One widespread belief of the manosphere crowd is that “Western women” – that is, white women in developed countries – are a bunch of stuck-up, demanding, divorce-initiating feminism-infected harridans. So the proper course of action for the almost-all-white dudes of the manosphere is to seek a woman with darker skin and a (supposedly) more pliable nature. Even better: beleaguered white dudes should move to one of the countries where these feminism-free gals live, because when you bring them to the United States they too have a tendency to become infected with evil feminism and to become as stuck-up and evil as their lighter-skinned sisters.
This belief isn’t universal amongst manospehreians by any stretch of the imagination. White nationalist manosphreians (like those who populate the blog In Mala Fide) get testy when their women are considered inferior to non-whites; others think that all women are equally evil. Still others think that moving to a whole other country is too much of a hassle. Rarely do you find a manospherian willing to state the obvious: that the “white women suck” mantra is as offensive to non-white women as it is to white women.
Over on The Spearhead, one commenter has taken the “white women suck” mantra to its logical extreme, arguing that these evil women need to be quite literally bred out of existence.
Let’s take a look at walking in hell’s argument:
If one thinks about it, the misandry and divorce problem are problems that occur in countries where the women are light-skinned–mostly Northern Hemisphere Western Contries, and where the governments are atheist or were atheist.
Problem countries are Sweden, Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, Russia, United States, France, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, etc. In short–the West. Light skinned women are by nature more dominant and controlling. If you combine that with a culture that encourages bad behavior, you as a man are doomed.
So far, this is standard-issue western-women-suck-ism. But then Hell starts talking about genes.
So the misandry problem is problem of genetics and culture. We can see the genetic differences in the United States. Asian Women divorce their husbands at a much lower rate then the other racial groups. The exception in America is the American Black Women (But isn’t she exceptional, after all)? I mean native African Women have very little resemblance to American Black Women).
Ironically, it’s fairly typical for the white-women-suck crowd to hate black women even more; in this case the only non-typical thing about Hell’s screed is that he’s willing to cut African women some slack.
Now Hell sets forth his basic thesis:
My point is this: I maintain the best wife for a white man is someone darker skinned then he is. I maintain that the best culture for the white man and his wife is a man-friendly culture. For example, a white man and Mexican woman living in Mexico; a white man and Thai Woman living in Thailand; a white man and a Morracan Woman, living in Morraco; a white man and Turkish Woman, living in Turkey. This strategy neutralizes the light-skinned genes, and at the same time neutralizes the cultural influences.
Note: If you plan to move to Morocco to escape the tyranny of white women, you should probably learn to spell the name of the country correctly first.
Naturally, Hell can’t bring himself to suggest that white men should marry black women. And he thinks that even black men should give African-American women a pass:
For a black man, possibly the best plan is to emigrate to Africa in order to have a family. I had a friend who did this. Most African divorce laws keep the man firmly in charge with sole custody automatically going to the man.
While some Western-women-hating manospherians have something of a fetish for Eastern European women, Hell warns his fellow men to avoid these sneaky deceitful harridans as well:
Whatever you do, never bring an Eastern European, Russian, or Ukrainian Girl to the Unites States.
But it isn’t only the Eastern European women who are spoiled by the evil feminism of the west.
In fact don’t bring any woman to the United States. Remember: even the healthiest fish becomes sick when the lake is poisoned. Some fish will become sicker than others depending on their genetic makeup. For example, that nice girl you brought over from Asia might not divorce you when she comes to the USA, but she is likely to become a much different (difficult and unpredictable) person.
So who is the best man for the white woman living in the West? Quite simply, no man; or another woman. Very few men in the West will be able to satify Western White Women.
And this, naturally, leads to what what we might call Hell’s Final Solution to the problem:
These women need to be bred out of existence.
We as men can speed the extinction of Western White Women by encouraging them to pursue the single life or to pursue another woman as a spouse (lesbianism). We can do this actively and passively. Actively by outright encouragement, and passively by never giving a Western Woman access to our sperm, money, or time.
Despite its, er, problematic content, Hell’s comment managed to draw 21 upvotes from fellow Spearheaders, more than twice the number of downvotes it received.
I eagerly await A Voice for Men’s campaign to uncover and expose the identities of Hell and his upvoters – as well as against The Spearhead itself for providing a safe harbor for such thinking. I mean, AVfM literally offered a $1000 award for the personal information of a feminist who made similarly troubling remarks about men, and a separate $1000 reward for the identities of those involved in a theatrical production about a feminist who wrote a famous manifesto about the evils of men. Surely the A Voice for Men crowd will be equally offended by these remarks from their comrades on The Spearhead.
Here on Man Boobz we content ourselves with highlighting bad ideas, not harassing or threatening or exposing the personal information of those who promulgate them. The “war of ideas” isn’t an actual war. The bad ideas we highlight here are as silly as they are reprehensible; they will ultimately vanish from the world on their own — though hopefully our mockery of them will help to speed that process a little bit.
