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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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Chris
Chris
12 years ago

Just wondering, if a woman somewhere expressed the opinion that women are superior to men would you guys be as offended as you would be by the reverse?

Shaenon
12 years ago

Wait a minute. If men created all culture and run it at all levels, and are the only people who do anything ever, why do they permit all this man-hating?

jumbofish
12 years ago

Just wondering, if a woman somewhere expressed the opinion that women are superior to men would you guys be as offended as you would be by the reverse?

ahhh I see it now! you come here to ask random questions to feminists in attempt to troll. Got it.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Shaenon: Like I said, I suddenly think the dude is parody.

Just wondering, if a woman somewhere expressed the opinion that women are superior to men would you guys be as offended as you would be by the reverse?

I’m not ‘offended’ either way, I’m just facepalming at how wrong the statements are.

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

Jumbofish: why is it trolling? It’s a legitimate question.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

@cloudiah

I didn’t realize the MRM appreciated poetry so much!

Why no…no, I’m not crying.

I’ve just got allergies is all. And I stubbed my toe. Stubbed my toe—with love!

jumbofish
12 years ago

I roll my eyes at manhaters and people who stereotype men as dumb emotionless brutes but atlas they are not that common compared to the general misogyny that exists in the world. Not speaking for other feminist but yes it offends me more than the reverse because misogyny is so ingrained in our culture while misandry is not. Done with your inquisitions that are entirely innocent? or perhaps you would like to derail another thread with ask feminists random shit hour?

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Chris:

Just wondering, if a woman somewhere expressed the opinion that women are superior to men would you guys be as offended as you would be by the reverse?

Asked and answered already. GTFO.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

Men set up an anti-male culture? Why?

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Chris, you’re saying it’s a legitimate question to ask in the comment thread of a post that is entirely about how saying women are “superior” is not actually a good thing? No, no it isn’t. It’s trolling.

jumbofish
12 years ago

oops I misread. Putting females as superior is just as dumb as the reverse really. Again if you fucking read this thread you would know that claiming women are perfect creatures can be just as misogynist as the reverse of women being inferior. Women are people.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Chris has tried this before in other threads. Still not working.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
12 years ago

How I hate it when trolls think they’re being clever.

Chris
Chris
12 years ago

Ok ignore my comment. I might just make my own blog where I can talk about whatever I want.

jumbofish
12 years ago

Hahahah go do that.

Also no need to get all passive aggressive because people don’t want to answer your random questions each time you ask them.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Go, Chris, GO LIKE THE WIND AND BLOG WITH YOUR BAD SELF. Carry on, my wayward son.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Lol Chris did you see where Jumbofish answered your asinine comment twice? Gawd I hope he sticks the flounce this time. What is this the third time now?

jumbofish
12 years ago

jumbofish
12 years ago

^
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(hellkell inspired me to post this for you chris)

jumbofish
12 years ago

Lol Chris did you see where Jumbofish answered your asinine comment twice?

Well I didn’t answer it civilly!! that or he covered his ears and was like lalallalaala carry on my wayyyward sonnnn

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

don’t you cryyyy nooo moooorreee!!!

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

@hellkell — “It’s “hard to call out” because misandry is not real.” — the systemic misandry they claim to fight certainly isn’t, but individuals hating individual men? I’d imagine that happens about as often as a man is an asshole (and the reverse at equal rates)

The difference between that and an individual man hating an individual woman? How many men are socialized that hatred is a BAD BAD THING they must never ever feel about anyone no matter how vile the person may be?

@Mikhael — if it’s a culture set up by men, run by men, and man-hating, go fix your own shit?

David, oh great overlord of all, are Mikhael and Chris one in the same?

Sharculese
12 years ago

Ok ignore my comment. I might just make my own blog where I can talk about whatever I want.

oh no. anything but that.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Next he’s gonna ask for dating tips and tricks.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Argenti, they’re rarely talking about individuals when they claim misandry (which even then, I’d just call that basic assholism and let it go). MRAs always mean some vast systemic injustice, and that’s not a thing.

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