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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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Pecunium
12 years ago

“Is someone still incel if they turned down someone?

Yes. Just because you aren’t willing to accept anyone who comes floating your way doesn’t mean your celibacy is suddenly voluntary.”

Not really. If one is complaining that one is abistinent because “no one will look at me twice” one can’t say that if someone has expressed an interest.

Yes, one has choice. If one chooses to not fuck someone that means one has voluntarily remained abstinent.

Then again, I don’t see a problem with that. I have been, “involuntarily” celibate by that definition; sometimes for months. It’s the way things go.

Pecunium
12 years ago

But, you know, if a woman plays it safe and doesn’t accept a drink she doesn’t see poured herself from a man she’s never met and doesn’t accept a ride home from a strange man she’s never met, it’s all “WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU MAN HATER?!?! WHAT, DO YOU THINK ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS?!?!?11!?!”

Can’t fucking win when the goalposts keep moving.

The goalposts haven’t moved a bit.

Women are wrong: that’s where they put the goalposts. They aren’t moving them at all. They are is the bait and switch they are pulling. They just don’t like that being pointed out.

Pecunium
12 years ago

Sorry, “That women could ever be right” is the bait and switch they are pulling.

blitzgal
12 years ago

re: Zombieland — there is absolutely NO reason why that couldn’t have been a movie about Emma Stone and Abigail Breslin. It was decent, and campy-fun, but the default to DOODSTORYBECAUSEGUNSANDDANGER! made me a little meh.

I had two major problems with the movie. First, I’m seriously tired of the trope in these films in which the guys get to be average but the women have to be over the top gorgeous. Of course when the world ends, the last woman on earth is going to be hot, AND she’ll be into the nerdy hero, because every man is entitled to a “10.” Average women never freakin’ exist in these movies. Even the female characters who are presented as “average” or “ugly” are never actually average or ugly (see Nick and Norah’s Infinite Playlist as just one example), when men are routinely allowed to be both and still carry the lead in the film.

And secondly, I’m expected to believe that these two young women are so clever and self-sufficient that they’re not only able to survive a zombie apocalypse but also get one over on the guys not once but TWICE, but are still so freakin’ stupid that they get themselves trapped on an amusement park ride so they have to be rescued by the same guys they tricked multiple times.

darksidecat
12 years ago

Why did I let myself get so behind before catching up on this conversation? Anime and socialism, two of my favorite things to blather on about…also zombies.

In regards to Naruto, I stopped watching the anime during filler hell, and stopped reading the manga after it had a continuous series of cheesy speeches right in a row. Yes, I know Naruto always had a bit of sappy speeches, but that shit got incessant. It even revived dead characters specifically for the purpose of cheesy speech moments.

I generally like Satoshi Kon, but I found Paranoia Agent a bit…intentionally obtuse.

katz
12 years ago

You guys should totally try eating ham and watermelon sometime (assuming you eat either of these normally). It’s a salty/sweet snack that’s great for summer.

I just had cantaloupe wrapped in prosciutto at a reception a few days ago. Very interesting combination.

cloudiah
12 years ago

I used to love melon in prosciutto back when I ate the hammies. Watermelon and feta is a good veg alternative to ham and watermelon. I thought I invented that combo but when I googled it there are tons of recipes. Mmmm, feta. How I love thee.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
12 years ago

>>>I’d never seen anyone react to the word “socialism” like it was the bogeyman until I got here.

I did see some Brits react that way to “socialism”, they just happen to all be members of the BNP or some other fascist organization, since fascism was pretty much created as a radically anti-socialist reactionary doctrine.

What I believe that says about the American political character should be plain to everyone. Not that this is a uniquely USian phenomena. Our own Quebec finance minister made a declaration that the student movement should be ignored because “it’s not about tuition, it’s about a few group’s Marxist, anticapitalist agenda”.

Well okay, so that’s why *I* am marching with the students, but why is it supposed to be damning that there are anarchists and anticapitalists and marxists in those marches?

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
12 years ago

>>>>Watermelon and feta is a good veg alternative to ham and watermelon.

Veg as in vegetarian, though not veg as in vegan. 😉

katz
12 years ago

I ate the hammies.

Ate the hammies? :O

katz
12 years ago

Admittedly piggies are awfully cute too.

cloudiah
12 years ago

To clarify, I never ate hamsters. I did used to eat these hammies. 🙂

Sharculese
12 years ago

Hell, just look the poor sap, “Chris”, who toed Boobz dogma a few posts after my own. No sense of decency

so… he’s just sitting here obsessively reading the comments just so he can make his next no comment blog post while pretending he’s totally too good to be seen around us.

varpole, since you’ve made it clear youre still sitting here frustratedly mashing f5, i just want to let you know youre a gutless stooge of the first order.

cloudiah
12 years ago

With a shout-out to Shaenon, no less!

the omnipresent regulars who have no lives because they spend all day yes-manning Master Futrelle

I am glad someone finally realizes our intense devotion to Master* Futrelle, and the toll it takes on us. I myself have spent literally MINUTES on some days firing off snarky comments and links to kitten videos. It’s amazing that I’m still capable of holding down a full-time job, getting my Master’s degree, and hanging out with my friends.

*I cower before the mighty Futrelle to ask your preferred term of respect from the lickspittles. Lord? Master? Sovereign? Exalted One?

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

I’m totally not shocked how varpole says feminists were almost certainly behind SOPA with fuckall to back that up.

It’s also cute how he clearly can’t read and see exactly what the problem with Chris was.

Flib
Flib
12 years ago

As I have said elsewhere, Varpole is hilarious. My image of him now? Playing in a couch fort, waiting for someone to come siege him.

Shadow
Shadow
12 years ago

for the misandrist NWO

Well, Owly does have a pretty shitty view of men

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

Hell, just look the poor sap, “Chris”, who toed Boobz dogma a few posts after my own. No sense of decency

I was thinking I should go over to Anti Man Boobz to ask for some dating advice. Is that a good idea, David? I ask, because as a regular here I am obviously incapable of doing anything without your instruction.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

I kid, of course, because I already know what advice varpole is likely to bestow: 1) do whatever boyfriend asks, and 2) stop being such a slutty hypergamous gold-digging bitch.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Pft, hasn’t this fool heard of multitasking? I yes-man David Futrelle while false accusing dudes of rape, spreading feminist propaganda across the globe and grinding my stiletto heels into the back of my poor sailors while whipping and starving them for the high crime of being men.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Oh, and spreading the homosexual agenda by making out with my girlfriend, simultaneously teasing all nerd dudes and converting children to homosexuality with one fell swoop.

ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

I was thinking I should go over to Anti Man Boobz to ask for some dating advice. Is that a good idea, David? I ask, because as a regular here I am obviously incapable of doing anything without your instruction.

Why don’t you start a blog about the dating troubles you’re having? That’ll show the world!

Sharculese
12 years ago

Why don’t you start a blog about the dating troubles you’re having? That’ll show the world!

viscaria’s got a lot more threatening to start a blog to do before she can actually start a blog