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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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jumbofish
8 years ago

TMI chris.

TMI.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

You guys, I really, really want to date Keanu Reeves, and yet he remains stubbornly unaware of my existence. I suppose that I could look around for someone else to date, or go visit a sex worker if I’m horny, or actively try to come up with a plan to meet him, but instead I’ve decided to come here and complain about my Keanu-deprived life and how much it pains me. Why won’t you all stop whatever else you’re doing and find a way to hook me up?

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

Of course you can’t get a hold of him, he’s hiding from Denzel Washington and Kenneth Branaugh.

/Nerd

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

TMI chris.

TMI.

DEFINITELY!

@Cassandra, good luck with that, he had to be told about the Sad Keanu meme (and was then amused iirc)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I still remember Emma Thompson’s awards ceremony acceptance speech where she thanked Branaugh, etc, and finished up with “and thanks to Keanu Reeves for letting me see him naked”. A woman after my own heart, that one.

Chris
Chris
8 years ago

“You guys, I really, really want to date Keanu Reeves, and yet he remains stubbornly unaware of my existence.”

My problem isn’t that i’m picky. So my situation would be unable to get sex without paying for it. What exactly would you call that then if you don’t like the word incel?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Chris, the point we’re all trying to make is that we don’t care about your situation, and this blog does not exist to help you solve it. Your expecting us to is as ridiculous as my expecting the commentariat to hook me up with Keanu.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

I think I just figured out my issue with “incel” versus involuntary celibacy — once you shorten it it becomes a label, almost a life style if you will. So then, what happens when/if you do have sex? Do you have to turn in your incel card? And your forum friendships?

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

Look, dude, if you’re trying to get laid and you can’t get laid, it’s not because the world is being mean to you. Take up a hobby, find a networking group, make new friends, what have you. You meet potential partners from the same places you find friends.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

But Cassandra, if I could I would, you haven’t made it all about you!

Chris — We’d call you celibate, or a virgin, use a dictionary. Or, at this rate, a huge jerkwad who doesn’t know when to go away.

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

Durn, I tried to register with Love-Shy under the username needboerboel and they wouldn’t let me! This is what I said under my reason for joining: I am looking for a boerboel also I am love-shy. Where is my boerboel? I need information about boerboels I thought this would be a good place to find it.

Obviously they are a bunch of mean horrible people. Why wouldn’t they answer my questions about boerboels? This is an outrage. I might have to go to yahoo answers or even start my own blog!

katz
8 years ago

So how many sex options are you allowed to reject before it’s no longer involuntary? Can’t get sex except from prostitutes? Can’t get sex except from prostitutes and “ugly chicks?” Can’t get sex without asking someone if she wants to have sex?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

@ Argenti – Yeah, I suppose for the analogy to really work I’d need to add an extended whine about how Keanu is personally responsible for my unhappiness, and why oh why don’t movie stars go out of their way to seek out and date random women on the internet?

cloudiah
8 years ago

@chris, You have really worn out whatever welcome you had here. Please find other hobbies, get therapy, etc. and stop posting.

Bee
Bee
8 years ago

My problem isn’t that i’m picky. So my situation would be unable to get sex without paying for it. What exactly would you call that then if you don’t like the word incel?

Move to a place that has roads, Chris. Who knows. Maybe you’ll meet someone nice.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

What exactly would you call that then if you don’t like the word incel?

Lonely. That wasn’t hard.

I think I just figured out my issue with “incel” versus involuntary celibacy — once you shorten it it becomes a label, almost a life style if you will.

Yes, exactly. If you define yourself by your loneliness it only increases the odds of you staying that way. Seriously Chris, all you’re accomplishing by adopting this label is perpetually putting yourself down.

katz
8 years ago

No, incels specifically say that no one is to blame for your chronic condition of un-Keanu-sexedness.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

@Cassandra — and do so in nearly all your comments… (or is it just all his comments? I am unfamiliar with Chris’s posting history)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Also, I would have to show up on random blogs about the movie business and expect the people there to hook me up, because if a movie person is responsible for my plight then other movie people ought to want to fix it for me, right?

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

“Is someone still incel if they turned down someone?
Yes. Just because you aren’t willing to accept anyone who comes floating your way doesn’t mean your celibacy is suddenly voluntary.”

All your stupid are belong to us!!

