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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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Flib
Flib
12 years ago

Rutee: And don’t forget that you are also controlling all trade ever with your ships, to further control the world for the feminist conspiracy. Profit? Psh. You are moving these spices to disenfranchise men!

The one who controls the spices controls men, clearly.

ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

viscaria’s got a lot more threatening to start a blog to do before she can actually start a blog

And a lot more whining to do before she threatens to start a blog.

jumbofish
12 years ago

I left on comment on his more recent post so we will have to see if he actually lets it through.

jumbofish
12 years ago

The antiboobz site I mean XD

Sharculese
12 years ago

i thought about doing that but then i decided it’s funnier when he has to condescend to post here to find out whether or not we still think he’s a clown

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

Who controls the desert controls the spice; and who directs the Fremen controls the desert.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

I like how he said

Even when it is a male hand holding the pen, a male voice speaking into the mic, they are generally manginas who kowtow to female demands (see: Roger Ebert; Bill Clinton; H.L. Mencken). Thus, they are mouthpieces for the misandrist NWO, and are not in any way representative of men as a class; it’s just a different mechanism for the female perspective.

Like most conspiracy theories, the MRA one that says feminists secretly rule the world is unfalsifiable. If you point at that more men are in positions of power than women, it just means that women are ruthless puppet masters for the men in charge. He’s arguing that feminists are like the emperor from Star Wars, and that men with power are more like Darth Vader. I want to know how MRA’s can reconcile this belief with their belief that women in general are stupid. If women are stupid with rationalization hamsters instead of brains, then how did we take over the world?

Sharculese
12 years ago

he knows hl mencken has been dead for fifty years, right?

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

he knows hl mencken has been dead for fifty years, right?

Feminists are so powerful, we even control the undead.

katz
12 years ago

He’s hanging out with zombie Montgomery Clift.

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Tulgey, you ninja’d me!!!

Sharculese
12 years ago

He’s hanging out with zombie Montgomery Clift.

is he alive? can he still feel?

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

I guess you could say we…

(⌐■_■)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
( •_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

have our share of anti-cs.

blitzgal
12 years ago

Anti-Manboobz has actually ventured into the belly of the beast and commented on Manboobz, to explain to us that the word MEN is customarily written in all caps. Not to worry: Anti-Anti-Manboobz is on the job. I have commented on his post and am eagerly awaiting his commenting on my post about commenting on his post about commenting on David’s post. Perhaps David can then comment on his comment and we can close the circle outright.

Tee hee!

cloudiah
12 years ago

Katz, this is for you:

katz
12 years ago

Aww, now I’m blushing.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Which one of our constantly returning trolls is anti-manboobz? Has to be one, especially given the obsession with Rutee.

Sharculese
12 years ago

Huh. HL Mencken, as much as I enjoy reading him, was not exactly known for his devotion to women’s rights; he was if anything a bit of a misogynist.

and bill clinton was complicit in the right-wing demonization of poor mothers, but y’know, his wife is a shrewbitchharpyballbuster so MANGINA!

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

Which one of our constantly returning trolls is anti-manboobz? Has to be one, especially given the obsession with Rutee.

Could just be a long-time lurker.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

@pillowinhell:

You might even say you were Fremen’d!!

RE Antimanboobz, I think it’s a new troll because the “vile hate cult” (conceived and implemented entirely in the comments, no less—just goes to show how devious Dear Leader really is) line hasn’t really been used before, except possibly by Owly. Owly is not quite as coherent, however. Diction like “womansplaining,” a novel though obvious term to use if you’re obsessed with attacking feminists, marks Varpole as a unique troll as far as I can tell. Of course, these trolls basically are all the same, so it’s not surprising that anyone would think two or more are the same person.

Sharculese
12 years ago

yeah, owlslave lacks the pretensions to intellectualism that varpole trades in. with owlslave knowledge, like all endeavors, is an application of sheer brute force.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Kind of Antz-ish in a way – he’s fond of the word “vile”.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

Our detractors assume we spend rather much more time here than we actually do. I remember one evening I was writing a paper and periodically taking a break to comment on a blog Glorious Leader linked to. Over there I was exchanging words with Johnny BB (I think), and after I went out to the three-hour class I was writing for I came back to find that he’d accused me of “spending an evening defending women’s rights” or something like that. It was funny.

Ponkz
Ponkz
12 years ago

OMG, Gregory’s Girl gets discussed when I can’t join in! Damn it! sorry I fucking love Bill Forsyth so much, Comfort And Joy is one of my most favourite films ever.

I also love this music video precisely cos it puts me in mind of a Bill Forsyth film sooo much.