One widespread belief of the manosphere crowd is that “Western women” – that is, white women in developed countries – are a bunch of stuck-up, demanding, divorce-initiating feminism-infected harridans. So the proper course of action for the almost-all-white dudes of the manosphere is to seek a woman with darker skin and a (supposedly) more pliable nature. Even better: beleaguered white dudes should move to one of the countries where these feminism-free gals live, because when you bring them to the United States they too have a tendency to become infected with evil feminism and to become as stuck-up and evil as their lighter-skinned sisters.
This belief isn’t universal amongst manospehreians by any stretch of the imagination. White nationalist manosphreians (like those who populate the blog In Mala Fide) get testy when their women are considered inferior to non-whites; others think that all women are equally evil. Still others think that moving to a whole other country is too much of a hassle. Rarely do you find a manospherian willing to state the obvious: that the “white women suck” mantra is as offensive to non-white women as it is to white women.
Over on The Spearhead, one commenter has taken the “white women suck” mantra to its logical extreme, arguing that these evil women need to be quite literally bred out of existence.
Let’s take a look at walking in hell’s argument:
If one thinks about it, the misandry and divorce problem are problems that occur in countries where the women are light-skinned–mostly Northern Hemisphere Western Contries, and where the governments are atheist or were atheist.
Problem countries are Sweden, Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, Russia, United States, France, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, etc. In short–the West. Light skinned women are by nature more dominant and controlling. If you combine that with a culture that encourages bad behavior, you as a man are doomed.
So far, this is standard-issue western-women-suck-ism. But then Hell starts talking about genes.
So the misandry problem is problem of genetics and culture. We can see the genetic differences in the United States. Asian Women divorce their husbands at a much lower rate then the other racial groups. The exception in America is the American Black Women (But isn’t she exceptional, after all)? I mean native African Women have very little resemblance to American Black Women).
Ironically, it’s fairly typical for the white-women-suck crowd to hate black women even more; in this case the only non-typical thing about Hell’s screed is that he’s willing to cut African women some slack.
Now Hell sets forth his basic thesis:
My point is this: I maintain the best wife for a white man is someone darker skinned then he is. I maintain that the best culture for the white man and his wife is a man-friendly culture. For example, a white man and Mexican woman living in Mexico; a white man and Thai Woman living in Thailand; a white man and a Morracan Woman, living in Morraco; a white man and Turkish Woman, living in Turkey. This strategy neutralizes the light-skinned genes, and at the same time neutralizes the cultural influences.
Note: If you plan to move to Morocco to escape the tyranny of white women, you should probably learn to spell the name of the country correctly first.
Naturally, Hell can’t bring himself to suggest that white men should marry black women. And he thinks that even black men should give African-American women a pass:
For a black man, possibly the best plan is to emigrate to Africa in order to have a family. I had a friend who did this. Most African divorce laws keep the man firmly in charge with sole custody automatically going to the man.
While some Western-women-hating manospherians have something of a fetish for Eastern European women, Hell warns his fellow men to avoid these sneaky deceitful harridans as well:
Whatever you do, never bring an Eastern European, Russian, or Ukrainian Girl to the Unites States.
But it isn’t only the Eastern European women who are spoiled by the evil feminism of the west.
In fact don’t bring any woman to the United States. Remember: even the healthiest fish becomes sick when the lake is poisoned. Some fish will become sicker than others depending on their genetic makeup. For example, that nice girl you brought over from Asia might not divorce you when she comes to the USA, but she is likely to become a much different (difficult and unpredictable) person.
So who is the best man for the white woman living in the West? Quite simply, no man; or another woman. Very few men in the West will be able to satify Western White Women.
And this, naturally, leads to what what we might call Hell’s Final Solution to the problem:
These women need to be bred out of existence.
We as men can speed the extinction of Western White Women by encouraging them to pursue the single life or to pursue another woman as a spouse (lesbianism). We can do this actively and passively. Actively by outright encouragement, and passively by never giving a Western Woman access to our sperm, money, or time.
Despite its, er, problematic content, Hell’s comment managed to draw 21 upvotes from fellow Spearheaders, more than twice the number of downvotes it received.
