Roger Ebert recently wrote a well-intentioned but misguided faux-feminist blog post setting forth the thesis that “Women are better than men.” Here’s the gist of it, from his opening paragraph:
Women are nicer than men. There are exceptions. Most people of both sexes are probably fairly nice, given the nature of their upbringing and opportunities. But in terms of their lifelong natures, women are kinder, more empathetic, more generous. And the sooner more of them take positions of power, the better our chances as a species.
Here’s how to respond appropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of Jill at Feministe:
I love me some Roger Ebert, but this is a big piece of crap. His point basically comes down to, “Women are nurturing and wonderful and non-violent, men are competitive and want to see boobs, because Evolution.” … Most people are capable of great kindness; most people are capable of being total assholes. The degree to which any of us displays any of these traits depends largely on circumstance and partly on individual personality and temperament. Those things are certainly influenced by gender, but our gender does not in fact hard-wire us to be nice or awful.
Here’s how to respond inappropriately to this sort of argument, courtesy of John the Other at A Voice for Men:
[Y]es, it’s another one of those articles. Men are bad, women are good, men are worse, women are better, men are the worst thing ever, and women are just the best, squee!!! …
Ebert, in his attempt to ingratiate himself to a mostly female audience has done what countless other approval seeking men have done. Simply, to metaphorically prostrate himself – declaring – look, I’m a good man, not like those other bad men, you see how I heap scorn on them and flatter you? Approve of me!…
Ebert’s male-abasing and false esteem is a tired and monotonous repetition of standard gender ideology.
Sing along with me, you all know the words!
Women are better then men!
Boom boom boom!
They do everything better than them!
Boom boom boom!
Ladies are generally nicer!
Quack quack quack!
Their thoughts and feelings are higher!
Quack quack quack!
Girls and women are smarter!
Bing! Bang! Smash!
To keep up, men must try harder!
Clang! Bang! Bash!
Well, there’s a thoughtful argument.
Naturally, the commenters at AVfM are happy to join in the fun.
Shrek6 trots out the old “we hunted the mammoth” argument:
[E]verything on this earth from the knickers these women wear on their fat buts, all the way through to just about every single thing they touch in their day, up to and including homes, buildings, cars, trains, rockets, and the food they stuff down their throats, has all been either invented or produced by those useless ‘less than’ human, men. What a waste of space those men are!
Yep, I can feel a man strike coming on.
If all the men and boys in this world pulled the pin and sat on their buts for a month, the world would come to a grinding halt and anarchy would reign. All the women would be seen crying, screeching at men with gnashing teeth. Then they would eventually come begging.
Yep, that day is coming to these over indulged women. That day is coming!
Andybob, meanwhile, offers this analysis of what he sees as the gender enemy:
There are four main categories of women:
1) Women who care about the men in their lives, but never make the connection that their naked misandry contributes to the misery of these men. Most of those women who whooped and cackled when RegisterHer lifer, Sharon Osborne, expressed delight when an innocent man was genitally mutilated belong in this category. They would not have cackled quite so much if someone had brutalised their sons. Other women’s sons? No problem. It has ever been thus: white feather campaign in WWI.
2) Women who may pay lip service to caring about the men in their lives, but in reality, see them in the same way they see all other men – as utility objects to be manipulated and exploited. Such women don’t think of the men in their lives at all, except when they want something from them.
3) Feminists. These range from the mild (man-hating bigots), to the radical (man-hating bigots who advocate genocide and eugenics).
4) Women MRAs. These are rare women (I’ve never seen one, even in captivity), who regard men as actual people with collective and innate value. I can count them on two hands with fingers to spare.
Men have been struggling for many decades now with nary a peep from women. There is a reason for this.
They don’t care.
Feminism has provided today’s pampered princesses with the privilege-stuffed, consequence-free Nirvana that they believe they’re entitled to. Do you really think they can be swayed with reason and logic? Have you ever tried to discuss men’s rights with women? They will show concern for some imaginary, hypothetical female from some Third World country before they give two shits about the son, brother or friend standing in front of them. …
We are in a battle against a powerful, well-financed and establishment-supported entity which has succeeded in stealing our rights in every sphere. This has been done with the silent collusion of vast numbers of women. As such, a few “derogatory remarks” are the least they deserve.
Guys, I hate to have to tell you this, but you’re sort of making it look like Ebert might have a point.
Happily, I know that you all are statistical outliers, and that your raving misogyny (while it may reflect views common amongst AVFM readers, as evidenced by the upvotes those comments got) doesn’t reflect the views of most men. Heck, even some Men’s Rights Redditors are getting sick of your bullshit.
