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Spearheader: Let’s breed those stuck-up white western women out of existence.

Run, Dick, run!

One widespread belief of the manosphere crowd is that “Western women” – that is, white women in developed countries – are a bunch of stuck-up, demanding, divorce-initiating feminism-infected harridans. So the proper course of action for the almost-all-white dudes of the manosphere is to seek a woman with darker skin and a (supposedly) more pliable nature. Even better: beleaguered white dudes should move to one of the countries where these feminism-free gals live, because when you bring them to the United States they too have a tendency to become infected with evil feminism and to become as stuck-up and evil as their lighter-skinned sisters.

This belief isn’t universal amongst manospehreians by any stretch of the imagination. White nationalist manosphreians (like those who populate the blog In Mala Fide) get testy when their women are considered inferior to non-whites; others think that all women are equally evil. Still others think that moving to a whole other country is too much of a hassle. Rarely do you find a manospherian willing to state the obvious: that the “white women suck” mantra is as offensive to non-white women as it is to white women.

Over on The Spearhead, one commenter has taken the “white women suck” mantra to its logical extreme, arguing that these evil women need to be quite literally bred out of existence.

Let’s take a look at walking in hell’s argument:

If one thinks about it, the misandry and divorce problem are problems that occur in countries where the women are light-skinned–mostly Northern Hemisphere Western Contries, and where the governments are atheist or were atheist.

Problem countries are Sweden, Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, Russia, United States, France, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, etc. In short–the West. Light skinned women are by nature more dominant and controlling. If you combine that with a culture that encourages bad behavior, you as a man are doomed.

So far, this is standard-issue western-women-suck-ism. But then Hell starts talking about genes.

So the misandry problem is problem of genetics and culture. We can see the genetic differences in the United States. Asian Women divorce their husbands at a much lower rate then the other racial groups. The exception in America is the American Black Women (But isn’t she exceptional, after all)? I mean native African Women have very little resemblance to American Black Women). 

Ironically, it’s fairly typical for the white-women-suck crowd to hate black women even more; in this case the only non-typical thing about Hell’s screed is that he’s willing to cut African women some slack.

Now Hell sets forth his basic thesis:

My point is this: I maintain the best wife for a white man is someone darker skinned then he is. I maintain that the best culture for the white man and his wife is a man-friendly culture. For example, a white man and Mexican woman living in Mexico; a white man and Thai Woman living in Thailand; a white man and a Morracan Woman, living in Morraco; a white man and Turkish Woman, living in Turkey. This strategy neutralizes the light-skinned genes, and at the same time neutralizes the cultural influences.

Note: If you plan to move to Morocco to escape the tyranny of white women, you should probably learn to spell the name of the country correctly first.

Naturally, Hell can’t bring himself to suggest that white men should marry black women. And he thinks that even black men should give African-American women a pass:

For a black man, possibly the best plan is to emigrate to Africa in order to have a family. I had a friend who did this. Most African divorce laws keep the man firmly in charge with sole custody automatically going to the man.

While some Western-women-hating manospherians have something of a fetish for Eastern European women, Hell warns his fellow men to avoid these sneaky deceitful harridans as well:

Whatever you do, never bring an Eastern European, Russian, or Ukrainian Girl to the Unites States.

But it isn’t only the Eastern European women who are spoiled by the evil feminism of the west.

 In fact don’t bring any woman to the United States. Remember: even the healthiest fish becomes sick when the lake is poisoned. Some fish will become sicker than others depending on their genetic makeup. For example, that nice girl you brought over from Asia might not divorce you when she comes to the USA, but she is likely to become a much different (difficult and unpredictable) person.

So who is the best man for the white woman living in the West? Quite simply, no man; or another woman. Very few men in the West will be able to satify Western White Women.

And this, naturally, leads to what what we might call Hell’s Final Solution to the problem:

These women need to be bred out of existence.

We as men can speed the extinction of Western White Women by encouraging them to pursue the single life or to pursue another woman as a spouse (lesbianism). We can do this actively and passively. Actively by outright encouragement, and passively by never giving a Western Woman access to our sperm, money, or time.

Despite its, er, problematic content, Hell’s comment managed to draw 21 upvotes from fellow Spearheaders, more than twice the number of downvotes it received.

I eagerly await A Voice for Men’s campaign to uncover and expose the identities of Hell and his upvoters – as well as against The Spearhead itself for providing a safe harbor for such thinking. I mean, AVfM literally offered a $1000 award for the personal information of a feminist who made similarly troubling remarks about men, and a separate $1000 reward for the identities of those involved in a theatrical production about a  feminist who wrote a famous manifesto about the evils of men. Surely the A Voice for Men crowd will be equally offended by these remarks from their comrades on The Spearhead.

