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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

Sexual assault rate, I meant.

🙁

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

Yeah, it does actually. Because it wasn’t a statement about how sex and smoking are similar. It was debunking your sarcastic implication that cultural attitudes can’t be changed.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
12 years ago

Cliff’s point was that rape – not sex, RAPE – is a socially sanctioned activity, not an innate one, and changing cultural attitudes about it will make it go away (mostly).

Your point was that having healthy sex is like taking opiates, which it is not.

See the difference?

(Although I, personally, would like to live a long life on heroine. I can haz Katniss?)

zhinxy
12 years ago

“GingerSnaps, then Cliff’s comparison with smoking doesn’t work, too… ”

Well, yes it does, because it wasn’t a direct comparison “SEX IS LIKE SMOKING, SLUTWALKS CAUSE SEX CANCER OF THE SEX LUNGS”, but an example of how societal attitudes and behaviours can shift greatly.

ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

I really really love the “feminists are saying women “SHOULDN’T PROTECT THEMSELVES OR SHOW AWARENESS AND SHOULD PASS OUT DRUNK AT ALL PARTIES BECAUSE THEY ARE EXTREMIST LUNATICS” tack. Because saying that rapists choose to rape and none of those activities summon them like neutral rape genies and cultural ideas can change is totally about telling women to let their guard down and try these yummy roofies.

But, you know, if a woman plays it safe and doesn’t accept a drink she doesn’t see poured herself from a man she’s never met and doesn’t accept a ride home from a strange man she’s never met, it’s all “WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU MAN HATER?!?! WHAT, DO YOU THINK ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS?!?!?11!?!”

Can’t fucking win when the goalposts keep moving.

zhinxy
12 years ago

And you know what? We tell people from childhood on not to lie or steal or jaywalk, without people screaming about how unrealistic it is and how all the non-lying-thieving-cross-the-road-when-and-where-they-pleasers are being demonized. We can tell people not to rape.

zhinxy
12 years ago

“But, you know, if a woman plays it safe and doesn’t accept a drink she doesn’t see poured herself from a man she’s never met and doesn’t accept a ride home from a strange man she’s never met, it’s all “WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU MAN HATER?!?! WHAT, DO YOU THINK ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS?!?!?11!?!”

Can’t fucking win when the goalposts keep moving.”

ding!ding!ding!

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

My point is that cultures are different, both between cultures and over time, and unless you are literally typing this from your cave on a mammoth-tusk keyboard, I think you can see how self-evident that is.

And sexual assault rates also differ–massively–between cultures and over time. Therefore it obviously is linked to culture, and can be changed via culture.

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

But as we can’t tolerate people advertising opioid use, we can’t tolerate slut walks.

I’d also like to mention that using slutwalks as a synonym for having sex is completely missing the fucking point.

ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

For obvious anatomical reasons, women can’t rape anyone, male or female, in the pure and literal sense of the word.

Oh do kindly shut the fuck up until you can say something at least a little less stupid. Which, considering how stupid your entire post was, shouldn’t be too difficult.

Sharculese
12 years ago

vindicare, tell me more about this crime prevention system that doesn’t focus on the perpetrators it sounds fascinatingly in a completely backwards sort of way.

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

I worded that poorly. What I meant was, slutwalks are not advertisements for having sex.

Vindicare
Vindicare
12 years ago

Cliff,

Ever notice how the sexual rate in every country in the world is exactly the same and has been for the last two thousand years?

No, they are very different, but I see something that corroborates SMK’s theory.

Gingersnaps,

Your point was that having healthy sex is like taking opiates, which it is not.

So, at the bottom line, what’s the difference between a horny DSK and a nervous junkie?

pujeemuhs
pujeemuhs
12 years ago

“4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.”

This is the level of brain power we’re working with here.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Is it a requirement over there at AVfM to be a large ham about everything?

Pretty much.

Has SMK been here before? Not that it really matters, an asshole is an asshole. But the ones who should know better are the worst.

Pear_tree
Pear_tree
12 years ago

Sharculese, some of my friends were attacked in the middle of a busy shopping town, in the center of town, on a busy day. Luckily one of the shops sheltered them from more physical harm while the police were called. The police advised them that they shouldn’t dress gothic in future, as this was bound to happen if they did.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

But as we can’t tolerate people advertising opioid use, we can’t tolerate slut walks.

lolwut? This may be the dumbest thing Vindicare’s ever said.

Xtra
Xtra
12 years ago

“Andybob got me thinking. If a male feminist is a mangina, what do you call a lady MRA? womanis? peman? ladick?”

I vote for lascrotum

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

Who is going to keep the power on? The famous coal mining women and oil rig women? Your pampered lifestyle is at the cost of thousands of men every year.

Buttman, are you are coal miner? Do you work on an oil rig? If not, then you do not get to take credit for my house having electricity.

Bostonian
12 years ago

From reading their words, it appears that MRAs take courses in Comic Book Villain Speeches.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Kendra, I’m sure if we harnessed the power of his bullshit, he could power a small city. 😉

Anna
Anna
12 years ago

““Andybob got me thinking. If a male feminist is a mangina, what do you call a lady MRA? womanis? peman? ladick?”

Cockette?

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

Personally, I get along better with women than with men, a tendency which has disabused me of any notion that “women are just nicer.” Then again, women aren’t awful in general, either.

[inexplicable duck onomatopoeia here]

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

LOL, hellkell, more like the entire earth!

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

I vote for not insulting people with recourse to their genitals, and instead mocking their terrible ideas and sloppy thinking.