I eagerly await A Voice for Men’s campaign to uncover and expose the identities of Hell and his upvoters – as well as against The Spearhead itself for providing a safe harbor for such thinking. I mean, AVfM literally offered a $1000 award for the personal information of a feminist who made similarly troubling remarks about men, and a separate $1000 reward for the identities of those involved in a theatrical production about a feminist who wrote a famous manifesto about the evils of men. Surely the A Voice for Men crowd will be equally offended by these remarks from their comrades on The Spearhead.
Here on Man Boobz we content ourselves with highlighting bad ideas, not harassing or threatening or exposing the personal information of those who promulgate them. The “war of ideas” isn’t an actual war. The bad ideas we highlight here are as silly as they are reprehensible; they will ultimately vanish from the world on their own — though hopefully our mockery of them will help to speed that process a little bit.
EDITED TO ADD: Thanks to scarlettpipistrelle for pointing me to this lovely comment.
Yeah Shadow, its more a matter of white culture and different values. Especially how entitled to all kinds of shit white people generally feel.
well, yeah, how could made up people be ignorant? they’re whatever you want them to be.
@jumbofish
Fair enough. At the end of the day, whether or not his anecdote is true, his point remains invalid.
@pillowinhell
IME white people are not especially entitled. It’s just that, post-colonialism, the disproportionate power they have means that they have a disproportionate ability to take what they feel entitled to.
Cloud: I am not using Leykis as proof, I am using his female callers as proof. People are saying these women do not exist, yet they are calling in.
Jumbo: Do not worry, I do not advocate for pussified male feminists.
Pillow: I do not need to ask what non Western men think of us, I already know, they think badly of us, and I can’t blame them.
LoL okay, if you count “pussified males” as males who don’t hate women you are gonna be defending a very small amount of people. I also love that defending men=defending men who I like because I am pretty sure thats not how social justice works hun.
I mean if you view of social justice is I want to fight for the rights of all men but only ones that I like then you have a pretty immature idea of what social justice is all about. Its not about if you like someone or even if you disagree with them its about fighting for their rights regardless because its the right thing to do. Like I don’t care for Sara Palin, or anti choice women but I still want them all to gain the same rights in the end.
Not even going to mention your own misandry of judging men by how “masculine” they are. XD
Which makes your choice of words “I consider myself an advocate for men though.” a lot more honest than I first credited
Mike, you are using the Leykis show as proof, which is all the proof I need that you’re an idiot. However, you have generously supplied even more proof in your comments, so … thanks?
Mikey: Cloud: I am not using Leykis as proof, I am using his female callers as proof. People are saying these women do not exist, yet they are calling in.
Pilpulistic hairsplitting, and wrong. No one said no such women existed. We said they weren’t significant (we also said we didn’t believe your version of events)
1: You are citing Leykis.
2: You have no proof those are real people, not paid actors?
3: Even if they are real people, Leykis has people screening the calls, so the actual statistical value of those people is questionable.
Wow, it’s been a while since someone dredged up Leykis. I thought he was pretty irrelevant nowadays.
“I do not need to ask what non Western men think of us, I already know, they think badly of us, and I can’t blame them.”
Why do I have the sneaking feeling that this comment is all about how out of hand white women are? As opposed to say, problems that white men themselves are creating?
There’s one ridiculous person willing to espouse anything. That doesn’t mean that billions of people believe the same thing.
As an illustration: I, an American, am a democratic socialist atheist who is libertarian on social issues. Therefore all Americans are democratic socialist atheists who are libertarian on social issues.
Ozy: This is not true. I am a democratic socialistic non-atheist who is very libertatarian on social issues; therefore you do not exist.
XD
Pedantry time (I have a thing for statistics, what can I say?)
– They are fake looking, — subjective, fake looking does not equal fake parts
with their fake blonde hair, — real blonde do exist
fake eye lashes, — are generally for costume only
fake nails — much like the two above, no way there’s statistics on this
and fake boobs. — that one will have statistics!
“Based upon the data collected, 8.08 per 1,000 women in the United States reported ever having had some type of breast implant. Approximately 60% of the procedures had been done for cosmetic reasons.” (Source) — so 40% of implants are not cosmetic, eg reconstructive surgery after a mastectomy. And even including those, less than 1% of women in the US have them. So wait, how many are fake looking?
