One widespread belief of the manosphere crowd is that “Western women” – that is, white women in developed countries – are a bunch of stuck-up, demanding, divorce-initiating feminism-infected harridans. So the proper course of action for the almost-all-white dudes of the manosphere is to seek a woman with darker skin and a (supposedly) more pliable nature. Even better: beleaguered white dudes should move to one of the countries where these feminism-free gals live, because when you bring them to the United States they too have a tendency to become infected with evil feminism and to become as stuck-up and evil as their lighter-skinned sisters.
This belief isn’t universal amongst manospehreians by any stretch of the imagination. White nationalist manosphreians (like those who populate the blog In Mala Fide) get testy when their women are considered inferior to non-whites; others think that all women are equally evil. Still others think that moving to a whole other country is too much of a hassle. Rarely do you find a manospherian willing to state the obvious: that the “white women suck” mantra is as offensive to non-white women as it is to white women.
Over on The Spearhead, one commenter has taken the “white women suck” mantra to its logical extreme, arguing that these evil women need to be quite literally bred out of existence.
Let’s take a look at walking in hell’s argument:
If one thinks about it, the misandry and divorce problem are problems that occur in countries where the women are light-skinned–mostly Northern Hemisphere Western Contries, and where the governments are atheist or were atheist.
Problem countries are Sweden, Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, Russia, United States, France, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, etc. In short–the West. Light skinned women are by nature more dominant and controlling. If you combine that with a culture that encourages bad behavior, you as a man are doomed.
So far, this is standard-issue western-women-suck-ism. But then Hell starts talking about genes.
So the misandry problem is problem of genetics and culture. We can see the genetic differences in the United States. Asian Women divorce their husbands at a much lower rate then the other racial groups. The exception in America is the American Black Women (But isn’t she exceptional, after all)? I mean native African Women have very little resemblance to American Black Women).
Ironically, it’s fairly typical for the white-women-suck crowd to hate black women even more; in this case the only non-typical thing about Hell’s screed is that he’s willing to cut African women some slack.
Now Hell sets forth his basic thesis:
My point is this: I maintain the best wife for a white man is someone darker skinned then he is. I maintain that the best culture for the white man and his wife is a man-friendly culture. For example, a white man and Mexican woman living in Mexico; a white man and Thai Woman living in Thailand; a white man and a Morracan Woman, living in Morraco; a white man and Turkish Woman, living in Turkey. This strategy neutralizes the light-skinned genes, and at the same time neutralizes the cultural influences.
Note: If you plan to move to Morocco to escape the tyranny of white women, you should probably learn to spell the name of the country correctly first.
Naturally, Hell can’t bring himself to suggest that white men should marry black women. And he thinks that even black men should give African-American women a pass:
For a black man, possibly the best plan is to emigrate to Africa in order to have a family. I had a friend who did this. Most African divorce laws keep the man firmly in charge with sole custody automatically going to the man.
While some Western-women-hating manospherians have something of a fetish for Eastern European women, Hell warns his fellow men to avoid these sneaky deceitful harridans as well:
Whatever you do, never bring an Eastern European, Russian, or Ukrainian Girl to the Unites States.
But it isn’t only the Eastern European women who are spoiled by the evil feminism of the west.
In fact don’t bring any woman to the United States. Remember: even the healthiest fish becomes sick when the lake is poisoned. Some fish will become sicker than others depending on their genetic makeup. For example, that nice girl you brought over from Asia might not divorce you when she comes to the USA, but she is likely to become a much different (difficult and unpredictable) person.
So who is the best man for the white woman living in the West? Quite simply, no man; or another woman. Very few men in the West will be able to satify Western White Women.
And this, naturally, leads to what what we might call Hell’s Final Solution to the problem:
These women need to be bred out of existence.
We as men can speed the extinction of Western White Women by encouraging them to pursue the single life or to pursue another woman as a spouse (lesbianism). We can do this actively and passively. Actively by outright encouragement, and passively by never giving a Western Woman access to our sperm, money, or time.
