating, expect lots of rejections, lots of no-second dates, etc…try going out and actually meeting people, preferably via a hobby or interest, it’ll ensure you already have at least that in common. Find a book club or bird watching group or whatever it is you enjoy doing. At the least, you’ll make friends.

Oh and make friends with your hands, they’re sex partners without an opinion on the matter.

jumbofish
12 years ago

Woe is chris, the most oppressed man ever.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
12 years ago

Oh and make friends with your hands, they’re sex partners without an opinion on the matter.

This is actually excellent advice.

jumbofish
12 years ago

Maybe he got “friend zoned” by his hands.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

But you guuuuuuuyyyyyys, not acting like the female half of the population owes me sex just for existing is haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrd. I’m so opresssssssssssed.

/Chriswhine

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Maybe he got “friend zoned” by his hands.

gigglesnort

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“Maybe he got “friend zoned” by his hands.”

You know, if his hands have independent thought, that may explain why he’s still posting here…he literally cannot stop. Dr. Strangelove!! (This actually exists btw — Alien hand syndrome)

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

“Woe is chris, the most oppressed man ever.”

I never claimed to be “the most oppressed man ever”.

“Oh gods I’m giving dating advise again! It’s online dating, expect lots of rejections, lots of no-second dates, etc”

I’ve never even gotten a first date. I’m completely lost when it comes to dating. I wish I had someone to help tell me what to do.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Oh wow, there is seriously a Dr Strangelove character for every troll on here it must be some kind of conspiracy! Here’s Mr Slave:

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

“But you guuuuuuuyyyyyys, not acting like the female half of the population owes me sex just for existing is haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrd. I’m so opresssssssssssed.”

That’s a huge exaggeration compared to what i’ve actually said. There’s a difference between feeling entitled to sex and wanting help.

jumbofish
12 years ago

I wish I had someone to help tell me what to do.

Implying we should help you binky boy? XD

Oh you also said you were more opressed than most women because of your social anxiety so its partially true!

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Chris, the place for that advice is NOT HERE. This is not the blog you’re looking for.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Chris, why should we help you? I’m serious.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“I wish I had someone to help tell me what to do.”

I am *sure* there are dating advice sites, this isn’t one of them though.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

I’ve never even gotten a first date. I’m completely lost when it comes to dating. I wish I had someone to help tell me what to do.

Wait, how old did you say you were again? 20? 22? I hate to break it to you but there’s this thing called the human condition…

Ithiliana
12 years ago

I keep thinking of grammatical parallels to “involuntary celibates” who, according to Chris, are not blaming anyone (although some of the language they use definitely imply women are to blame–plus women never have this problem–and a whole shitload of my miserable late teen and early twenties years would disprove this implausible idea).

Involuntary X.

Involuntary spouses.

Involuntary babysitters.

Involuntary engineers.

Involuntary cousins.

Involuntary cat ladies.

I keep trying to come up with some usage that would make sense of the usage as a “not ascribing blame to anybody else,” and failing.

(Actually this nagging voice keeps saying that they’re doing it wrong, that they really mean chastity as opposed to celibacy, but I seem to recall Chris or somebody else lecturing us on how the meaning of the word celibacy, meaning unmarried, had changed).

I just keep thinking that in all things Chris needs to give himself more agency–he should go make his blog and make up his own name and quit asking other people to do things for him.

And maybe, just maybe, he should try some of the various ways to achieve orgasm that don’t require other people to do things for him.

Who knows, it just might work.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Chris, if you’re a student, try the old standby of “you want to get coffee sometime?” — and if she does, make it clear (but not gross) on your coffee date that you’d be interested in a romantic relationship (try something more like “interested in seeing where this goes” than “I want to bang you”) And um, don’t plan on having time to date if you intend to go to grad school.

Snowy — “when did you first become…” delusional? Definitely NWO, yes.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“Involuntary cousins” — hey I have some seriously pro-life republican second cousins, I am *not* voluntarily cousins with them!

I’m not sure the difference between celibacy and chastity, other than that only really religious people seem to use the latter anymore.

“And maybe, just maybe, he should try some of the various ways to achieve orgasm that don’t require other people to do things for him.”

Chris, should your hands be unwilling partners, I’ve also heard good things about fleshlights (and no, I’m not kidding).

jumbofish
12 years ago

There’s a difference between feeling entitled to sex and wanting help.

Wanting help regarding sex in what way? I am serious too btw.

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