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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

One would think a successful mirror-manboobz would be able to comment on more than two or three people.

nwoslave
9 years ago

What’s this? A mainstream media article glorifying women while at the same time vilifying men? What an oh so rare happenstance. I’m sure there’ll be hell to pay. Why if one women anywhere is slighted it’s a, “war on women.” Surely ridiculing all men will draw supreme ire from those with the power.

I guess to find out what women as a whole think of the article one could read the comment section.

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

ribbit ribbit *misandry* ribbit

Or wait, is that just frogs?

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 years ago

Oh, also, I’m banning SMK for general spammy ickiness. Thanks, lickspittle toadies, for pointing out his previous comments!

I live to serve! And to hate men, obvs.

red_locker
9 years ago

“lickspittle toadies”

Shakespeare, eat your heart out.

No, but seriously, all anti-manboobz seems to do is call people names…and they stink at it.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

@long time lurker — “Andybob got me thinking. If a male feminist is a mangina, what do you call a lady MRA? womanis? peman? ladick?” — dense, clueless or idiotic all work by me, I, for one, prefer not to make insults based on genitals, full stop

And/or, what Tuggey said: “I vote for not insulting people with recourse to their genitals, and instead mocking their terrible ideas and sloppy thinking.”

@SMK — so when you wake up with your ex mounting you, I’ll make sure to remind you that’s not rape? Believe it or not, not only is that rape, it’s even legal rape in every state I’ve checked. As for “violent sexual assaults(?)” — I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on this — some states do not have the crime of “rape” on the books, but rather use “sexual assault” instead…exactly to get around the public assumption that rape is PiV non-consensual sex. (Go google CT’s sexual assault laws for example)

Since he’s not here in good faith, take that as playing to the gallery/the rest of you.

@Cliff — the sword of Damocles would be a good reference if they weren’t so danged stupid sometimes >.< (they didn't need to say "dangling like death" it's implied by the metaphor)

@Vindicare —
1) Please don't goad the trolls
2) "Don’t tell women to protect themselves, tell men not to rape!" — I get the impression you live under a rock, so news flash, that's wtf feminists have been saying for at least the last decade
3) "you can live a long life on heroine" — Best. Typo. Ever. I think you meant heroin, a heroine is a female hero.

@David Futrelle — "t’s psychological manipulation on a global scale" — you have so much more power than I'd known! I'm impressed!

Oh, SKM got banned before I got caught up…I'm leaving my reply as it was more for the genuinely curious than his trolling anyways. I'm finally caught up, w00t!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Tulgey, not Tuggey, sorry!

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

@Viscaria & cloudiah

Cheers

@littlem

I tried to come up with something clever, but couldn’t top Sharculese :$

Remember what I said about subtle bigotry?

I’m pretty sure someone would have to have read anti-Rutee/David to remember wtf he said, so he’s pretty SOL.

Shaenon
9 years ago

I love it when they threaten to go Galt. It’s so cute, I want to pinch their cheeks.

Shaenon
9 years ago

Remember what I said about subtle bigotry? This is a prime example.

I have to agree with this. “Women aren’t better than men” is awfully subtle bigotry, all right.

God, I wish I had to deal with bigotry that subtle.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

It’s apparently time for a history lesson for NWO.

“Why if one women anywhere is slighted it’s a, “war on women.” ” — you may want to review Griswald v Connecticut, namely the part about birth control being between the parties involved (assumed to be married when the case was decided) and the doctor — the state/gov’n hasn’t had a legal place in the bedroom since 1965. And trying to force its way back into the bedroom with local laws is seriously underhanded. SCoTUS definitely trumps all these local/state laws making birth control, the morning after pill, and abortion harder to obtain.

Also, in case this is news to you not all men want to have kids. Shocking, I know, but TRUFAX!

No amount of people calling men evil (which isn’t what Ebert’s doing anyways) would be comparable, not until the name calling rises to the level of preventing men from accessing things that have been declared legal rights. When voting booths start doing genital checks and only letting vagina-havers vote, then you can complain (except feminists will have beaten you to it in reality-land) — when abusive mother’s start getting custody because the father brought up abuse and thus must be causing trouble, then you can complain. Should I continue? (probably not, NWO doesn’t listen after all)

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Aaaaaand here’s NWO to miss the point as usual. It’s nice to know that train is never late.