Despite its, er, problematic content, Hell’s comment managed to draw 21 upvotes from fellow Spearheaders, more than twice the number of downvotes it received.
I eagerly await A Voice for Men’s campaign to uncover and expose the identities of Hell and his upvoters – as well as against The Spearhead itself for providing a safe harbor for such thinking. I mean, AVfM literally offered a $1000 award for the personal information of a feminist who made similarly troubling remarks about men, and a separate $1000 reward for the identities of those involved in a theatrical production about a feminist who wrote a famous manifesto about the evils of men. Surely the A Voice for Men crowd will be equally offended by these remarks from their comrades on The Spearhead.
Here on Man Boobz we content ourselves with highlighting bad ideas, not harassing or threatening or exposing the personal information of those who promulgate them. The “war of ideas” isn’t an actual war. The bad ideas we highlight here are as silly as they are reprehensible; they will ultimately vanish from the world on their own — though hopefully our mockery of them will help to speed that process a little bit.
EDITED TO ADD: Thanks to scarlettpipistrelle for pointing me to this lovely comment.
And as for not being an MRA, the dreaded double ellipsis says otherwise
Ah, racists, and their idiosyncratic definitions of “White” and “Western”.
Sometimes I heave a sigh of relief that these men are deliberately choosing to stay away from me, but then I realize that in doing so I’m essentially supporting their pursuit of non-White Western women, which is seriously uncool. Especially since those women are likely to face way more bullshit than I am, what with the “ooh, you’re so exotic!” and the “in your culture, women know how to treat their men right, right?” and so — sickeningly — on.
Wait, Spain is not the West now?
*Confused*
The ‘White Western’ status of Spain is one of those things that’s been in flux ever since the first racialist theorists came up with the whole bullshit, kinda like Eastern Europeans (Slavs) or the Irish. Spain was invaded by the Moors at some point in time, you see, so the ‘pedigree’ of Spanish people is sort of a point of contention. Just like Eastern Europe, the Spanish people are ‘endangered Whites’ when it is of convenience to whip up fervor against an enemy (Muslims/Arabs here, Communists in Eastern Europe) and ‘mongrel race mixers’ when it is convenient to whip up specifically nationalist (rather than “pan-Western”) sentiments. For instance, when American racists oppose Mexican immigration, some of them will limit themselves to theories about them being too mixed with indigenous people, but many will claim even their Spanish ancestors were already not White enough for America before they even got to the continent.
This complete lack of consistency is not exactly surprising coming from theories that are basically pulled out of the collective anus of humankind.
And of course, since fascism is usually an anti-socialist reactionary policies, the fact of the popularity of anarchism or communism in Spain (Spanish Civil War), Italy (prior to fascist takeover) and Eastern Europe (the stronghold of Bakunin’s faction in the Internationale) is pointed at as a proof of the racial degeneracy of these people by white supremacists.
Similar positions were put forward by the BNP regarding Ireland/the IRA.
In fact, I think this is a perfect example of intersectionality between class and race. Time and time again, class struggle is reframed by counter-revolutionaries as a disease that comes from outsider influence. “Proper Whites” don’t oppose the system, only foreigners, alien influences within the community by minority groups, or White traitors infected by such people. Hence the narrative about Martin Luther King being a communist, the constant propaganda about the Occupy or altermondialist movements being the work of ‘outside professional agitators doing summit hopping”. As long as you think opponents are The Other, it’s easier to demonize them.
Wait aren’t you a western man yourself? XD I guess you “deserve” western women right? or is there something that makes you a special snowflake who “deserves” foreign women?
Also comparing men to dogs, nice misandry there. You are truly the forefront of men’s rights and equality for all men. XD
A: Spanish people are white, you jackass
B: Spain is farther west than Germany and France, you moron.
There are too many people respond to respond to each once individually, so I’m just gonna make general statements, because I don’t care too much about semantics while missing the main point.
