Arthur Goldwag, the author of the SPLC’s recent report on hatred in the Men’s Rights movement, has now responded to some of the hysteria his article provoked amongst MRAs. As Goldwag notes, contrary to what most MRAs seemed to conclude from the report,
the SPLC did not label MRAs as members of a hate movement; nor did our article claim that the grievances they air on their websites – false rape accusations, ruinous divorce settlements and the like – are all without merit. But we didcall out specific examples of misogyny and the threat, overt or implicit, of violence.
Thomas James Ball, for example, who was hailed as a martyr on so many men’s rights forums, called for arson attacks on courthouses and police stations. The Norwegian mass killer Anders Breivik wrote extensively about the evils of feminism. We included as much as we did about Register-Her.com because it is so intimidating to its targets, not all of whom are criminals. When Elam accused Vliet Tiptree, a pseudonymous contributor to RadFem Hub, of “calling for extermination of half the human race; the male half, that is,” he offered a cash reward for her real identity. The names and locations of several candidates were publically aired.
Goldwag also takes a look at some of the radical feminists that have become boogeywomen for so many MRAs, and deals with other MRA complaints.
If you’re a regular reader of Man Boobz you’ll want to read the whole thing.
The Men’s Rights subreddit has already linked to Goldwag’s article, which has provoked not only the predictable SPLC-bashing but also some criticism of A Voice for Men and Paul Elam.
Obviously Elam and other MRAs will respond to Goldwag’s latest as well. Post links in the comments below as you find them, and I’ll add them to this post.
EDITED TO ADD: And, right on schedule, AVfM responds to Goldwag’s response. It’s a John the Other post, so be prepared to read a lot of words saying not very much.
On his own blog, Goldwag responds to Mr. The Other.
Goldwag’s piece also got some criticism from the STFUfauxminists Tumblr blog for quoting a RadFem known for her transphobia.
I’ll add more links as I find them.
ETA 2: MORE LINKS
@cloudiah
I stand here on humbled knee, and beg your gracious forgiveness :o3
Also, when I read your post, I automatically thought of
(unfortunately I couldn’t find the English clip, I feel like they bitchered Funzo’s voice here)
@Sharculese
I reckon they find him reasonable the same way all other bigotry is reasonable to bigots.
It’s in women’s nature to be lying bitches, so how can it be irrational to hate them?/sarcasm
They increase the entropy of the universe and bring us closer to the point where no thermodynamic free energy is left anymore.
Vindicare: How is hatred of half the population irrational?
When you accuse feminists of it you seem to think it irrational.
So it’s one rule for thee, another for me.
And yet you expect us to take you seriously, as if you were an honest actor.
Not really. I mean, so do baby boys. And baby cows. And, um, stars.
Really stars are a much bigger problem here. Go hate stars.
Troll better.
Yes, but so does your blather.
“How is hatred of half the population irrational?” — To the dictionary!
irrational, adjective
1. without the faculty of reason; deprived of reason.
2. without or deprived of normal mental clarity or sound judgment.
3. not in accordance with reason; utterly illogical: irrational arguments.
4. not endowed with the faculty of reason: irrational animals.
reason, noun
1. a basis or cause, as for some belief, action, fact, event, etc.: the reason for declaring war.
2. a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action.
3. the mental powers concerned with forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences.
4. sound judgment; good sense.
5. normal or sound powers of mind; sanity.
hatred, noun
the feeling of one who hates; intense dislike or extreme aversion or hostility.
bigotry, noun
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.
2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.
Getting it yet Vindicare?
guys i think we may be arguing against an anthropomorphized bong-hit here.
i mean, ither that or he’s faking it, but either way dude definitely thinks he’s more clever than he actually is.
I wish they had responded as to why they branded FRS a hate site over this article:
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2012/01/off-topic-it-takes-woman-to-get-things.html
Pretty amusing for them to think that article was misogynistic in any way shape or form.
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2012/03/organization-branded-frs-hate-site-and.html
rational misogyny is not a oxymoron!!!!!!1
isn’t there a playskool bubble pipe somewhere you should be vigorously puffing on?
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The in mala fide dude is bogarting it.
He’s faking being stupid, but he’s also actually stupid, so it gets confusing.
Shadow, all is forgiven. I am not a very good grudge-holder.
“They increase the entropy of the universe and bring us closer to the point where no thermodynamic free energy is left anymore.” — oh goodness, well, that at least got a good laugh out of me!
Look, I realize this is a terribly difficult concept for many people, but the planet earth is a tiny little speck in a great big universe…we have basically no effect on the rest of it.
bogarting is *incredibly* rude, does mala fide dude know this?
“guys i think we may be arguing against an anthropomorphized bong-hit here.” — I’ve met more intelligent bong hits, like the one that caused some friends to name the bong Oedipus, because it was “one bad motherfucker” — a terrible pun, sure, but still much more intelligent than this.
He’s definitely fucking up the rotation.
I’m the editor of the chemistry section of the Book of Learnin’, I think I know that a bit better than you.
I was wondering if and when the collective whining and temper tantrum throwing by these shitwits would prompt the SPLC to respond to them. I was hoping the SPLC wouldn’t humor their demands for attention, but never underestimate the power of mantoddlers in large groups.
I haven’t noticed Elam losing credibility. AVfM is paraded around as a moderate, non-misogynistic source for men’s issues. A total fucking joke by the way. Anyone offering bounties for personal information on a perceived “enemy” is not a moderate.
It really makes me happy that the reports from SPLC have upset them. Watching them first scramble to kiss up to the SPLC and say “No no, we’re actually just like you! We’re fighting bigotry in the guise of misandry! We’re practically MLK jr. and Ghandi!” and when that didn’t work, attacked the SPLC. Abusers lobby spot on!
“I’m the editor of the chemistry section of the Book of Learnin’, I think I know that a bit better than you.”
1) you do realize the Book of Learnin’ is like, the opposite of learning?
2) then how the *fuck* are you blaming the birth of baby girls in particular for entropy
3) thermodynamics is physics, not chemistry, sure, chemistry uses the principles, but entropy isn’t chemistry
3b) thank you for that, I know a pharmacy student who will get a real kick out of being told ze knows all about thermodynamics from studying chemistry
Antz has chimed in:
Anthony Zarat said,
on May 16th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Do you really think that 100 years from now fathers will still have no rights in family court? Male homeless will be denied shelter? Boys will be drugged in school for the “crime” of being born male?
The MRM will prevail. And we will never forget the SPLC. You chose the wrong side of history. You chose the side of oppression, sexism, and discrimination. You chose the side without mercy, without compassion, without humanity. You impeached your character, your identity, and your mission. You have become nothing more than greedy lawyers who bilk gullible fools out of money.
So which returning troll is this one again?
Also, because I was reminded of it by my playlist, does the misogynist troll realize that entropy is fought every day by the suffering of little girls? They’re fighting for him, too, you know.
／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼
I didn’t know the SPLC prescribed Ritalin.
(Also Ritalin is a stimulant and actually helps a lot of people who voluntarily take it because they like being able to think clearly… argh bargh unrelated angrything.)
@cloudiah
WOOHOO! Reconciliation time
Rutee: Vindicare is of the opinion that tangiential one-liners are 1: Effective riposte, and 2: funny.
He is amused by them, so there isn’t really anything to be done (save shunning).
Is that AntZ post directed at the SPLC? I’m picturing a bunch of laywers laughing at —
“Do you really think that 100 years from now fathers will still have no rights in family court? Male homeless will be denied shelter? Boys will be drugged in school for the “crime” of being born male?”
Going “but that doesn’t happen now!”