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No, women aren’t better than men. But the guys at A Voice for Men are doing their best to make it seem that way.

Putting women on pedestals: Not good feminism.

Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:

Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.

Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:

I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” …  Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.

Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:

[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …

Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…

Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.

Sing along with me, you all know the words!

Women are better then men!

Boom boom boom!

They do everything better than them!

Boom boom boom!

 

Ladies are generally nicer!

Quack quack quack!

Their thoughts and feelings are higher!

Quack quack quack!

 

Girls and women are smarter!

Bing! Bang! Smash!

To keep up, men must try harder!

Clang! Bang! Bash!

 

Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.

Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.

Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:

[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!

Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.

If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.

Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!

Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:

There are four main categories of women:

1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.

2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.

3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).

4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.

Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.

They don’t care.

Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …

We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.

Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.

Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.

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Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Given the only Welsh stereotype I know involves sex with sheep, I’d hope any stereotype would fit better! I don’t know what stereotypes you mean, but they can’t be worse than getting told you must be related to sheep…

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Someone on another blog just told me that “you punch hard, verbally”. That definitely fits the stereotypes about Scots. We’re a bolshy lot.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Ahh, ok. In your case that’s a compliment though I’d think, knocking the trolls down a few pegs is a good thing!

“I wish a better director and production team had gotten a hold of the Deadgirl concept. So much potential for something subversive completely wasted.” — seconded, definitely seconded…and that too was doing well for awhile, with the non-rape-y friend being Seriously Upset by things. And then it fell apart magnificently. Without the Lost Boys almost so bad it’s good again. (Plan 9 may be so bad it’s cycled back into good…)

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

I’ve recommended Torchwood to people who find the doctor’s pacifism annoying.

I stopped watching Torchwood because I didn’t like the total lack of pacifism. I mean, I don’t mind it in most movies and tv shows, but that’s both too much and not enough Dr Who for my taste. In a semi-related topic, I spend most episode hoping for the doctor’s death so that he’ll be replaced by someone else*. I’m a bad person.

*please, I beg you don’t make him any younger. At the current rate he’ll soon be a teenager.

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

Cassandra — considering Doctor Who, and particularly Torchwood, make Welsh jokes aplenty, is assuming you’re Welsh really any better?

Just a quick note in case anyone’s unaware: technically, Doctor Who is a Welsh TV production – it’s made by BBC Wales, it’s largely shot in and around the Welsh capital Cardiff, and Russell T Davies, the man most responsible for rebooting it, is also Welsh (as his surname rather gives away). So I suspect the Welsh jokes come pretty naturally to the production team – and of course they’re automatically given a free pass when it comes to making them.

Anna
Anna
12 years ago

Someone on another blog just told me that “you punch hard, verbally”. That definitely fits the stereotypes about Scots. We’re a bolshy lot.

That reminds me of a joke from I-can’t-remember-where, that the reason Scotland wasn’t too heavily bombed during WWII was because everyone painted themselves blue, got up on the rooftops and started yelling at the planes to scare them off.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Kyrie — I’m hoping “silence will fall” means we get a 12th too actually. And yeah, preferably one remotely old enough to play a thousand year old character who’s….seen what the doctor has (spoilers and all to explain ^.^ )

Also, as much as I love Captain Jack, his readiness to shoot first really is rather annoying sometimes. And then there’s the blowfish… (Jack’s shooting first, and well, saves an innocent bystander, and the rest of the team had no idea he was back, it’s the first Torchwood episode after the year that never was) — my desire to reach through the screen and slap Owen when he pinned Gwen and all *that* kind of trumped my annoyance at the utter lack of pacifism.

Though…11s lack of “the man who never would”-ness is really getting on my nerves. (10 was so my doctor, I miss 10)

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

That reminds me of a joke from I-can’t-remember-where, that the reason Scotland wasn’t too heavily bombed during WWII was because everyone painted themselves blue, got up on the rooftops and started yelling at the planes to scare them off.

And according to Billy Connolly the reason Glasgow has never been the target of a nuclear strike is that no-one would notice the difference afterwards.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Wetherby — I knew it was filmed in Cardiff, silly American me didn’t realize Davies is Welsh though. Which is why he shouldn’t get a free pass >.<

Anna — hey, it worked with the Romans, who even the doctor calls the greatest army of all time, and he's seen a lot of armies.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

An English classmate in high school once described it as “Scotland, where even the children are terrifying”. She wasn’t entirely wrong.