Anyway, I’m talking about Western white women as from countries like the UK, America, Australia and other countries like them. It’s a cultural thing, not really a race, location thing. A dark woman raised in the UK can be just as bad as the white chicks from here.
To the person who thinks I loathe myself, I love myself enough to stay away from Western women, especially the shrieking, castrating chicks like on feminist forums and such.
You feminists and MRAs are as bad as each other. As for feminist men, what can I say? Since I think MRAs are worthless, I don’t expect you to become like them, but holy shit, it’s like you don’t have minds of you own. It’s like you desperately want female attention so your willing to abandon any sort of self being you have. By the way, deep down, the female feminists hate you, and you are deserving of it.
Yet, here you are.
Well that makes your racist comments so much better.
False Equivalence, HO!
I also stay away from Western women, preferring Sci-fi women and Fantasy women, as well as the occasional Horror woman or Rom-com woman.
Why do they always assume I am straight and doing it to get laid? Is it so radical that I want women to have the same opportunities men have because its the right thing? I am sorry I am not like you and don’t see social justice as “what I can personally gain” but rather what I can help “people gain”. It’s pretty telling when you project your own selfish reasons for being interested in social justice on us.
I can also smell your male insecurity a male away dude. You might want to cover that up better. You can try to shame me with your own anxiety of women gaining the same social standing as men but its not going to work because I do not care nor do I view women as lesser. Call me a “pussy” who “thoughts are dictating by women” and it reveals far more about your anxiety about women than anything that actually has to do with me.
I’ll thank you mike to not speak on behalf of people you don’t know.
I’m actually pretty at peace with the world, have declared no one an enemy and really can only think of one person I intensely dislike. I reallu can’t be bothered with hating people, let alone half the human population simply because they exist.
Speak for yourself, its the only person you’re qualified to speak for.
Jumbofish, I’m guessing they assume male feminists are straight and doing it to get laid because a) they are straight b) there’s only one reason they would set aside their machismo to pretend to see women as human, and, lacking imagination, can’t imagine why a man would so abase himself as to be a woman’s equal. Because being a male feminist totally entails being required to sit down and pee on demand, amirite fellas?!
Hahahaahahahahaahaa! Oh man, keep it dude, you’re hilarious. Like a dull, obnoxious, small-minded bigot such as yourself knows a single fucking thing about my “self being”. Advocate for men’s issues? Please. You’re nothing but a schoolyard bully.
*keep it up*
Mike is teaching me all kinds of important information about myself. I never realized I secretly hated my best friend before!
Mike: There are too many people respond to respond to each once individually, so I’m just gonna make general statements,
In other words, you can’t back your previous words up in detail.
Anyway, I’m talking about Western white women as from countries like the UK, America, Australia and other countries like them.
Like I said, what you don’t like is the “Anglosphere”. More on that later.
To the person who thinks I loathe myself, I love myself enough to stay away from Western women
I don’t think it’s self love: I think that’s self-doubt. Your problem is that women who live in your culture… expect to be treated as something close to an equal. You can’t handle that. You aren’t up to being their equals, so you flee to women who aren’t as able to demand that from you.
As for feminist men, what can I say? Since I think MRAs are worthless, I don’t expect you to become like them, but holy shit, it’s like you don’t have minds of you own. It’s like you desperately want female attention so your willing to abandon any sort of self being you have
Clueless. I am who I am . Who I am thinks (among other things) that women are people, as capable as I am. No one is entitled to be “above” anyone else. Ergo I am a feminist. Women are the equals of men, entitled to be treated no differently from men.
I am who I am. There are women (lots of them) who have no interest in me. I like things they don’t. I don’t care. I like to play with guns, and knives and swords. I like to cook. I wear clothes which aren’t stylish (some of which are eccentric. I like a cloak in the summer, because it keeps the rain off. I wear hats, and I like kilts, as well as clothing from the both the English Renaissance and the Regency).