Here on Man Boobz we content ourselves with highlighting bad ideas, not harassing or threatening or exposing the personal information of those who promulgate them. The “war of ideas” isn’t an actual war. The bad ideas we highlight here are as silly as they are reprehensible; they will ultimately vanish from the world on their own — though hopefully our mockery of them will help to speed that process a little bit.

EDITED TO ADD: Thanks to scarlettpipistrelle for pointing me to this lovely comment.

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Pecunium
12 years ago

Kant, himself, is not the same as Kantian.

He was too rigid (in everything, his neighbors used his afternoon walks to set their set their watches) but the core principles of the Two Formulations of the Moral Imperative are amazingly functions.

1: Don’t do anything which can’t extrapolated to something everyone is allowed to do.

2: You aren’t special.

I am paraphrasing, because in the standard phrasings they are a bit opaque, but that’s what they boil down to.

Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel
Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel
12 years ago

Eugenics?

Riiight. That worked out great in the 20th century.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Pecunium, I think you just made the same point my friend’s been trying to, but with far less turning red and making annoyed noises. In other words, thank you, I think that might make sense of it for me.

zhinxy
12 years ago

That’s a pretty great phrasing of the moral imperatives. Props.

Nanasha
Nanasha
12 years ago

You know what? I just finally GOT why the majority of other countries think that “all Americans” are entitled assholes, who, other than their tourist money are basically sacks of shit- a LOT of MRAs must be taking these rants seriously and going off to play the Big White Man in those “poor, heathen countries.”

*sigh*

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

Abnoy said

Historically (as in the entirety of human history), there are really only two things the average human woman anywhere has really cared about when it comes to seeking a man as a sexual partner: the size of his wallet and the size of his body (specifically the organs involved in sex e.g. genitalia, tongue, fingers).

I know not everyone likes the term “mansplaining”, but I think it fits here. Thanks, Abnoy, for mansplaining what straight women want in male partners. Don’t listen to what actual women say they want, because they couldn’t possibly speak for themselves.

Then he said

It’s really frustrating, foreign men come to my country in the Orient and take away the choicest local women

It’s creepy to use the adjective choicest to describe women. Women are not steaks.

Sara
Sara
12 years ago

Apart from the obvious crap in this final solution, I am struck that he thinks the US is an “atheist” nation. We’re always lambasted by other European countries for our religious right and incorporating Christianity into legislation. We’re not an atheist country– quite the opposite!

Bostonian
12 years ago

“It’s creepy to use the adjective choicest to describe women. Women are not steaks.”

To these assholes, they are just like steaks.

Is it sad that I am not surprised that MRAs are stupid enough to think that white men would exist after “breeding out” white women?

DYOR
DYOR
12 years ago

All I see is hate between you people and the Mra’s. Why all this gender hating. You people equate having a more materialistic lifestyle as being treated “good”. Wrong. I don’t believe all women are materialistic. Entitled maybe?

jenndesmarais
12 years ago

You keep dodging questions, and responses to your posts. Are you afraid of having to actually think about them?

Also, mocking MRA’s is not the same as “gender hating” as MRA’s are not a gender.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
12 years ago

DYOR, there is a difference in disliking someones professed beliefs versus disliking an entire gender. I have no problem with men or masculinity. What I do have a problem with are views about women that prevent myself and other women from being able to live our lives as suits us best.

There are a great many entitled men out there as well. I don’t hold that against all men, but I will call out the individual men who feel entitled to certain things.

ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

So much so that that’s where the concept of hypergamy actually comes from — for a completely dependent woman => mother it was advantageous to marry a man who could provide for the kids, and the more he could provide, the better.

See, Ruby would say that’s genetics.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“All I see is hate between you people and the Mra’s neo-nazis. Why all this gender white-people hating.” — makes about as much sense.

“You people equate having a more materialistic lifestyle as being treated “good”. Wrong. I don’t believe all women are materialistic. Entitled maybe?” — is that about the discussion on hypergamy? Because that was about, you know, not having your kids starve to death…entitled to basic necessities? Yeah, I’d say all humans are.

Some one really needs to make a flash game that fulfills the goal-post shifting part of some people’s brains. Where’s preggo punchout MRA? I have a better use for your flash skills!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“See, Ruby would say that’s genetics.” — arglebargle, except the *men* where the hypergamous ones in matriarchal societies >.<

Also, genetics don't work like that, but we covered that already going "huh? do they expect white sons?".

