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Spearheader: Let’s breed those stuck-up white western women out of existence.

Run, Dick, run!

One widespread belief of the manosphere crowd is that “Western women” – that is, white women in developed countries – are a bunch of stuck-up, demanding, divorce-initiating feminism-infected harridans. So the proper course of action for the almost-all-white dudes of the manosphere is to seek a woman with darker skin and a (supposedly) more pliable nature. Even better: beleaguered white dudes should move to one of the countries where these feminism-free gals live, because when you bring them to the United States they too have a tendency to become infected with evil feminism and to become as stuck-up and evil as their lighter-skinned sisters.

This belief isn’t universal amongst manospehreians by any stretch of the imagination. White nationalist manosphreians (like those who populate the blog In Mala Fide) get testy when their women are considered inferior to non-whites; others think that all women are equally evil. Still others think that moving to a whole other country is too much of a hassle. Rarely do you find a manospherian willing to state the obvious: that the “white women suck” mantra is as offensive to non-white women as it is to white women.

Over on The Spearhead, one commenter has taken the “white women suck” mantra to its logical extreme, arguing that these evil women need to be quite literally bred out of existence.

Let’s take a look at walking in hell’s argument:

If one thinks about it, the misandry and divorce problem are problems that occur in countries where the women are light-skinned–mostly Northern Hemisphere Western Contries, and where the governments are atheist or were atheist.

Problem countries are Sweden, Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, Russia, United States, France, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, etc. In short–the West. Light skinned women are by nature more dominant and controlling. If you combine that with a culture that encourages bad behavior, you as a man are doomed.

So far, this is standard-issue western-women-suck-ism. But then Hell starts talking about genes.

So the misandry problem is problem of genetics and culture. We can see the genetic differences in the United States. Asian Women divorce their husbands at a much lower rate then the other racial groups. The exception in America is the American Black Women (But isn’t she exceptional, after all)? I mean native African Women have very little resemblance to American Black Women). 

Ironically, it’s fairly typical for the white-women-suck crowd to hate black women even more; in this case the only non-typical thing about Hell’s screed is that he’s willing to cut African women some slack.

Now Hell sets forth his basic thesis:

My point is this: I maintain the best wife for a white man is someone darker skinned then he is. I maintain that the best culture for the white man and his wife is a man-friendly culture. For example, a white man and Mexican woman living in Mexico; a white man and Thai Woman living in Thailand; a white man and a Morracan Woman, living in Morraco; a white man and Turkish Woman, living in Turkey. This strategy neutralizes the light-skinned genes, and at the same time neutralizes the cultural influences.

Note: If you plan to move to Morocco to escape the tyranny of white women, you should probably learn to spell the name of the country correctly first.

Naturally, Hell can’t bring himself to suggest that white men should marry black women. And he thinks that even black men should give African-American women a pass:

For a black man, possibly the best plan is to emigrate to Africa in order to have a family. I had a friend who did this. Most African divorce laws keep the man firmly in charge with sole custody automatically going to the man.

While some Western-women-hating manospherians have something of a fetish for Eastern European women, Hell warns his fellow men to avoid these sneaky deceitful harridans as well:

Whatever you do, never bring an Eastern European, Russian, or Ukrainian Girl to the Unites States.

But it isn’t only the Eastern European women who are spoiled by the evil feminism of the west.

 In fact don’t bring any woman to the United States. Remember: even the healthiest fish becomes sick when the lake is poisoned. Some fish will become sicker than others depending on their genetic makeup. For example, that nice girl you brought over from Asia might not divorce you when she comes to the USA, but she is likely to become a much different (difficult and unpredictable) person.

So who is the best man for the white woman living in the West? Quite simply, no man; or another woman. Very few men in the West will be able to satify Western White Women.

And this, naturally, leads to what what we might call Hell’s Final Solution to the problem:

These women need to be bred out of existence.

We as men can speed the extinction of Western White Women by encouraging them to pursue the single life or to pursue another woman as a spouse (lesbianism). We can do this actively and passively. Actively by outright encouragement, and passively by never giving a Western Woman access to our sperm, money, or time.

Despite its, er, problematic content, Hell’s comment managed to draw 21 upvotes from fellow Spearheaders, more than twice the number of downvotes it received.

I eagerly await A Voice for Men’s campaign to uncover and expose the identities of Hell and his upvoters – as well as against The Spearhead itself for providing a safe harbor for such thinking. I mean, AVfM literally offered a $1000 award for the personal information of a feminist who made similarly troubling remarks about men, and a separate $1000 reward for the identities of those involved in a theatrical production about a  feminist who wrote a famous manifesto about the evils of men. Surely the A Voice for Men crowd will be equally offended by these remarks from their comrades on The Spearhead.