EDITED TO ADD: Thanks to scarlettpipistrelle for pointing me to this lovely comment.
When I was still living in London my best friend was “foreign”. I’m going to be nice and not repeat any of the things she had to say about some British men. Didn’t have anything much bad to say about British women, as far as I remember.
(The British men she was complaining about were a lot like Mike, the kind who referred to her as “foreign”.)
At least straw feminists and MRA, in Mike’s mind, care for their own gender*. Mike cares for Mike. And people he finds attractive, which means he does not really see them as people.
*In reality, feminists care for more and MRAs, well they care for a very small subset of men.
Oh look, it’s one of those “I’m Above It All” guys. We haven’t had a troll like you in a while.
Also I wonder if anyone here other than Ponkz is picking up on the undercurrent that I am. Brits as a rule don’t use the word “foreign” unless they’re a very specific sort of Brit, the sort who reads the Daily Mail and has all kinds of unsavory ideas about, well, just about everything really.
Oh, I’m definitely getting that vibe. The whole “English women” rather than saying British thing as well – no mention of Welsh, or Scottish, or Irish women. There’s a sort of person who reads the Daily Mail down south who tends to view *anyone* not English as ‘foreign’ and untrustworthy, so that includes Scots, Welsh and Irish people.
In fact, Mike’s attitude reminds me of something a friend told me about encountering such a person in a pub. He’s from Ayrshire originally but now lives down in England. He met a guy in a pub who loudly opined that The Scotch (and they always refer to us as Scotch, not Scots – that’s usually a good indicator you’re dealing with a xenophobic idiot) are bastards, “but you’re all right, mate.” It’s the whole, “But not 100% are worthless! I’m not a complete bigot!” thing again. Er, yes you are!
I always used to feel like saying “Scotch is for eggs, not for people, sweetie”. But yeah, calling people “foreign” is a dogwhistle for xenophobia, as is rolling everyone from outside the UK into one giant mass of “foreign” as is if they were all one giant undifferentiated mass.
He’s already admitted to being a fan of Tom Leykis. I’m sure he has lots of “unsavory ideas”, particularly about women.
Ugh, he’s like an English version of Ullere. I thought that leaving the UK would mean leaving people like that behind, but apparently not.
The guys over on MGTOW are pretty big fans of his–what a surprise.
I find it highly offensive that men who choose to marry women from foreign nations are somehow “dysfunctional” losers who have sex with fembots and dolls. LOL!!!! How silly and childish such talk is.
The truth is, I myself married a Middle Eastern woman (Lebanese) for some (though not all) of the same reasons that this hellcat alluded to. None of those reasons had anything to do with me “not being able to get a white femaIe,” or white female “being too strong”. LOL!!! Strong? Dont’ be ridiculous. More like “unenjoyable to be around”. Contrary to those aformentioned stated opinions. I 1) Have always found white women to be rather easy to bed (and I have slept with many). And 2) I rarely ever met white women who had any real stregnth. Most of their “stregnth” comes from attaining affirmative action positions, and government enforcement of the special treatment that they are afforded in western societies.
The truth is, I have always found darker skinned woman more attractive than lighter skinned females. They age better, and are generally much more laid back and free spirited than their pale skinned sisters. Also, this belief among feminists that spearhead white male readers are searching for women who are completely submissive and sub-servient is ridiculous. I know many white men married to non-white females. In fact I know well over a dozen such men whom are my personal friends and associates and do not know a single white man that fits that description.
In closing, I think that hell cat could have stated his opinion a little more tactfully. However I find many of the posts and comments on this site far more offensive. I think that it is a good thing that more white men are getting out in the world and meeting different females from different backrounds. I think this trend will grow as more and more white males migrate to other non-western nations. This trend should be praised (or atleast be treated neutral) as oppossed to receiving the scorn that it has.
@Cassandra
Oh, no doubt. That’s the reason I have no problem believing his anecdotes, I’m intimately familiar with his type. It’s funny: although I see the whole FOREIGN BRIDE thing in the manosphere stuff that David links to, I’ve only seen this particular usage offline in England. “Fucking immigrant”, OTOH, seems to transcend all boundaries
And your evidence for this is…?
I certainly identify as a male feminist, and if you told my wife that I’d “abandoned any sort of self being” or that I don’t have a mind of my own, you’d be met with uncontrollable giggling, possibly accompanied by a heartfelt “if only!”. And I think the last time I “desperately wanted female attention” was when I was still a teenage virgin, which was more than a quarter century ago – since then I’ve had pretty much non-stop “female attention” without making any effort at all.
OK, maybe all the female feminists I hang out with really do start jeering and pointing as soon as my back’s turned, but I’d honestly be very very surprised. Not least because I can’t for the life of me fathom what their motives would be. You know, since they voluntarily choose to hang out with me, even to the point of initiating such encounters themselves.
