I have no words:
Is Mr. Sookdeo trolling here? Over on Bronysay, where I found this, someone claiming to know him says he was serious, just a bit “confused.” The questions seem sincere to me. Ugh.
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We Hunted The MammothI have no words:
Is Mr. Sookdeo trolling here? Over on Bronysay, where I found this, someone claiming to know him says he was serious, just a bit “confused.” The questions seem sincere to me. Ugh.
“And, if he does understand and is “just trolling”, then is that… better?” only if he defriended everyone who agreed with his “point”…and even then, no, not really, not without ending his “performance art” with an explanation that everyone who agreed supports rape.
“I had a high school economy class where one period, I shit you not, some kid asked the teacher why diabetics don’t just make their own insulin.” — someone asked your economics teacher that? How is that relevant….or were you discussing tautologies?
Well . . . but . . . . I mean . . . huh.
Let’s see.
Well . . . . he does seem confused, so he’s got that going for him.
I’m pretty sure this dude is operating at the “sex is something a man does to women” level and so of course he is confused! Rape is also just sex that you (the man) do to women, so why would a woman make a fuss about it??? No diff!!!
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“I had a high school economy class where one period, I shit you not, some kid asked the teacher why diabetics don’t just make their own insulin.” — someone asked your economics teacher that? How is that relevant….or were you discussing tautologies?
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That’s how I read it. The brony asks why women don’t enjoy an act which, by definition, people do not enjoy (if you like it, if you welcome it, it ain’t rape, yes?)
The kid in the Econ class asks why a set of people defined by their inability to regulate insulin production don’t simply regulate their insulin production.
Perhaps a better analogy would be a kid who asked why the Klan didn’t work for racial harmony in the 20th century (“Why didn’t the members of a group defined by a common goal use their group’s influence to achieve the opposite of what they wanted?”) since that would touch on the ideas of willingness and desire. But then, that probably didn’t happen, and the insulin question presumably did.
I’m not sure whether reading it in Fluttershy’s voice makes it suddenly funny in an absurdist way, or even worse.
[quote]if you’re fucking enjoying it it’s not rape you fucking…[/quote]
For the record, enjoyment has fuck all to do with it, it’s still about consent. People have been known to orgasm during their rapes, that doesn’t make it ok or not rape.
Um…wow..not. You know, I thought I’d read some truly rehensible shit on the net. I thought mothers day screeds were bad. But what the hell are we supposed to do with this level of stupid?!
How hard is it to figure out that being raped is violating? It doenst matter how bad or not you were beaten, it doesn’t matter if you got STD or pregnant or not, it doesn’t matter how conscious or aware at the time you were.. It also doesn’t matter if you orgasmed or not or what kind of resulting trauma you did or did not experience afterwards. The fact remains that your body was put to a use you did not agree to. That you’re being intimately used in a way that totally denies you’re a human being!!
Seriously, how do you even begin to explain this to someone this clueless.
Cliff, you’re example is a good start, I’m just not sure it conveys the right level of ick.
Just noting that it’s not abnormal for stimulation to occur during rape. Obviously physical arousal is a far cry from enjoyment, but I know that rape victims sometimes suffer a lot of guilt from thinking their physical reaction means they did “enjoy” it, so I just wanted to specify that it’s not unusual, doesn’t mark consent, and anyway, enjoyment is about brain not automatic bodily responses.
I believe the teacher was saying something about how the market for insulin would always exist because there would always be people who couldn’t make their own insulin (we were discussing market elasticity).
Diabetics are defined by their inability to make insulin, asking them to do so defies rational thought. Expecting women to like rape means ignoring what rape *is*, and defies rational thought.
I’d talk about my attacker but I’m low on brain bleach. And happy pills.
@Donnie — I was questioning that comment’s relevancy to the class, not the post, it’s certainly just as tautological as the post.
@Rachel Swirsky — sorry, I should’ve been clearer but was stuck on “fuck” still — I didn’t mean to imply physical stimulation makes it not rape and should’ve said consenting.
@pillowinhell —
“The fact remains that your body was put to a use you did not agree to. That you’re being intimately used in a way that totally denies you’re a human being!!
Seriously, how do you even begin to explain this to someone this clueless.”
With examples? Though in context I’m not really sure how to do that without ending up with something too close to a rape joke.