Here on Man Boobz we content ourselves with highlighting bad ideas, not harassing or threatening or exposing the personal information of those who promulgate them. The “war of ideas” isn’t an actual war. The bad ideas we highlight here are as silly as they are reprehensible; they will ultimately vanish from the world on their own — though hopefully our mockery of them will help to speed that process a little bit.

EDITED TO ADD: Thanks to scarlettpipistrelle for pointing me to this lovely comment.

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Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

do we need to add hypocritical to dumb and bigoted on your list of personality flaws.

You mean we haven’t already?

giliell
giliell
12 years ago

“a white man and Turkish Woman, living in Turkey.”
I’m always amazed at their definition of “white”.
I’m what are the Turkish?
As somebody who’s been called “a Turkish bitch” it seems to me that most people can’t tell a dark haired “western woman” from a dark haired “Turkish woman”…

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Lonely, frustrated, or bewildered men may do better looking at culture and geography, as well as race and nationality

Or they start amassing QUITE the Madame Alexander doll collection.

Mellertoad, you suck as a person.

giliell
giliell
12 years ago

“and even if you find a treasured jewel from the third world, she will probably go feminist on you in a few years here, and you will be back where you started!”
I heard Saudi Arabia was pretty guy friendly. She can hardly get a divorce there anyway

Magpie
Magpie
12 years ago

He’s written a whole screed about race, yet he thinks everyone in africa is the same race?

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
12 years ago

Hey David, wasn’t there somewhere on the posts comments where it was mentioned that white women were just too strong? It was kinda slid in there and completely ignored.

Stood out to me though as a Freudian slip.

ostara321
ostara321
12 years ago

This is an observation about behavior, not necessarily “race”. Feminism is today a worldwide disease, although it infects White women to a somewhat greater degree (so far) than it does nonwhite ones.

Well, there goes the “breeding feminism out” theory. I mean, if all we have to do is breath on them and they catch the “plague” of thinking they deserve to be treated as actual people*, then the MRM is pretty much doomed, isn’t it?

*lordy, do I wish this were true. If I could breath the bigot out of people, my life would have so much less headdesk.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
12 years ago

All their rants seem to boil down to human rights for me but not for thee.

Pear_tree
Pear_tree
12 years ago

Can you have a white man and a Mexican woman living in Thailand, or does that just make their heads explode? The only thing that has always confused me about this is why are these superior women settling for one of these guys? Having met (and worked with) men from various countries that aren’t Western and English speaking, they seem fairly ordinary guys, and often quite nice. I can’t understand why non-Western women would be rushing to American MRAs.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
12 years ago

Annnd isn’t the underlying assumption of misogynists all about how strong and resolute men are in pursuing their interests?

So essentially isnt that statement a head nod to them not being as manly as they like to percieve themselves?

Amnesia
Amnesia
12 years ago

My heartfelt condolences to all those women of a non-peach-ish appearing skin color for these sorts of MRAs.

FelixBC
FelixBC
12 years ago

Pretty funny seeing all the demands for “cites” on the Spearhead site. Aren’t citations a feminist conspiracy, while just saying shit as facts is more manly? Even the spearheaders can’t take this genetic malarkey as fact, although they’re quick to say “but you’re right about women anyways”.

KathleenB
KathleenB
12 years ago

Meller: Would you please pass on a few more words about how funny you find cancer? Because a dear friend’s husband is dying of aggressive metastatic testicular cancer, and I’m sure she would find your comments fucking hilarious. (thanks, again, to everyone who passed on good wishes and condolences.)

And, just to point out what a horrible excuse for a human being you are, our crazypants cat is alive and well, despite drawing blood today – it’s evidently a ‘don’t you dare scratch the base of my tail’ kind of day, and she’s not really all that great at communicating that without claws.

Fuck right off,
KathleenB

Blue Jean
Blue Jean
12 years ago

@FelixBC,

Please tell me MRAism is a genetic trait, and they’ll (not) breed themselves out of existence. What was that book, the sci fi one, with all the manly men living outside the village, let in only to reproduce with the women, and then they find out that none of them have been actually breeding, and it’s the kindler, gentler manginas in the village that are the actual fathers of the children? The women are breeding out violence. Spearhead night terror reading.

I think you’re thinking of Sherri Tepper’s The Gate To Women’s Country which is a great book, (despite the horrible cover that Wikipedia chose for illustration). The “kinder, gentler manginas” knew about the breeding program all along, but the manly warriors never got a clue, because they were too busy plotting to take over the entire village and make women their slaves.

chibigodzilla
12 years ago

Your chances in the USSA People’s Republic are almost nonexistent, and even if you find a treasured jewel from the third world, she will probably go feminist on you in a few years here, and you will be back where you started!

Wait, if you bring a woman to a country where she actually has rights, she wants to keep and assert those rights? How astonishing!

princessbonbon
12 years ago

You know if women spontaneously and repeatedly start fighting to be treated equally to men the world over, one would think that it would dawn on MRAs that maybe women are naturally not doormats.

