One widespread belief of the manosphere crowd is that “Western women” – that is, white women in developed countries – are a bunch of stuck-up, demanding, divorce-initiating feminism-infected harridans. So the proper course of action for the almost-all-white dudes of the manosphere is to seek a woman with darker skin and a (supposedly) more pliable nature. Even better: beleaguered white dudes should move to one of the countries where these feminism-free gals live, because when you bring them to the United States they too have a tendency to become infected with evil feminism and to become as stuck-up and evil as their lighter-skinned sisters.
This belief isn’t universal amongst manospehreians by any stretch of the imagination. White nationalist manosphreians (like those who populate the blog In Mala Fide) get testy when their women are considered inferior to non-whites; others think that all women are equally evil. Still others think that moving to a whole other country is too much of a hassle. Rarely do you find a manospherian willing to state the obvious: that the “white women suck” mantra is as offensive to non-white women as it is to white women.
Over on The Spearhead, one commenter has taken the “white women suck” mantra to its logical extreme, arguing that these evil women need to be quite literally bred out of existence.
Let’s take a look at walking in hell’s argument:
If one thinks about it, the misandry and divorce problem are problems that occur in countries where the women are light-skinned–mostly Northern Hemisphere Western Contries, and where the governments are atheist or were atheist.
Problem countries are Sweden, Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, Russia, United States, France, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, etc. In short–the West. Light skinned women are by nature more dominant and controlling. If you combine that with a culture that encourages bad behavior, you as a man are doomed.
So far, this is standard-issue western-women-suck-ism. But then Hell starts talking about genes.
So the misandry problem is problem of genetics and culture. We can see the genetic differences in the United States. Asian Women divorce their husbands at a much lower rate then the other racial groups. The exception in America is the American Black Women (But isn’t she exceptional, after all)? I mean native African Women have very little resemblance to American Black Women).
Ironically, it’s fairly typical for the white-women-suck crowd to hate black women even more; in this case the only non-typical thing about Hell’s screed is that he’s willing to cut African women some slack.
Now Hell sets forth his basic thesis:
My point is this: I maintain the best wife for a white man is someone darker skinned then he is. I maintain that the best culture for the white man and his wife is a man-friendly culture. For example, a white man and Mexican woman living in Mexico; a white man and Thai Woman living in Thailand; a white man and a Morracan Woman, living in Morraco; a white man and Turkish Woman, living in Turkey. This strategy neutralizes the light-skinned genes, and at the same time neutralizes the cultural influences.
Note: If you plan to move to Morocco to escape the tyranny of white women, you should probably learn to spell the name of the country correctly first.
Naturally, Hell can’t bring himself to suggest that white men should marry black women. And he thinks that even black men should give African-American women a pass:
For a black man, possibly the best plan is to emigrate to Africa in order to have a family. I had a friend who did this. Most African divorce laws keep the man firmly in charge with sole custody automatically going to the man.
While some Western-women-hating manospherians have something of a fetish for Eastern European women, Hell warns his fellow men to avoid these sneaky deceitful harridans as well:
Whatever you do, never bring an Eastern European, Russian, or Ukrainian Girl to the Unites States.
But it isn’t only the Eastern European women who are spoiled by the evil feminism of the west.
In fact don’t bring any woman to the United States. Remember: even the healthiest fish becomes sick when the lake is poisoned. Some fish will become sicker than others depending on their genetic makeup. For example, that nice girl you brought over from Asia might not divorce you when she comes to the USA, but she is likely to become a much different (difficult and unpredictable) person.
So who is the best man for the white woman living in the West? Quite simply, no man; or another woman. Very few men in the West will be able to satify Western White Women.
And this, naturally, leads to what what we might call Hell’s Final Solution to the problem:
These women need to be bred out of existence.
We as men can speed the extinction of Western White Women by encouraging them to pursue the single life or to pursue another woman as a spouse (lesbianism). We can do this actively and passively. Actively by outright encouragement, and passively by never giving a Western Woman access to our sperm, money, or time.
Despite its, er, problematic content, Hell’s comment managed to draw 21 upvotes from fellow Spearheaders, more than twice the number of downvotes it received.