I just wanna cry.
Trolling or not, I just….
@GingerSnaps — ahhh and now it makes sense! Thank you. There’s kitty brain bleach above if you need it.
Also, capybaras are apparently not fond of snow —
http://youtu.be/JvdbZaXNXOM
I suspect the question (about insulin) wasn’t quite as stupid as all that. He might have been asking why diabetics couldn’t manufacture insulin for themselves, rather than having to buy it from other people.
The same way I make bread, or spin yarn, etc.
Argenti, that’s my problem too. I’ve never been a rape survivor so I don’t have my own experience to draw from. Cliffs example at least covers some of the violation aspect (and the stupidity the replies bring up)..but to convey the rest…I don’t know how to do that without suggesting that they would need to experience it themselves to understand. And THAT is not a place I want to go..
Perhaps it would help if they thought of a sex act they find personally revolting and did some thinlkng about what being forced to perform that act would be like?
pillowinhell — “Perhaps it would help if they thought of a sex act they find personally revolting and did some thinlkng about what being forced to perform that act would be like?” — is basically what I was thinking, but my brain cannot find an example that isn’t rape (and I am a rape survivor)
Ah, well, I can maybe…example: how would they feel if, while vomitingly drunk, their ride decided they had to perform some task they really didn’t want to before they could get that ride (and there are no buses at this hour, and it’s snowing) — the act in question could be non-sex and it might still make the example work. Extra points if the request is made while they’re actually praying to the porcelain goddess.
Why don’t people like having their organs stolen? I mean, it’s basically just like donating an organ and most people want to be organ donors*, right? Or is it because organ thieves might not be sanitary? /sarcasm
That’s not the best example, but I think it demonstrates the “use of someone’s body against their will” aspect. It’s about as stupid as the above question anyway.
*for the record, I know not everybody wants to be an organ donor, nor are they obliged to if they don’t want to because, duh, consent.
That’s not quite right, though, because someone might enjoy a particular act, but not enjoy being forced to do it with a person and at a time not of their choosing.
This is where the “I’m a guy, I’d always want sex” stupidity gets in the way of giving good sexual examples.
I think a decent metaphor, though, is having delicious food you would normally enjoy rammed forcibly down your throat. Or, I dunno… being made to dance at gunpoint. Whether you enjoy dancing or not isn’t going to be very relevant to how you feel about that–the fact that you’re being forced to is definitely going to be foremost in your mind.
Argenti, that might be a good place to start.
It would definitely convey just how much you don’t want to be there/ in that situation and the gross cruelty of the person making the demand.
“Or, I dunno… being made to dance at gunpoint. Whether you enjoy dancing or not isn’t going to be very relevant to how you feel about that–the fact that you’re being forced to is definitely going to be foremost in your mind.”
I like this example (someone, somewhere, probably enjoys having food rammed down their throat, whereas “you will die if you do no comply” is probably against everyone’s wishes)
I noticed that the question was phrased such that it implied lall women everywhere have the same sexual preferences. PUAs, there’s step one of the myriad of logical fallacies involved in your method.
also /)_-
I am totally using that emote from now on.
@itsrdc — my apologies for that, I should’ve said consent but my brain was stuttering “fuck” and logic failed. I did not intend to imply that physiology = consent.
Everybody likes a cool glass of water on a hot day, right? Yet if you strap some guy to a table, pinch his nose shut, force his mouth open, stick a funnel down his throat, and start pouring in a gallon or so of nice cool water, he’ll start complaining about torture and the Geneva convention and how he had to drink to keep from drowning, etc.
I mean, everybody drinks water, right? Do they just complain if the water isn’t clean or something? You’re just giving him some water, right? Isn’t that a nice thing to do?
/sarcasm
Sweet Jesus. I was just about to go watch some MLP.
Now I think I’ll just have a good cry.
On the OP: WHAT. WHAT.
On a more fun topic: you guys have convinced me to get into MLP:FiM and I’ve been enjoying it in these days between finals and the start of my internship :). I’m currently listening to “The Art of the Dress.”
This post is awful, but at the same time I confess to being amused by the ongoing saga of Brony Misogyny.
I wish I didn’t already know that Fluttershy attracts a lot of creepy male fans, but I’ve got a brony friend who keeps me updated.