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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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Anna
Anna
12 years ago

Aw, I was getting a bit carried away and imagining The Cockettes, three penises in beehive wigs like a 60s girl group

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

“You have genitals not stereotypically associated with your gender!” is not a level I want to stoop to.

Especially since it doesn’t even really work in reverse. “She’s got balls” is a compliment.

Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

I would totally pay to see The Cockettes.

chocomintlipwax
12 years ago

Boy, I sure wish Sharon Osbourne hadn’t said that one thing once.

Not because it wasn’t a nice thing to say (I mean, it wasn’t), but because then these guys would stop bringing it up all the time.

But that’s what they do, isn’t it? “A woman said a thing once!” and then they cling to it forever as evidence that women suck.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.” — curious, considering I’ve heard feminist men questioning where the Lysistrata protests are, only to tell them they probably don’t need to worry any…wouldn’t surprise me much if the MRAs were actually “suffering” from women, well, actually going there own way (or at least going to men who respect them)

“These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity)” — women are still not pets >.<

"'Quack quack quack!'
Well, there’s a thoughtful argument."

Hey now, I'm pretty sure I've heard "quack quack quack" as a thoughtful argument…from a duck that is. quack this water quack is too cold quack

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

Chocomintlipwax – Can you imagine if we held them to the standard of “any bad thing any man has ever said or done?”

Holy fuck, we’d be here all day.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Oh, I see the “in capitivity” shit has already been torn apart, in that case I’ll leave you all with the first lines of The Cruxshadow’s Sophia and actually read the comments.

Spoken: (the human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty)

Hmm, that sounds like the feministe argument to me…

darksidecat
darksidecat
12 years ago

Women and children already work in the coal industry, in factories that make garments and other products, in agricultural labor, etc. and always have. The fact that MRAs can’t figure out that child labor is not uncommon in certain sectors and places shows just how much they don’t give the tiniest of fucks about poor workers. It’s a cheap excuse, they don’t know shit about it and they don’t care to.

ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

Who is going to keep the power on? The famous coal mining women and oil rig women? Your pampered lifestyle is at the cost of thousands of men every year.

See now this? I am not really so concerned about. The thing about unskilled labor? Is that it is UNSKILLED. You are replaceable. Sorry, it’s the truth. I’ve worked in factories. I know. You quit, they WILL hire someone else. They generally just don’t give a shit. All dudes quit? They’ll hire women. Yeah, the company might lose a bit of money having to do all that paperwork, but they are not going to shut down if they can help it.

Quite frankly, it’s not the supposedly imminent dude strike that scares me so much as it’s the epic whining blowback that’ll come from the dudes a month later who demand to have their jobs back.

That’s assuming you could convince all men to quit their jobs. Which, good luck with that since a) not all men are MRAs and b) the economy currently sucks.

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

If women quit doing unpaid labor–not even all labor, heavens no–just the unpaid housecleaning and babysitting and cooking and personal-shopping and financial management and gardening and pet care–boy would men be in trouble.

Something to consider any time you’re idly threatening some comic-book-fantasy “man strike.”

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

MRAs are too shortsighted to realize that their main beef is with capitalism, not feminism. The system’s not set up to give the tiniest fucks about anyone/anything but the bottom line.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“If women quit doing unpaid labor–not even all labor, heavens no–just the unpaid housecleaning and babysitting and cooking and personal-shopping and financial management and gardening and pet care–boy would men be in trouble.”

I’d give it about 3 hours before my parents house had epic meltdown when my (23 year old) brother realized he was out of microwavable snacks >.<

Yeah, just mocking my brother, it's what older siblings are for right?

MRAs are too shortsighted to realize that their main beef is with capitalism, not feminism. The system’s not set up to give the tiniest fucks about anyone/anything but the bottom line.

hellkell, would you get embarrassed if I gave that a standing ovation? or would that be acceptable?

cloudiah
12 years ago

Seconding the standing ovation for hellkell.

SMK has shown up here at least once before, under the name michael kuehl. Unless that text is from some kind of MRA trolling handbook about how to plant terrible messages on feminist blogs…

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
12 years ago

What happens if all or most of the men aren’t going to work?…um well. Didn’t that more or less happen during the two World Wars? I mean, it wasn’t as if the men didn’t want to stay home and work, but they weren’t here to do the jobs because the government sent most of them overseas. And the nation did not collapse. Women even made tthings like planes and guns and worked their family farms etc….

So I’m sure its a nice fantasy, but not really something I’ll sweat over.

Also, these guys need to checK out Canadas tarsands. Plenty of women working all sorts of manly jobs over there.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

pillowinhell, Unimaginative mentioned their female relatives working the tarsands and that great idiot NWO called them a liar.

Thanks cloudiah and Argenti, but no need for a standing o!

ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

@pillowinhell

Yeah I was about to say the exact same thing. With these guys they like to either pretend women have never worked a not so great job (which seriously, you are an ass if you think nursing or teaching is a breeze) in their lives, or when we point out the ones that have or currently do, they cry “quotas”!

Like, hey, do you want us working the shit jobs right alongside you or don’t you? Cause ya can’t have it both ways fellas.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

The MRA’s that think that pink collar jobs are easy have never worked in the toddler room of a daycare during an outbreak of the stomach flu.

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
12 years ago

Man strike? Okay yeah, dudes, DO IT! Please! I can hardly wait to see all the fucks that will not be given.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Kendra — or even just one toddler with the nickname of “the spit up child” — his parents did a lot of (rather unneeded) apologizing for what he did to my shirt. I learned fast not to wear a white shirt around him (or any shirt I liked for that matter).

MRAs seem to think childcare is SUPER EASY because they already make themselves dinner, so how hard can one more mouth be? They already take out the trash, so how bad can diapers be? Pretty sure they’ve never even babysit for an hour.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

@Shadow:

He showed up here as michael kuehl, and here as Michael K.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

SMK showed up, I mean.

cloudiah
12 years ago

What do you want us to think, oh misandric overlord?