One would think…if one used logic, which is precious short supply in with MRAs like DKM.

felixBC
felixBC
12 years ago

Blue Jean, thanks. That’s the one. Servitors, not manginas. But now that I read the wikipedia summary, I notice I missed some major BS:

“It is more apparent that violent men are being weeded out, but women are also given hysterectomies and tubal litigations at the discretion of the medical officers.
The biological determinism of Tepper’s world also controls sexuality, and the novel constructs homosexuality as a genetic and hormonal disorder which has been eugenically removed from the population. Jane Donawerth, applauding the depth and richness of Tepper’s exploration of this theme, describes Tepper’s approach as a “chillingly homophobic solution”. ”

Whoa, not ok. Good thing I didn’t remember any of that. Though I was recommending it ironically; I remember it as pretty schlocky, and that it annoyed a bunch of people. Rightly so.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Those women develop feminist streaks too, so long as they have leeway to do so (It’s becoming more popular in China and Japan, f’rex). Clearly you must try to join the marriage strike and refuse to breed at all. That’ll surely help.

girlwatcher
girlwatcher
12 years ago

There is a comic I read semi-regularly which will remain nameless, about a misogynistic barbarian warrior who is transformed into an attractive woman. It’s sort of a swords-and-sorcery pastiche with a habit of playing both sides of the fence when it comes to fanservice. Now I’m not sure if this was due to the original writer or the one who took over last year, but said warrior wound up being betrothed to the king, who was the father of the princess she rescued. What was very interesting was the way that, as the barbarian’s self-image collapsed in whiny misogyny and she started to become a weak bimbo, the writer went out of his way to portray the king as *very* turned off by that. A rather nice touch for an R-rated jiggle-ish comic I think…

Sandra
Sandra
12 years ago

I suppose this counters my trolling of MRA sites pretending to be a bloke and vehemently encouraging these inferiors to all get vasectomies and To Go Their Own Way. It’s all yin and yang I guess.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
12 years ago

Very few men in the West will be able to satify Western White Women.

Yet I found one. Perhaps the MRAs would like lessons from him? (Hint: Lesson One is “stop being a racist, misogynistic fuckwit.”)

Ironically, I found him *after* he had spent several years teaching in many of the countries/continents that the “flee the white western women!” MRAs suggest men try instead. Odd, that. Almost like women are human beings, no matter where you go….

Brian Connors
12 years ago

DKM:

I always thought the interesting part of The Joy Luck Club was the Chinese-American woman who thought she was supposed to be a doormat, only to find out her (white) husband was cheating on her because he didn’t like weak women.

Blue Jean
Blue Jean
12 years ago

@felixBC,

You’re welcome. Well, Gate isn’t to everybody’s taste, and I understand about the WC’s homophobia, but Tepper wasn’t writing about an ideal society; she was writing a dystopia. Nobody’s happy with the situation, the WC leadership least of all; they see themselves as doing damnable things so the unthinkable (nuclear war) won’t happen again. The elimination of zygotes who might develop as gay* was Tepper’s way of cutting the Gordian knot based on this kind of dystopia; it’s a little hard to keep the big secret of the bait and switch when some people on both teams refuse to play at all. If you want to see a society where everyone’s sexuality is embraced and celebrated, then try Tepper’s Six Moon Dance, which depicts a far happier community.

Though I was recommending it ironically; I remember it as pretty schlocky, and that it annoyed a bunch of people. Rightly so.

Schlocky? Hon, you have you ever waded through the endless Gor saga? Or the thousands of fantasy titles where the men are almighty warriors and the women are sex slaves/breeders who do little more than say “Yes, master.” or “No, master.”? Then you can tell from schlocky. :-D**

*note that gay people themselves are not persecuted or mistreated, even though there might be some among the Holylanders whom the WC wants to rescue, and there are certainly some who decide to join WC, like the psychic twins.

**Gate, BTW, is partly an ironic joke based on this manly warrior/breeder woman type of post nuclear fiction. I turned to it after I lived through The Postman (the movie, not the book).

VoIP
VoIP
12 years ago

Um, Blue Jean, Tepper’s pretty consistently problematic.

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2011/04/15/deconstructing-sheri-teppers-2008-interview-with-strange-horizons/

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/04/sheri-s-teppers-dystopias

“Persons who look human but who are uncontrollable or who habitually hurt other people will no longer be defined as human,” she said in a 2008 interview with Strange Horizons.

“Walled cities will be built in the wastelands and all nonhuman persons will be sterilized and sent to live there, together, raising their own food. There will be no traffic in, no traffic out, except for studies that may be done which might lead to a ‘cure.’ There will be no chat about this sequestration being ‘inhumane,’ because the persons so confined are not human by definition.”

The “nonhumans” she’s referring to are people with mental illnesses or those with addictions.