Oh, and I completely endorse CassandraSays’ point about Daily Mail readers – and whether or not Mike literally reads the paper is neither here nor there: he’s exhibiting exactly the same characteristics and prejudices.
Amazing! Those foreign chicks must really get around too, seeing as Mike has these strong opinions on Anglo women EVERYWHERE!
Because of course, Canadian culture is just like American culture which is just like English culture right? Really no differences at all!
Just going to leave this here for our friend Mike.
I don’t read The Daily Fail, The Daily Fail sickens me, just like most of the right wingers. (I’m an independent) And yes, I am a Tom Leykis fan and proud. He taught me not to take shit from uppity, loud mouthed, bitchy women like the ones on this website.
Actually I think you must enjoy loud mouthed bitchy women mike. You are here, quite deliberately interacting with an entire board chock full of us.
Do tell
Mike makes me glad I don’t listen anymore. He sounds like a mindless sheep, partly because of how he parrots Things Of Which Tom Disapproves and partly because of how he buys into stereotypes and gender-normative bullshit hook, line, and sinker. Thanks for being a walking deterrent, Mike.
“Funny thing…there was recently an incident where Will Smith was assaulted by a reporter who got him in a headlock and forced a kiss on him, and then pushed the guy away and smacked him, and if you take a look at the blog comments it’s running about 95% feminists saying “of course he has a right to defend himself and push back if someone assaults him – no, he shouldn’t have to put up with that just because he’s a man”. Which is exactly what I would have predicted would happen, because in general feminists are in fact supportive of men who’re sexually assaulted”
Well of course they are going to say that, it fits in with their own agenda. They are hardly going to say “well, he’s a guy, so we approve.” The acid test was duke lacrosse, and the feminists failed. Remember feminist “males” if you were on that team, they would have loved to see you in prison, in fact, I suspect the feminists still want those 3 innocent men in prison. They sure as hell weren’t concerned about their innocence!
BTW, where is that Crystal Gail Mangum cunt? In prison for murder now, right? Remember feminist “males”, they would value a woman like this more than you if she pointed the finger. You carry on supporting these feminist scum though, you’re getting what you deserve No sympathy from me.
Mike give it up already. Men who don’t commit rape and actively seek consent, which is the vast majority of men by the way, don’t worry about rape accusations. Do you know why? Because false accussations are quite uncommon. They are in fact, no more common than false accusations of any other kind.
You’re in such a bad mood this morning Mike. Maybe you should have another coffee and take a break.
First of all, it’s called a “lithmus test”, you dolt. Maybe you are forgetting English, what dating all those foreign women — but I bet you haven’t become fluent in Tagalog, either.
Second, in the Duke Lacrosse case, no men were raped. Some men were accused of rape and prosecuted, based on there being, at one time, sufficient evidence for a prima facie case. They were ultimately exonerated, and the attorney who committed misconduct was punished — proving that the system actually worked for these men, in a situation where people who aren’t well-off white dudes get railroaded.
Third, these “innocent men” didn’t help their image by telling the stripper to fuck herself with a broom and circulating an e-mail describing a fantasy in which they would masturbate while slicing a woman’s skin off with a razor, reaching an orgasm as she dies. “Innocent”? In a technical sense, yeah, and I don’t want them going to prison for this crime. But I sure as hell don’t want to run across one of these “innocent men” in a dark alley, I don’t want them living anywhere near my kids, and I don’t want them ever attaining positions of power and control over women, so that they may act out their gory fantasies. It’s like I’ve always said, if you don’t want to be perceived as a rapist, don’t act like one. Who knows, perhaps those “foreign women” you are talking about enjoy being treated like animals and having their skin sliced off during sex, but somehow the attention that violent, murderous men pay them doesn’t make me jealous.
Yeah, she’s in prison because feminists totally control the system, the government, and everything, and victims of female criminals can’t ever get justice EVAH.
You are utterly INCAPABLE of logical thinking, Mike, are you?
Indeed. And on the rare occasions when false rape accusations end up in a full-scale court hearing, the accuser usually gets punished severely – which itself is a pretty strong disincentive to anyone who’s tempted to pull that particular stunt.
There has barely been a day since the mid-1980s when I haven’t been alone in a room with someone of the opposite sex for a period of several minutes minimum, and not once have I ever felt that I was in danger of being hit with a false rape accusation, and neither have I ever thought that such a thing was likely from any of my various sexual partners over the years. Which isn’t to say that it could never happen, of course, but it’s vanishingly unlikely – not just in terms of statistical probability but in terms of plausibility in general.
And I suspect a major reason for this is that I’ve always been certain that the sexual activity I’ve taken part in has been consensual – even to the point of refusing to have sex with a close friend’s sister because although she seemed all too willing at the time, she was clearly too drunk to give informed consent. But I suspect the average MRA would have been all over her (literally), and that’s exactly the sort of scenario that does lead to rape accusations – and quite rightly.
Coffee might be a mistake.
If you don’t take any shit from us uppity, bitchy women, why are you here?