Anna
Anna
12 years ago

Eh… well I’m from the northeast of England (wey aye pet) where those kind of stereotypes aren’t entirely off base either

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

I just read the end of Miracle Day, and I think I need to go watch the last 2 hours…so much pseudo-physics! The pseudo-science is definitely a good bit of why I love the whovian universe.

Cassandra — children everywhere are terrifying I think, at least in large numbers anyways. I’ve been successfully dogpiled by a group of American children all under 5 years, really, it’s the numbers thing.

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

A French friend of mine signed up to work at a summer camp in Dumfries in order to improve her English. She’d never heard a Scottish accent consciously before, so I showed her Gregory’s Girl (the original version, not the one with the supposedly more US-friendly dub featuring milder accents) and she looked petrified: she barely understood a word of it!

Mind you, Gregory’s Girl is pretty heavy going on the accent front – it was made as a tiny independent production that was never expected to get any screenings south of the border, so they didn’t worry about catering for non-Scots. Compare and contrast with Pixar’s upcoming The Brave, which features a Scottish cast speaking in authentic accents, but they went over the recordings syllable by syllable to make sure they were perfectly clear to everyone else.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Yeah, I’m not sure where to draw the line, but there’s a certain point somewhere in the north of England above which people get a bit…direct. Which I love, but I can see why it’s rather startling to Americans with a somewhat less than realistic idea of what British people are like.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Actually to bring things back around again, the main character in The Brave has the exact hair texture that we were talking about earlier. It really is very common in the North.

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

Indeed – and there are quite a few white people with dreadlocks in London.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Coincidentally, there’s someone on another site who I saw earlier saying that he finds women in London to be very submissive. I am rather curious about how great a quantity of recreational chemicals it would take to produce that impression.

Anna
Anna
12 years ago

I was thinking of Rebekah Brooks actually – I know she’s evil henchwoman of the Murdoch empire, but holy shit is her hair not amazing?

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Wait, which main character? I just googled it and am coming up with Johnny Depp and Marlon Brando. Am I even looking at the right movie here? I can’t be…what year do I need?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

@ Argenti – It’s a Pixar movie. Look for images of an animated girl with lots of curly red hair.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“Coincidentally, there’s someone on another site who I saw earlier saying that he finds women in London to be very submissive. I am rather curious about how great a quantity of recreational chemicals it would take to produce that impression.”

Either that or he got polite confused with submissive. Most women are polite with strangers, experience tends to prove it a safer option unfortunately.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Apropos nothing except this conversation I just had in my MMO, I just had someone argue about nature, men, women, standard faire. I pointed out that pop-history does not really depict reality. He launches into a tirade about how history can be rewritten and if it’s pre-history we ‘can’t really know what happened’. When he finally wound down (I pointed out ways we do in fact know these things, etc.), I finally just said “It’s really adorable that you can tell that narratives about history can be manipulated to say what people want, and maintain your beliefs not only in the absence of evidence supporting them, but that you manage to somehow think that nobody has a vested interest in pretending men did everything difficult and that women’s work wasn’t important.”

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

And to bring it around to the searching for foreign wives subject again…Japanese women are also very polite, on average. If some guy thinks that this also means they’ll be very submissive I feel rather sorry for him*, especially when he meets his mother in law.

* Not really

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

The dude went on to claim that Hitler was scared of the US and that he blamed the US for the loss of germany in WWI, so you know, not exactly good at history, but… XD

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Found it! And lol, my best friend has an ex with hair like that, I think I just want to forget she exists (she had this habit of being completely and utterly intolerable back stage during The Taming of the Shrew, ironically, she was playing the shrew) — she’s the only one I’ve seen it on though. Even my father’s red hair is much much straighter than that.

I’m going to need to find a clip of Gregory’s Girl now, I don’t think I’ve really heard a Scottish accent either, the only Scottish person I’ve known was mostly deaf and didn’t really have any localized accent. I suspect this will require my lip reading skills, given most British accents do.

How “tamed” is Amy’s Scottish accent then? Quite a bit? (Amy from doctor who that is)

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