The SPLC responds to MRAs critical of its report on the Men’s Rights movement [UPDATED w/ NEW LINKS]

tiny kitten!
http://youtu.be/7VSR4_tAYvw

Now I want a scottish fold kitten.

It’s no scottish fold, but still cute:

Bugbrennan is the equivalent of that one bully in school who says lots of disparaging things and then goes, “Well, at least I’m right.”

Seriously, that’s all I read from her. Some activism.

And I concur on the Kitty vids.

I wish my cats would allow themselves to be vacuumed. I swear, they give off more fur in one day than they ought to have on their entire bodies…

I’m reading Elam’s open letter to the SPLC and this is just…impressively stupid. I’m not sure I’ve ever read anything that was both this well written and this wrong.

A “white knight” is an expression describing a traditional male, one who practices chivalry to a degree that is irrational and demeaning in this day and age. Also, the term “mangina” is not a euphemism for “weak men,” but rather a label for men who enable and excuse female misconduct – ranging from physical violence to exculpatory false reporting of crimes[10] – solely because the offender is female (and to gain women’s approval).

Um, that’s not how MRAs use those words, but ok? It’s really hilarious to think of MRAs bashing “traditional male[s]” considering how many seem to be all “women shouldn’t work, women should make babies when their men want, and get me a sandwich bitch” >.< Hi guys, you *are* "traditional male[s]"

Oh gods, and that citition leads to — "In a follow-up study of rape claims filed over a three-year period at two large Midwestern universities, Kanin found that of 64 rape cases, 50% turned out to be false.4 Among the false charges, 53% of the women admitted they filed the false claim as an alibi.5"
Kanin EJ. An alarming national trend: False rape allegations. Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994 http://www.sexcriminals.com/library/doc-1002-1.pdf (page 2 and the addenda respectively)

N=2 =/= valid stats!! I really want to give the entire MRM a crash course in introductory statistics.

I heard that 436% of rape accusations made by women are false charges. All women make false rape accusations more than once, that is why the percentage is so high.

#mrmsucksatstatistics

I’m really irritated that they keep bringing up eugenics as a feminist idea when there was just a goddamn post about breeding white women out of existence like yesterday? Two days ago?

@Deon, to crunch some numbers for you, 54% of rapes aren’t reported at all, so even if I’m generous and assume the 6% of false claims means of reports, and not of arrests (which, mind you, makes little sense in the context of “it ruins people’s lives”) — 6% of 46% is 2.76% — the percent of rapists convinced and actually sentenced to jail time that they actually serve? 3%

Can you now see why feminists treat false reports as a non-issue? There are less false reports than there are actually rapists serving time.

Should I be less generous and use the percent of reports that lead to arrest, which is more logical, we need to find 6% of a mere 12%, are you sitting down? Good, it’s 0.72% — less than 1%. So for every 100 rapes, maybe 1 false report is made that leads to an arrest, and if there’s no arrest, no one’s life is ruined.

Better questions — why are more than half of all rapes not even reported? Where you drinking? What were you wearing? Did you have sexual relations with him before? What do you do to lead him on? — these sort of questions are why people don’t report (and that’s assuming the victim is a woman, you can add straight up disbelief if the victim is a man, disbelief which the MRAs only seem to encourage with their assbackwards definitions of rape)

Dean Gillian: What’s not up for debate is the fact that false rape accusations are real and bad. How can anyone honestly claim otherwise?

We don’t.

What, however, the FRS and other people whom we are decrying do is pretend that False Accusation of Rape is common, and devastating to the accused.

They also do things such as pretend that all false convictions are the result of false accusation. That is dishonest, and discounts the real rapes which took place (some of the cases they tout as “false” also involved the murder of the person who was raped. That’s insult to injury. It might even be the rare case of, “libel of the dead”, which is a pretty vile thing, on top of the erasing of the rape).

Rape is falsely accused no more often than any other crime. Rape is less often prosecuted than any other crime; esp. when you compare it to other crimes in which the victim can identify the accuser.