NWO, if you could read, perhaps you’d see that no one here really agrees with Ebert.

lauralot89
9 years ago

Nonsense, hellkell, it’s clear that EVERYONE agrees, and we’re just pretending otherwise so no one will know about the EVIL FEMINIST MEDIA CONSPIRACY ARUGHEIAGJDKHG BALHTGVH.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
9 years ago

Silly MRAs, don’t they know boycotting everything for a month is the ONE sure-fire way to make sure there’s a matriarchal takeover???

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

@hellkell — yeah, really, frankly Ebert’s gender binary reinforcement rather annoyed me, but if we’re discussing the feministe response versus the AVfM one, Jill wins hands down.

And feministe isn’t agreeing with Ebert either, though I’m not wading through the ev-psych BS until I finish my tea >.<

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Something tells me that if feminists started categorizing men as mostly woman-hating cretins, that too would be part of the “anti-male conspiracy” and not “righteous anger” at the “over indulged” gender.

In other news, please accept this beautiful poem inspired by John the Other:

Slant rhymes and noises are fun!

Bing! Zang! Zoom!

These are the sounds of a gun!

Bang! Bang! Boom!

Hey look, I sound like a duck!

Quack! Quack! Quack!

MRAs don’t know from fuck!

Chirp! Chirp! Chirp!

Life’s hard as a lickspittle toady!

Ribbit! Robbit! Roo!

It’s a lot like being a roadie!

Vroom! Vroom! Vroom!

If half of the planet were gone—

Poof poof poof!—

how would the other get on?

Sob! Sob! Sob!

Life is hard being a Great Writer like myself and John the Other. You get into a groove and the groove sweeps you away like a raging freshet. I don’t know why I’m even saying this; it’s not like the rest of you could understand the genius these creations entail.

Mikhael Varpole
Mikhael Varpole
9 years ago

I disdain commenting here for obvious reasons, but I have to clarify that subtle or “benign” misandry can be as damaging as overt bigotry- moreso, even, because it’s harder to call out. Radfem-level misandry can usually be dismissed (usually). But less overt displays of male-hatred are very difficult, because the concept has no veracity in a misandric, male-hating, anti-man culture. A culture, by the way, that MEN set up, and MEN continue to run, at both the low and high levels.

cloudiah
9 years ago

@Tulgey, I bow before your genius.

Please allow me to praise you in the manner of AVfM commenters praising JtO’s mad writing skillz:
“Thorough and powerful.” ~Antz
“Priceless.” ~Kimski
“Again, some of the best journalismpoetry anywhere. Alas, if only the ‘pros’ could use such analyticalliterary skills – not to mention write as clearly as those who contribute here.” ~wholebrainartist
“On fire as usual brother.” ~jms5762
“ENCORE! EN-FUCKING-CORE! Doubleplusgood duckspeak,comrade.” ~ThoughtCriminal
“As soon as the Purple Cow starts getting attention he needs to adapt to it.” ~keyster*

*Okay, that one isn’t praise, it’s more like a MRA koan.

glasgow sex worker
9 years ago

“This is why I started Anti-Manboobz.”

Oh my God, I am SO delighted to hear there is an ‘anti-Manboobz’. Can someone start an anti-anti-manboobz? I could see this proliferating until the ENTIRE INTERNET is organised into warring camps of anti-anti-anti-manboobz Vs anti-anti-manboobz. YAS.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

oh lord, is this lackwit an MRA Parody? XD

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

MV:

I disdain commenting here for obvious reasons, but I have to clarify that subtle or “benign” misandry can be as damaging as overt bigotry- moreso, even, because it’s harder to call out.

BULLSHIT. You have to comment here, because you have fuckall going on over there.

It’s “hard to call out” because misandry is not real.

Sharculese
Sharculese
9 years ago

I disdain commenting here for obvious reasons

because you can’t handle any kind of criticism and you know we’re the only ones who read your blog anyway?

jumbofish
9 years ago

I disdain commenting here for obvious reasons, but I have to clarify that subtle or “benign” misandry can be as damaging as overt bigotry- moreso, even, because it’s harder to call out. Radfem-level misandry can usually be dismissed (usually). But less overt displays of male-hatred are very difficult, because the concept has no veracity in a misandric, male-hating, anti-man culture. A culture, by the way, that MEN set up, and MEN continue to run, at both the low and high levels.

