Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:
Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.
Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:
I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” … Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.
Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:
[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …
Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…
Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.
Sing along with me, you all know the words!
Women are better then men!
Boom boom boom!
They do everything better than them!
Boom boom boom!
Ladies are generally nicer!
Quack quack quack!
Their thoughts and feelings are higher!
Quack quack quack!
Girls and women are smarter!
Bing! Bang! Smash!
To keep up, men must try harder!
Clang! Bang! Bash!
Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.
Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.
Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:
[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!
Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.
If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.
Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!
Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:
There are four main categories of women:
1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.
2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.
3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).
4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.
Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.
They don’t care.
Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …
We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.
Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.
Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.
Accents are very regional. If you also check out Trainspotting and Rab C Nesbit you’ll find that they all have quite different accents. And you might need subtitles for Rab C Nesbit.
“The dude went on to claim that Hitler was scared of the US and that he blamed the US for the loss of germany in WWI…”
Lol, only in American history books…we do like to act like we “won the war” as wrong as that is.
And I made it through the opening sequence of Gregory’s Girl understanding maybe half of it, since I can’t make out their lips to figure the rest out, I give up!
Blamed as in he wanted Germany to win?
“Accents are very regional.” — I grew up smack between NYC and Boston, so damned do I know that one (I’m 500 miles from there now and I *love* when people guess, it’s so funny)
I’m a native Londoner and… no. Just no.
How on earth would anyone even vaguely observant get that impression?
As someone who lived in London for years I was equally baffled by that comment. Maybe he only spoke to women who were in the service industry?
Argenti – here you go: I’m pretty sure this is the original undubbed version.
Most people in the London service industry these days seem to be from Poland, so maybe that’s where he went wrong?
Yeah, I can understand about half of that, and that’s after Karen Gillan’s accent has become perfectly clear.
And service industry people are required to be polite, here anyways, I’d assume everywhere given the job title…
“Blamed as in he wanted Germany to win?” — good question — and didn’t Russia’s weather have a bigger affect than America? We can take credit for Japan’s loss, if we want to take credit for nuking a shit-ton of civilians, but Germany, not so much. (Though history books here definitely make it sound like AMERICA WON THE WAR!!!! I’m not quite sure wtf Churchill was doing by their authors…or Stalin, much as I don’t want to praise him)
That’s probably it actually, we got so obsessed with “the communist threat” we still can’t manage universal healthcare — and wrote Stalin’s role in defeating Hitler out of history basically >.<
It really is odd how thoroughly Russia’s role in the war is ignored by some people.
No, no, that’s the thing. He claimed Hitler blamed the loss of WWI on the USA. Which, well, he considered the USA a country of mongrels who couldn’t build anything but ice boxes and radios. He wasn’t about to attribute the loss of the pure german people to us! It felt like he had just read a particularly ‘patriotic’ textbook back in his youth that outright lied about people’s intentions XD
It’s not odd. The US wants to pretend that it won the war, and nobody is willing to gainsay the USA just for the sake of communists. XD
I should say, “that it won the war single handedly with both arms tied behind its back”, since that’s more like how Meriken treat it XD
Lol, I feel dumb now, I’m reading Cliff’s latest cosmocking, and the comments, and just got to her reply to one:
“because if he were gay, well, maybe that means that he wouldn’t be happy in a relationship with a woman (and then again maybe he would, sexuality can be funny like that)”
Ianto! He’s not gay, it’s just Jack. How did I ever forget Ianto!? (And sorry to steal your quote out of context Cliff, but I’m guessing you’d prefer not to have your cosmocking derailed by fandom)
Back “on topic” — I’m thinking the erasure of Russia’s role in WWII is because of the Cold War — they became The Enemy right after and stayed that way until fairly recently. And in America anyways, the “commie threat” fear is still so prevalent we’d apparently rather see the poor die of treatable conditions than risk “going commie”. Is “you fucking commie” even still an insult in the UK? Was it ever?
“It’s not odd. The US wants to pretend that it won the war, and nobody is willing to gainsay the USA just for the sake of communists. XD” — well, I am, but I get called a “fucking commie” for it. Apparently aiming for historical accuracy means I agree with Stalin or something >.<
Indeed. Of course, the US contribution certainly shouldn’t be downplayed, but the war in Europe was pretty much lost for Germany from the moment that Hitler decided to tear up his non-aggression pact with Stalin and invade the Soviet Union. Which happened several months before the US entered the war.
Although obviously that simplifies matters considerably, and ignores the war in the Pacific, in which the US clearly did play a massive and decisive part.
Which by definition means you hate mom, apple pie, and Merika. Yeah, it’s pretty bullshit how we treat socialism and communism and pretend capitalism is some sort of perfect system. Feeding the hungry <<<< protecting the 'invisible hand'.
Handily, I’m neither a Merkin nor a Commie.
Though in Britain we get plenty of people either downplaying or being entirely ignorant of the colossal contribution made by Poles to the British war effort – which led to a hilarious slip-up by the racist British National Party that inadvertently gave the Polish RAF pilots and their achievements more publicity than they’d had in decades.
“ignores the war in the Pacific, in which the US clearly did play a massive and decisive part” — yeah I’m okay with not acting like nuking 150,000-200,000+ people was a good thing. It might have been decisive, but we get no praise for it. (And that’s the death toll by Dec 1945, no accounting for all the cancer deaths since)
I’d argue that the US is also responsible for the deaths by starvation, which were many.
I was actually talking about the war in the Pacific in general, not the atomic bombs in 1945.
“I mean how would the Polish people feel if their government started letting in millions of Vietnamese and letting them work for three bowls of rice a day.”
*head desk* So Much Racism
Wetherby — being American and rather socialist makes for FUN TIMES! Apparently thinking human rights should be enforced even at the cost of capitalism makes me the devil or something…but I can’t wrap my head around why cutting what little safety net we have is “better” than taxing the rich more…
Cassandra — agreed, my note that that was just the initial death toll was rather imprecise about all the other causes of death.
Wetherby — that we can take credit for without praising mass murder, and both my grandfathers would be right pissed if I acted like they just sat on their butts all day (though um, that is what both of them did, when not peeling potatoes…)
You won’t be too surprised to hear that the typical British reaction to the furore caused by Obama’s healthcare plan is bemusement – it looks pretty modest from where we’re sitting. But I suppose quite a few Americans still genuinely believe that we have “socialist death panels”, despite Sarah Palin’s claim being nominated as the biggest lie told by a US politician that year.
It really is odd for a Brit (and most other people who grew up outside the US) to observe the fear with which some Americans respond to the idea of socialism. Or not even full socialism really, just the nationalisation of some specific industries. There are certainly people in the UK who don’t like communism, or even socialism, but I’d never seen anyone react to the word “socialism” like it was the bogeyman until I got here.