It’s got a lower conviction rate than any other crime, esp. when you compare it to other crimes with videographic evidence of the events.

So no, the FRS does more than link to news stories about false rape accusations and advocate for due process and the presumption of innocence in rape cases. They campaign to make the onus of proof fall on the victim, not the state. They want to make the burden of proof not, “beyond a reasonable doubt,” but beyond all doubt. They deny that a raped person has the right to determine that they were raped.

The FRS has had people advocate for, “accuser jeopardy” where bringing a charge (or, for some, filing a complaint) means that, if the accused is convicted, the accuser goes to prison.

That’s more than just advocating for due process. That’s advocating for rape.

@Pecunium

I don’t necessarily dispute your appraisal of the FRS, but you’ve stated several things in your post that are either wrong or confusing to me.

Rape is falsely accused no more often than any other crime.

This simply isn’t true. Rape sits alongside crimes like auto-theft and arson as being one of the most falsely reported crimes. The average felony has an estimated false accusation rate of about 2%. Rape is estimated to be falsely reported at a rate of between 6-10% (though it should be noted that a significant portion of those don’t involve naming a specific perpetrator).

Rape is less often prosecuted than any other crime

Again, this isn’t true. Rape is prosecuted less often than murder, but crimes like burglary result is far fewer charges than rape.

It’s got a lower conviction rate than any other crime

This is your most egregious falsehood. Rape charges actually result in conviction far more often than most other serious crimes. Rape has nearly double the conviction rate of murder (67% of tried rape cases vs 38% of tried murder cases).

Where are you getting this information? 5 minutes worth of research would show that it simply isn’t accurate.

They campaign to make the onus of proof fall on the victim, not the state…They deny that a raped person has the right to determine that they were raped.

I don’t know what these statements are supposed to mean. If they really think that a rape accuser should be incarcerated should the case fail to reach a conviction, that’s deplorable. Proven false accusers should absolutely be prosecuted, but only if it can be proven that they deliberately lied in making the report. Proven by the same standard under which accused rapists are tried, beyond a reasonable doubt. Other than that, I really don’t understand what you’re getting at with your complaints.

See, I’m just laughing at his attempts at posing as someone who is well read (in social science) by using key words and quoting Weber. He has the ridiculousness of calling everyone else a “pseudo-intellectual” when he himself is the very definition of it (Urban Dictionary #1 for the 4 easy steps). The projection is just funny.

Oh, and I just checked back on his sad little blog. Now it seems SOPA was being pushed by feminists (again, no evidence) and they are some sort of anonymous cabal. Why would feminists push it (even though most feminist spaces I’ve been to has been against it)? CLEARLY because the internet is the only “holding” of the brave MRA resistance movement. It must have nothing to do with ISP’s wanting a larger share of content, not at all, it’s FEMINISM! that wants to control all exposure anyone would get about men, because misandry.

Methodology? What stinking methodology? It’s name some names and presumption that everything he says is gold plated truth. This guy is a lot more hilariously paranoid then I first thought. He’s been expecting people to assail his castle walls it seems, but he has nary a comment, even from other fellow MRA’s. I think that is pretty funny too.

one time mr destructo posted a criticism of frs’s defense of josh lueke. how did Pierce Harlan: Reasonable, Moderate Rape Apologist respond:

No, you would have to learn to write in the English language before I could discern if you were anathema to me, sir. Your incomprehensible, puerile blather is laughable.

In any event, on behalf of the men and women wrongly accused of heinous crimes — from the hanging trees of the Old South to the stories we’ve covered just today — thank you for what appears to be your vile and hateful sentiments. You would do well to read this http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/lamb-to-slaughter-hofstra-false-rape.html — our most important entry — but I am certain you will find what happened to these young men quite acceptable. You and the smiling lynch mob in Duluth and a thousand other places.

yeah, he’s totally just trying to start a debate about rape prosecutions.