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

@Argenti

Well, every once in a while, just to break up the monotony, he decides to ask us if we’d be bothered about women making the MRA comment du jour about men.

katz
8 years ago

Another person who suffers from un-Keanu-sexedness:

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

I have no secrets to hide from anyone right now and if I did I would feel too guilty hiding it especially if i thought it would change the way she thought of me as a person.

Then not having sex* is voluntary for you, isn’t it?

That’s really nice.

If you don’t want to be taken as an asshole, you could stop behaving like one.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Thread summary!
Page 1 — on topic
Page 2 — on topic-ish // no more off topic than usual
Page 3 — mostly polite All About Chris
Page 4 — first half All About Chris, second half discussing Chris topics
Page 5 — first half ALL ABOUT CHRIS, second half, you are here (well, unless this ends up on page 6, which, FFS, can it please not be ALL ABOUT CHRIS?)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Un-Keanu-sexedness is the greatest social justice issue of our time. Truefax.

(RE the clip – poor thing, he looks so uncomfortable. And this, folks, is why we don’t try to guilt trip people into hooking up with us.)

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

You should all stop whatever you’re doing and talk about me instead.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

So you’re only incel because the people you want to fuck won’t fuck you???

It`s just another bullshit way for Nice Guys to feel victimized.

Anti-Anti-Manboobz
8 years ago

My previous comment got lost in moderation, but you’ll be relieved to know that the Anti-Manboobz threat has been neutralized.

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

Awwwwwsommeeeeeee!

Chris
Chris
8 years ago

“If you don’t want to be taken as an asshole, you could stop behaving like one.”

Never do. Not sure what you mean.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

So, all about GingerSnaps? Zir icon looks like a flower, let’s start there?

@Anti-Anti-Manboobz — XD excellent

jumbofish
8 years ago

@katz
And so it begins….

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

Never do. Not sure what you mean.

Actually showing up on someone else’s blog and demanding all comment makers get you laid is generally perceived as assholery.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

I’m also watching treasure planet! Pirates! In SPACE!!!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

So, GingerSnaps, what can we all do for you today? I’m sure you must be commenting here because you have a pressing need that we should all solve for you, since that’s how blog commenting works.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Chris, more than half this thread has been about your lack of sex life. That’s pretty assholeish.

And that video! Keanu’s expression at “I’ve never seen any of the Matrix movies” versus the woman who wants to kiss him! Yeah, awkwaaardd.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

@GingerSnaps
Awesome!! I need to watch that and Sinbad again (high school memories)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Shit, I typo’ed my close tag, the bold should end after “more than half”

Chris
Chris
8 years ago

“Actually showing up on someone else’s blog and demanding all comment makers get you laid is generally perceived as assholery.”

Huh? I don’t remember doing that.

This is how I remember it

1) I asked on topic question
2) People got mad at me, upset I said that I was going to make my own blog and talk about issues that I want to talk about.
3) I mention Incel is one of those issues
4) People question me about Incel accuse me of feeling entitled
5) I say asking for help doesn’t mean you’re entitled
6) People accuse me of demanding they help me get laid.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

My pressing need is that, um… I don’t like putting things in my va-jay-jay? I don’t have a problem with it, but it seems everyone else does.

Because, MISANDRY!!1!!1! (we need at least one of these in a thread, right?)

Chris
Chris
8 years ago

But i’ll leave it at that and I have nothing else to say so i’m out. later.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

“I don’t remember doing that.

This is how I remember it”

I should get a dollar for every time I hear this.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

7) Chris realises that his perception of events is deeply warped, decides to stop annoying people in the future

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“Pirates! In SPACE!!!” Doctor Who did that recently. (spoilers from early last season)

Chris
Chris
8 years ago

“Chris realises that his perception of events is deeply warped, decides to stop annoying people in the future”

Go ahead and look back at the posts.

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

Is this the fourth flounce by Chris? Will he stay away this time? *crosses fingers*

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

8) Chris realises that his constant prattling about incel stuff on a blog devoted to mocking misogyny is ridiculous, doesn’t come back to do so again

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“My pressing need is that, um… I don’t like putting things in my va-jay-jay? I don’t have a problem with it, but it seems everyone else does.”

You know, that could actually count as misogyny…the only sex is PiV is certainly not a good troupe…if you want us to convince people they can have sexytimes with you by doing other acts, pretty sure that’s not nearly as far off topic as involuntary celibacy…

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

I spoke too soon!

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

Can we redefine “asshole” as “not sticking the flounce”?

I put in an official motion.

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