Then again, I’m not looking to get laid. I have more than enough women who want to sleep with me; insofar as it more than meets my needs, almost exceeeding my desires. I don’t need to chase anymore.
By the way, deep down, the female feminists hate you, and you are deserving of it.
Why are we deserving of it? What have you got to show that feminists hate me?
It’s you demanding a negative proof (That feminists don’t, deep down hate me), which you were dismissive of before. Consistent, you aren’t.
Then again, you cite Leyks, so it’s not as if we have much reason to respect your intellect.
You know those MRA women who hate feminists? Let’s say one of them were raped, and they reported it, do you think the MRAs would gather around her and fight for her justice? No, I don’t either. Let’s say one of you male feminists were falsely accused of rape. Do you think the feminists would fight for your justice? I don’t. If you’re lucky, they may just not care, most would probably oppose you.
MRAs hate women, and feminists hate men. Bottom line. You are no better than the MRAs, you’re both cut from the same cloth.
BTW, I’m not responding to all of the posts aimed at me, it would take too long.
Bottom line. David Futrelle made the claim that foreign women find stuff like this offensive. I know foreign women who are not only not offended, but agree with me when I complain about Western women. People say they don’t exist, so I show women from other countries talking about them on The Tom Leykis Show, people say I’m citing Leykis, but I don’t, I cite his callers.
Maybe YOU people should stop generalizing about foreign women, because I know loads of foreign chicks who came to the UK to find work or to study, and they do not have good things to say about the local women in the UK.
Funny thing…there was recently an incident where Will Smith was assaulted by a reporter who got him in a headlock and forced a kiss on him, and then pushed the guy away and smacked him, and if you take a look at the blog comments it’s running about 95% feminists saying “of course he has a right to defend himself and push back if someone assaults him – no, he shouldn’t have to put up with that just because he’s a man”. Which is exactly what I would have predicted would happen, because in general feminists are in fact supportive of men who’re sexually assaulted.
You’re a strange angry little man, Mike.
MRAs are a fucking embarrassment to men everywhere. You are cowards! Shut the fuck up and stop making me look bad you ignorant assholes! Fuck off!
I don’t suppose there’s any chance that the only “foreign chicks” you listen to are the ones who happen to agree with you, is there? You know, like how the only men you advocate for are those you deem adequately manly?
Nah, couldn’t be. After all, it’s certainly not like we have any reason to suspect you of bias.
Actually Mike I think it is you who is generalising. I also know a lot of foreign women living in the UK, and they don’t have such bigoted views of UK women. As was said earlier, like attracts like so obviously the women you attract into your social circle are going to be as unpleasant as you and the women I attract will be as warm and open-minded as me.
Where do your lady friends get their perceptions anyway (and really, I think it’s very cowardly of you to hide behind ‘foreign lady friends’ – YOU think this, own your own opinions)? The wee list you posted up ahead sounds like they’ve got their perceptions of the UK from watching some tacky BINGE DRINKING BRITAIN!1! documentary, where they go onto the streets of some provincial town on a Saturday night at chucking out time and film the carnage.
I know I personally don’t fit any of the criteria on your little list of “why British women suck” and I know loads of women who don’t either. Even if I or they did, so what? Why should we care what you or some other judgmental idiot thinks? Other than being violent and aggressive, behaviour I definitely don’t approve of, I don’t really see what’s wrong with being fat, or unconventionally attractive, or liking false eyelashes. I have a friend down south who is an ex-glamour model. She likes fake tan and eyelashes and things and has had her boobs done. She’s still a lovely beautiful person though and really she’s not doing it for the benefit of the likes of you. She’s happily married and now runs her own business. Really, her world isn’t going to collapse just because you or some other ignoramus has decided she’s “worthless” based on entirely shallow criteria.
Anyway, you’ve still not answered the question of who you advocate for. Are you an advocate for Mike or an advocate for men? You claimed it. Stop all this “I’m above MRAs and feminists! I’m a special ickle snowflake!” nonsense and tell us.