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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

hellkell — “The Cranial-Rectal Inversion Report” — is excellent, someone should start that and run it Colbert style, reporting on all the Cranial-Rectal Inversion.

jumbofish — my previous point was just that I don’t think “involuntary celibacy” doesn’t exist, but that anyone who calls it “incel” is making unreasonable (and probably kind of rape-y) demands. Contra the people who’d like sexytimes and want to improve themselves to increase their odds.

jumbofish
12 years ago

Involuntary celibate my ass, most of the time they put the blame on women for the “involuntary” part. Thats why I say its crap not because I think they don’t exist.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

blitzgal — the ones who say “incel” probably do, yeah, it’s a sense of entitlement, not just a lack of desired sexytimes.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

jumbofish — we’re saying the same thing then I think.

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

“Involuntary celibate my ass, most of the time they put the blame on women for the “involuntary” part. Thats why I say its crap not because I think they don’t exist.”

Involuntary means not by choice it’s not in reference to blaming anyone. A Volcel (Voluntarily Celibate) is someone is celibate by choice.

blitzgal
12 years ago

So basically the entire comedic meme in which an old, overweight, or otherwise “ugly” woman is panting after some hot man (because it’s just so ridiculous she would think anyone would want to fuck her) has gone completely unnoticed by these folks?

Sharculese
12 years ago

Ah, so followup question — do they think only men have this problem?

let me answer your question with a link a link to their wikipedia talk page (short answer, yes, and they’re huge dicks about it)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Involuntary_celibacy#Biased

jumbofish
12 years ago

@A A
I know, just clarifying. I have social anxiety and I know others with social issues as well so yes, I definitely know that they tend to have more difficulty getting into romantic and/or sexual relationships.

@chris
So how is that blog going? >.>

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

It also bothers me that people make fun of incel people or that there are often incel characters on tv shows that are the butt of jokes because it is something that people struggle with. Making fun someone for not being able to get sex seems like they’re just rubbing in the fact that they’re more successful.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“Involuntary means not by choice it’s not in reference to blaming anyone. A Volcel (Voluntarily Celibate) is someone is celibate by choice.”

Nobody says they’re “volcel” FFS, they just say celibate!

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

Not it isn’t just men. And I suggest you visit this website

http://incel.myonlineplace.org/forum/

This website is actually probably more women than men

Sharculese
12 years ago

i’m pretty sure volcel are something the doctor saved earth from

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Chris — I’m assuming my joke that I should just join a monastery already isn’t very funny then?

jumbofish — kk, it’s Argenti though please (no biggie, just a correction for the future)

jumbofish
12 years ago

It also bothers me that people make fun of incel people or that there are often incel characters on tv shows that are the butt of jokes because it is something that people struggle with. Making fun someone for not being able to get sex seems like they’re just rubbing in the fact that they’re more successful.

I too think its cra-….How is that blog going?

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

“Nobody says they’re “volcel” FFS, they just say celibate!”

Incels use the term volcel to distinguish between us and those who are celibate by choice.

jumbofish
12 years ago

thats nice chris…How is the blog going?

blitzgal
12 years ago

let me answer your question with a link a link to their wikipedia talk page (short answer, yes, and they’re huge dicks about it)

From the Wiki link:

I have to say that involuntary celibacy can truly only apply to men, as men are the ones required to make an effort. I don’t care how overweight or unnattractive a woman is, some man will want her, while I know guys who are in great shape, even good looking, but are completely failures with women because they are shy.

Yeah, that’s about what I figured. What a load of crap. See my above example of the common comedic trope in which an ugly woman is shown lusting after a guy, which is just so hilarious because who’d want to touch anything like that, am I right?!

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Chris — http://wordpress.com — go there now please, try any of the popular themes, they are, basically by definition, readable and not eye-bleed inducing.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

That’s nice, Chris, run along and get crackalackin’ on that blog of yours.

jumbofish
12 years ago

kk, it’s Argenti though please (no biggie, just a correction for the future)

Okay, sorry I was typing fast but I probably should have gone by your name. I will make sure to use it from now on (a lot less confusing that way too).

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

I can’t wait to see your blog Chris!

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“Incels use the term volcel to distinguish between us and those who are celibate by choice.”

Yes, I gathered that, context is amazing that way. The problem remains that “incels” act like they’re entitled to sex, and no one is.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

jumbofish — no problem, I just bristle at the association with Alcoholics Anonymous.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
12 years ago

Chris, if you name your blog “Rather Than Being”, I will personally guest blog on any topic, at all, ever.

jumbofish
12 years ago

@Argenti
haahahah jeez I didn’t even think of that. *faceplam’s self*

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