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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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Chris
Chris
12 years ago

So if I do a blog i’m going to write about incel issues, how incel people are viewed by society. My thoughts on gender related issues. Plus just like any comments on current events or news that I feel like commenting on. And i’d like to point out instances of in the media where incel characters are made fun of for example. My blog will also not allow any hateful comments in the comments section.

The only problem is i have no idea what to name the blog because i’m not good at coming up with creative names. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“I might just make my own blog where I can talk about whatever I want.”

That is the point of making one’s own blog, yes. You have fun with that, do try to pick a less atrocious theme than most of the anti-manboobz blogs have.

Seriously MRAs, if you’re going to blog, learn some html and css, maybe some JS and/or jQuery/MooTools/something. No one, not even other MRAs, will read it if it makes their eyes bled. Oh and avoid flash, it’s really not meant for that (try html5 instead, it’ll make you look smart and is actually meant for that). /geekery

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

The only problem is i have no idea what to name the blog because i’m not good at coming up with creative names. Does anyone have any suggestions?

How about, “Confessions of a troll who can’t stick a flounce”?

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

@hellkell — oh I know, I just wanted to give some context to my note about socialization. I’m sorry if that came off as disagreeing with you. Systemic misandry is certainly a laughable concept. (One I can only spell because my Latin spelling is better than my English spelling >.< )

jumbofish
12 years ago

So if I do a blog i’m going to write about incel issues, how incel people are viewed by society. My thoughts on gender related issues. Plus just like any comments on current events or news that I feel like commenting on. And i’d like to point out instances of in the media where incel characters are made fun of for example.

Great? I care why?

My blog will also not allow any hateful comments in the comments section.

passive agressiveeee, what is that?

The only problem is i have no idea what to name the blog because i’m not good at coming up with creative names. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Hurr very funny after what we all said

I think your attempts to try to go to your blog are failing dude. XD

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Chris, if you’re just going to blog whatever’s on your mind, “Chris’s thoughts” is always acceptable; “Musings of an MRA” has a nice alliteration to it though.

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

“You have fun with that, do try to pick a less atrocious theme than most of the anti-manboobz blogs have”

My blog will not be an “anti-manboobz” blog. It has nothing to do with this site whatsoever.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
12 years ago

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women?

Notice how quickly JtO`s anger turns from bitterness towards “feminists” to bitterness towards “women”.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Argenti: OK, wasn’t sure.

Chris, how about: The Cranial-Rectal Inversion Report?

I don’t care where you go or what you do. It’s not like I’m gonna be visiting your blog of magic.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Oh, oh! See if you can get your friend Dave who seems to show up in every thread you post in to write a few “guest posts” for you!

jumbofish
12 years ago

It has nothing to do with this site whatsoever.

Well you you were just inspired right now by this blog since people did not want to talk about Chris’s Issues and Questions. Also if it has nothing to do with this blog why tell us what its about and ask for out input about the name?

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

MArkyMark has the market cornered on thoughts though.

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

“Chris, if you’re just going to blog whatever’s on your mind, “Chris’s thoughts” is always acceptable; “Musings of an MRA” has a nice alliteration to it though.”

Musings of an MRA won’t work because i’m not an MRA. I’m just trying to form my own opinion’s on things rather than being an MRA or a Feminist maybe i’m neither and it’s okay to be neither.

Chris’s thoughts is an ok name. I might head off to yahoo answers and ask for creative blog names.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

Huh, that’s cool about Roger Ebert you guys, but can you answer my legitimate question about crochet squares? What?! You don’t want to talk about crochet squares?!?! Well I’ll just get my own crochet blog then! You’ll be sorry! You’ll all be sorryyyyyyy!

Sharculese
12 years ago

well, i hope you weren’t thinking about rutteeisapoophead.blogspot.com because that one appears to be taken

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

“Also if it has nothing to do with this blog why tell us what its about and ask for out input about the name?”

I don’t know but I feel like my motives are questioned no matter what I say on here.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Also Chris — “So if I do a blog i’m going to write about incel issues…My blog will also not allow any hateful comments in the comments section.” — you can only do that if you don’t say you’re entitled to sex. As everyone is entitled to say no, whenever they want, whyever they want, with or without a “good enough” reason. Everyone is entitled not to be raped in other words, and this fundamentally trumps your desire for sex.

And regardless your topic, really, pick a theme that doesn’t cause eye bleeding, bad web design is bad. That’s like, a tautological truism.

(yes I realize tautological truism is redundant)

jumbofish
12 years ago

I might head off to yahoo answers and ask for creative blog names.

HAAHAAHAAHAHAHA

*dies*

Why not ask your friend “Dave”? I am sure he will have good input.

jumbofish
12 years ago

I don’t know but I feel like my motives are questioned no matter what I say on here.

Oh gee golly I wonder why, maybe its because you do have alternate motives?

blitzgal
12 years ago

What the fuck is incel?

Sharculese
12 years ago

I might head off to yahoo answers and ask for creative blog names.

well that is just the best idea ever.

jumbofish
12 years ago

What the fuck is incel?

involuntary celibate…aka its crap

Sharculese
12 years ago

What the fuck is incel?

dudes who think not getting laid is a medical condition, basically

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Visercia — please start a crochet blog, all I can make are scarves!

jumbofish — idk about de facto crap, but it’s certainly crap when they start saying there’s nothing they could do to improve — I have a friend who’s rather socially awkward and thus often asking for dating advice…he realizes the problem is that he turns into a nervous wreck around anyone he likes — that’s what’s generally lacking from people who say “incel” though. They don’t mean “how do I improve” they mean “why won’t she fuck me!?!” and she doesn’t need a reason, she’s not interested, move on!

blitzgal
12 years ago

involuntary celibate…aka its crap

dudes who think not getting laid is a medical condition, basically

Ah, so followup question — do they think only men have this problem?

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