Oh god this is rich. Your “fanboy” is here rutee. XD

Shaenon
9 years ago

Bless your heart, honey, there’s a difference between subtle bigotry and no bigotry at all.

Chris
Chris
9 years ago

Just wondering, if a woman somewhere expressed the opinion that women are superior to men would you guys be as offended as you would be by the reverse?

Shaenon
9 years ago

Wait a minute. If men created all culture and run it at all levels, and are the only people who do anything ever, why do they permit all this man-hating?

jumbofish
9 years ago

Just wondering, if a woman somewhere expressed the opinion that women are superior to men would you guys be as offended as you would be by the reverse?

ahhh I see it now! you come here to ask random questions to feminists in attempt to troll. Got it.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Shaenon: Like I said, I suddenly think the dude is parody.

Just wondering, if a woman somewhere expressed the opinion that women are superior to men would you guys be as offended as you would be by the reverse?

I’m not ‘offended’ either way, I’m just facepalming at how wrong the statements are.

Chris
Chris
9 years ago

Jumbofish: why is it trolling? It’s a legitimate question.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

@cloudiah

I didn’t realize the MRM appreciated poetry so much!

Why no…no, I’m not crying.

I’ve just got allergies is all. And I stubbed my toe. Stubbed my toe—with love!

jumbofish
9 years ago

I roll my eyes at manhaters and people who stereotype men as dumb emotionless brutes but atlas they are not that common compared to the general misogyny that exists in the world. Not speaking for other feminist but yes it offends me more than the reverse because misogyny is so ingrained in our culture while misandry is not. Done with your inquisitions that are entirely innocent? or perhaps you would like to derail another thread with ask feminists random shit hour?

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Chris:

Just wondering, if a woman somewhere expressed the opinion that women are superior to men would you guys be as offended as you would be by the reverse?

Asked and answered already. GTFO.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Men set up an anti-male culture? Why?

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

Chris, you’re saying it’s a legitimate question to ask in the comment thread of a post that is entirely about how saying women are “superior” is not actually a good thing? No, no it isn’t. It’s trolling.

jumbofish
9 years ago

oops I misread. Putting females as superior is just as dumb as the reverse really. Again if you fucking read this thread you would know that claiming women are perfect creatures can be just as misogynist as the reverse of women being inferior. Women are people.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Chris has tried this before in other threads. Still not working.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
9 years ago

How I hate it when trolls think they’re being clever.

Chris
Chris
9 years ago

Ok ignore my comment. I might just make my own blog where I can talk about whatever I want.

jumbofish
9 years ago

Hahahah go do that.

Also no need to get all passive aggressive because people don’t want to answer your random questions each time you ask them.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Go, Chris, GO LIKE THE WIND AND BLOG WITH YOUR BAD SELF. Carry on, my wayward son.

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

Lol Chris did you see where Jumbofish answered your asinine comment twice? Gawd I hope he sticks the flounce this time. What is this the third time now?

jumbofish
9 years ago

jumbofish
9 years ago

^
l
(hellkell inspired me to post this for you chris)

jumbofish
9 years ago

Lol Chris did you see where Jumbofish answered your asinine comment twice?

Well I didn’t answer it civilly!! that or he covered his ears and was like lalallalaala carry on my wayyyward sonnnn

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

don’t you cryyyy nooo moooorreee!!!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

@hellkell — “It’s “hard to call out” because misandry is not real.” — the systemic misandry they claim to fight certainly isn’t, but individuals hating individual men? I’d imagine that happens about as often as a man is an asshole (and the reverse at equal rates)

The difference between that and an individual man hating an individual woman? How many men are socialized that hatred is a BAD BAD THING they must never ever feel about anyone no matter how vile the person may be?

@Mikhael — if it’s a culture set up by men, run by men, and man-hating, go fix your own shit?

David, oh great overlord of all, are Mikhael and Chris one in the same?

Sharculese
Sharculese
9 years ago

Ok ignore my comment. I might just make my own blog where I can talk about whatever I want.

oh no. anything but that.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Next he’s gonna ask for dating tips and tricks.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Argenti, they’re rarely talking about individuals when they claim misandry (which even then, I’d just call that basic assholism and let it go). MRAs always mean some vast systemic injustice, and that’s not a thing.