– They barely wear anything despite the weather being so cold in the UK. — I grew up in New England and will happily report that that is a crock of shit, though I’m never been to the UK, so I can’t comment
– They are loud, aggressive, and often violent. — compared to whom? your imaginary friends? statistics, we need them if you have them (which you don’t)
– They are fat and ugly. — we’ll there’s some objective criteria! ugly is entirely subjective, and if you’re about to call BMI an objective measure of fat, I’ll be happy to disprove that one (body builders are often obese by that criteria)
“Therefore all Americans are democratic socialist atheists who are libertarian on social issues.”
I’d be happier if that were remotely true, we can debate which things to what degrees once we at least get socialized medicine?
Lady Zombie, not sure why the spam filter (which I don’t check as often as the moderation filter) grabbed that comment of yours, but it’s up now, on the previous page.
Pecunium, I am not citing Leykis, I am citing his callers. I can not prove his callers are not actors, but you can not prove a negative, and the burden of proof is on you if you are making the claim. Yes, he has a screener, but people are claiming these types of women do not exist, but here they are, and whether or not people believe me, I know foreign women who share my observations.
Now, for the record, I do not think 100% of white women are worthless, but trying to find a good one is not worth the effort when I can just go in to my local city and find loads of attractive immigrants. I do not have these opinions because of MRAs and such, because I think they are as worthless as you feminists, it hit me when I first travelled to Spain back in ’08. All I had ever known were white women, yet when I was in Spain, I found the quality to be far higher.. I swore I would never date the majority of Western women again..
Like I have already hinted, my opinion of Western men isn’t much higher, if at all. You get the people you deserve, and Western men deserve the the fat, ugly and often violent Western women, especially the pussified “male” feminists, who quite frankly, probably sit down to pee on demand.
It’s soooo nice of you!
The MISANDRY!!!1!!!eleven!!
But I thought you were an advocate for men, Mike. Are you now saying you don’t like the majority of Western men either? Well, who do you advocate for? You’re increasingly looking like an advocate for Mike, rather than an advocate for men.
As jumbofish said above, you can’t really call yourself a social justice advocate if you’re only willing to advocate for the type of people you like and to hell with all the others.
Ah yes…the Real Man(tm) chest thumping. We’re all very impressed, well, not really.
You just keep thumping that chest mike! I’m sure your Real Woman in Spain will hear it any second and be driven to swim the ocean to reach you!!
And again with this strange divergence between being White and being Caucasian…
Oh wait! Its because they don’t speak English right? Harder for that Real Woman to backtalk you then!
Oh, and Mike? If I went around saying making offensive sweeping generalisations about a group of people and then turned around and said “But I don’t thnk 100% of them are worthless! It’s OK, guys!” I’d still be a horrendous bigot. Just a wee fyi…
Mike: You are citing Leyks. You are using his program as an example of the people whom you claim speak to you, regularly, of how awful “white women” are. We are supposed to accept, as a result, the claims you made elsewhere.
That’s a citaton.
No, I am not claiming (go back and reread my statment) that all of his callers are fake. I’m not even really saying any are. I am saying the nature of his show (i.e. a means of entertaining a specific audience, so that he can make a living), and the means which you admit he uses to do that, make it a suspect citation.
All I had ever known were white women, yet when I was in Spain, I found the quality to be far higher.. I swore I would never date the majority of Western women again..
Spanish women aren’t, “white”? They aren’t Western?
I begin to think you don’t mean “Western White Women”, but rather, “Women in the Angloshpere”.
As to your claim of not being an MRA, the jury is out, but you are certainly a misogynist, Now, for the record, I do not think 100% of white women are worthless, but trying to find a good one is not worth the effort when I can just go in to my local city and find loads of attractive immigrants. I do not have these opinions because of MRAs and such, because I think they are as worthless as you feminists,
In what way worthless? What is it about, “feminists”, which makes them as bad as MRAs, and “White Women?”
Like I have already hinted, my opinion of Western men isn’t much higher, if at all.
Where you from Boyo? You seem to be a bit of either a Self-loather (since the internal evidence says you are a Western man), or a special snowflake. I’d wager it’s some of both.
What makes men, “pussified”? That they treat women as people? That’s usually the reason. And some men have the audacity to expect that you do the same. The horror. And White Western Women actually expect you to do it too. The rank injustice.
o.O If that resolution is taking you out to Spain you might want to brush up on your geography first