Pecunium
12 years ago

DYOR: Still dodging the questions. Style points for dodging the questions you asked for.

All I see is hate between you people and the Mra’s. Why all this gender hating.

What gender hating?

ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

Argenti, yeah, if hypergamy-ness were a genetic trait, you’d see it show up in men and women. But, RESUMES! or something. I dunno, I always confuse Rubyland theories.

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
12 years ago

I don’t think genetics has anything to do with women empowering themselves, it’s all culture. And I’m sure I’m stating the obvious when I say these men hate women being as empowered as men are. They want women to look up to men as superior in order to feed the male ego.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
12 years ago

Oh? So you’ve changed your thinking on sexual attraction and marriage? That hypergamy isn’t so XX chromosome based? Well, what changed your mind Ruby?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

pillowinhel — as interested as I always am in “why?” I don’t actually *care* in this case.

Ruby — have you actually changed your mind on the ev-psych theory of marrying-up you were discussing, oh, last week I think it was?

Kavette
Kavette
12 years ago

My daughter is the poster child for the Texan type blonde privileged young adult (except we’re Canadian). Her husband is from the Philippines, 2nd generation. His parents are very poor and will not except outside help to improve their living conditions.

I live part of the year in Granada, Nicaragua. There are what you would call sex tourists in my second home. The men tend to fall into two categories; those looking for different and often young prostitutes every day and those looking for someone to love them who wouldn’t be available to them in the States. The female sex tourists/expats are as far as I’ve seen fall in the second category. I’ve never met a North American woman in Nica who preys on numerous young boys .

It’s not like it’s not for the taking. My husband steps away from the table for a minute and my 45 year old self is being proposed by 18 year old boys. This is reality, people in third world nations are in need of food and shelter. First world people are always going to be prey for those who will trade their bodies for such.

What’s really stupid is some (maybe the majority) mra’s confuse “I love you long time” with love. They do not love you, they love having food on the table and supporting their families.

Do you really think they love your pot belly bald head shrunken ass self because of your inner beauty that comprises of how much you hate women?

My own opinion is gringos add to the economy. Kids go to school because of them, families can pay the rent etc. Keep paying balding gross dudes…but here’s me saying that there is no way they love you. You are nothing but a commodity.

MRA’s just need to keep adding dollars to the third world. Good on you.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

ostara321 — if the theory was that all/most people have this genetic trait because we’ve spent millennia mating and hypergamy actually conveyed substantially better chances of survival to the offspring, I’d be willing to shrug at it — it’d make sense as survival of the fittest. But if it were x-linked…well, color blindness is x-linked, and there’s a reason women don’t tend to be color blind. So nope, gender linked doesn’t make sense.

And there’s the genetics 101 we needed earlier >.<

Also, sorry I typo'ed your SN pillowinhell.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
12 years ago

Oh no problems on mistyped names. I do it sometimes too.

Kavette I agree that pragmatism over long term survival is certainly a factor as to why people in poorer countries chose their mates. I guess in some instances it comes down to which is the lesser of two evils. Marry a daughter off who won’t truly be respected but will be well fed and cared for and will be able to help her family or don’t marry her and have her live a life with a geat deal of uncertainty as to where the next meal comes from. I’m grateful that’s not likely to be a decision I would have to make for my kids.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

You know what? I just finally GOT why the majority of other countries think that “all Americans” are entitled assholes, who, other than their tourist money are basically sacks of shit- a LOT of MRAs must be taking these rants seriously and going off to play the Big White Man in those “poor, heathen countries.”

Yeah, that has less than nothing to do with MRAs. I’d probably hazard a guess and say “That you think these meaningless, powerless twerps are entirely responsible for the shitty reputation of meriken” is symptomatic of an actual factor. Seriously, you can’t think ofa ny reason why other countries would be annoyed at Meriken? Are you sure?

Vindicare
Vindicare
12 years ago

Argenti Aertheri, why do sex-linked traits have to be linked to the sex chromosomes? For example, if you are female, there is still information in some of your autosomes how to grow a vas deferens, but it’s not used, because you lack a Y-chromosome (and so the SRY gene which is the switch that would have made you male).

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

FTR, even though I think Ruby is a self-important twit who can’t critically think her way out of a cardboard box, even I don’t think that her shitty beliefs need to be brought up in every thread she’s in. She’s normal-stupid, not Meller.

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