TMI chris.
TMI.
You guys, I really, really want to date Keanu Reeves, and yet he remains stubbornly unaware of my existence. I suppose that I could look around for someone else to date, or go visit a sex worker if I’m horny, or actively try to come up with a plan to meet him, but instead I’ve decided to come here and complain about my Keanu-deprived life and how much it pains me. Why won’t you all stop whatever else you’re doing and find a way to hook me up?
Of course you can’t get a hold of him, he’s hiding from Denzel Washington and Kenneth Branaugh.
/Nerd
DEFINITELY!
@Cassandra, good luck with that, he had to be told about the Sad Keanu meme (and was then amused iirc)
I still remember Emma Thompson’s awards ceremony acceptance speech where she thanked Branaugh, etc, and finished up with “and thanks to Keanu Reeves for letting me see him naked”. A woman after my own heart, that one.
“You guys, I really, really want to date Keanu Reeves, and yet he remains stubbornly unaware of my existence.”
My problem isn’t that i’m picky. So my situation would be unable to get sex without paying for it. What exactly would you call that then if you don’t like the word incel?
Chris, the point we’re all trying to make is that we don’t care about your situation, and this blog does not exist to help you solve it. Your expecting us to is as ridiculous as my expecting the commentariat to hook me up with Keanu.
I think I just figured out my issue with “incel” versus involuntary celibacy — once you shorten it it becomes a label, almost a life style if you will. So then, what happens when/if you do have sex? Do you have to turn in your incel card? And your forum friendships?
Look, dude, if you’re trying to get laid and you can’t get laid, it’s not because the world is being mean to you. Take up a hobby, find a networking group, make new friends, what have you. You meet potential partners from the same places you find friends.
But Cassandra, if I could I would, you haven’t made it all about you!
Chris — We’d call you celibate, or a virgin, use a dictionary. Or, at this rate, a huge jerkwad who doesn’t know when to go away.
Durn, I tried to register with Love-Shy under the username needboerboel and they wouldn’t let me! This is what I said under my reason for joining: I am looking for a boerboel also I am love-shy. Where is my boerboel? I need information about boerboels I thought this would be a good place to find it.
Obviously they are a bunch of mean horrible people. Why wouldn’t they answer my questions about boerboels? This is an outrage. I might have to go to yahoo answers or even start my own blog!
So how many sex options are you allowed to reject before it’s no longer involuntary? Can’t get sex except from prostitutes? Can’t get sex except from prostitutes and “ugly chicks?” Can’t get sex without asking someone if she wants to have sex?
@ Argenti – Yeah, I suppose for the analogy to really work I’d need to add an extended whine about how Keanu is personally responsible for my unhappiness, and why oh why don’t movie stars go out of their way to seek out and date random women on the internet?
@chris, You have really worn out whatever welcome you had here. Please find other hobbies, get therapy, etc. and stop posting.
Move to a place that has roads, Chris. Who knows. Maybe you’ll meet someone nice.
Lonely. That wasn’t hard.
Yes, exactly. If you define yourself by your loneliness it only increases the odds of you staying that way. Seriously Chris, all you’re accomplishing by adopting this label is perpetually putting yourself down.
No, incels specifically say that no one is to blame for your chronic condition of un-Keanu-sexedness.
@Cassandra — and do so in nearly all your comments… (or is it just all his comments? I am unfamiliar with Chris’s posting history)
Also, I would have to show up on random blogs about the movie business and expect the people there to hook me up, because if a movie person is responsible for my plight then other movie people ought to want to fix it for me, right?
All your stupid are belong to us!!
@Argenti
Well, every once in a while, just to break up the monotony, he decides to ask us if we’d be bothered about women making the MRA comment du jour about men.
Another person who suffers from un-Keanu-sexedness:
Then not having sex* is voluntary for you, isn’t it?
If you don’t want to be taken as an asshole, you could stop behaving like one.
Thread summary!
Page 1 — on topic
Page 2 — on topic-ish // no more off topic than usual
Page 3 — mostly polite All About Chris
Page 4 — first half All About Chris, second half discussing Chris topics
Page 5 — first half ALL ABOUT CHRIS, second half, you are here (well, unless this ends up on page 6, which, FFS, can it please not be ALL ABOUT CHRIS?)
Un-Keanu-sexedness is the greatest social justice issue of our time. Truefax.
(RE the clip – poor thing, he looks so uncomfortable. And this, folks, is why we don’t try to guilt trip people into hooking up with us.)