I eagerly await A Voice for Men’s campaign to uncover and expose the identities of Hell and his upvoters – as well as against The Spearhead itself for providing a safe harbor for such thinking. I mean, AVfM literally offered a $1000 award for the personal information of a feminist who made similarly troubling remarks about men, and a separate $1000 reward for the identities of those involved in a theatrical production about a feminist who wrote a famous manifesto about the evils of men. Surely the A Voice for Men crowd will be equally offended by these remarks from their comrades on The Spearhead.
Here on Man Boobz we content ourselves with highlighting bad ideas, not harassing or threatening or exposing the personal information of those who promulgate them. The “war of ideas” isn’t an actual war. The bad ideas we highlight here are as silly as they are reprehensible; they will ultimately vanish from the world on their own — though hopefully our mockery of them will help to speed that process a little bit.
EDITED TO ADD: Thanks to scarlettpipistrelle for pointing me to this lovely comment.
She’s adorable. Just… crazy. Having talked to other mau owners, it seems kinda common.
Hey, let’s see if i can make this work!
Kami in the window
And what is really hilarious (read: maddening) about Mellertoad is that he thinks because he does not use words like fuck, shit, hell, asshole and others, he’s being NICE. Polite.
It’s the “unaware that profanity does not in fact equate with vileness” attitude of so many privileged people.
Kami is purty.
Aw, Kami is adorable.
She is gorgeous. The better to trap you! She has a lovely, soft, fuzzy, adorably spotted belly that is the most wonderful thing in the world to pet, but it’s a trap! She will grab your forearm and begin gnawing on it.
KathleenB — your link works, and she’s a pretty kitty. I’ve yet to meet a not crazy cat, some are just crazy in ways not involving their claws (that Maine Coon would pet himself with your knees, in the dark, atop the stairs, luckily I never tripped over him, but it was just luck)
“It’s the “unaware that profanity does not in fact equate with vileness” attitude of so many privileged people.” — yeah, the privileged may do this accidentally, abusers do it on purpose (some of them anyways) — knowing that if you reply to a string of insults with “go fuck off” they just “won” — see last night’s “no food for a few days is more dangerous than death” troll, and how pissy he got that we weren’t being nice
(yes, that is still bothering me)
Heh. I regularly tell Meller to fuck off – that might be why he detests me so much.
i actually tried to get a current picture of Kami, but she refused. And then gave me the Glare of Death when I booped her nose.
It’s is interesting how closely the rhetoric of some of our MRA trolls tends to mimic abusive patterns of behavior.
*It is*
Dracula — and that’s when they aren’t flat out espousing on how not being allowed to abuse is MISANDRY!!! At least one of them has said he should be allowed to hit his children for example.
Fuck, is that why NWO watches so much Disney, he has children? I hope not, for the sake of his (hypothetical) children.
KathleenB — oh the Glare of Death, I’d say that was my mother’s cat’s only expression, but that’s just me apparently, she’s nice to everyone else (I did give her reason to hate me at one point, brought a puppy into HER HOUSE, but that was over a year ago now!)
NWO doesn’t have children, he just thinks they should be beaten.
I can only assume he watches the Disney Channel for the teenage girls.
“NWO doesn’t have children, he just thinks they should be beaten.” — oh, good, that was a bit of a scary thought
“I can only assume he watches the Disney Channel for the teenage girls.” — less good, but I guess it’s better than leering at a swimming pool or something
Well, there was his famous remark about eight year olds at the beach “shaking it like pros” or somesuch. He’s an icky man.
*shudder* “He’s an icky man.” yes, yes he is
And to the MRAs reading along — no, not all men are icky, every last man I’m related to would agree here (even my father probably, once *8 years old* was mentioned, he doesn’t start acting pervy til they hit more like the MRA golden age of 14)
*shudder* the Big Name Trolls around here really are the worst of the worst though I hope, that would actually give me a slight glimmer of hope for humanity — they’re vile, but badly outnumbered.
having children would require getting within five feet of a woman without screaming at her, something i still don’t believe owlslave is capable of
A person deciding to swear off romantic/sexual partners altogether to settle for a blow up doll is speaking much louder about that person than it is about everyone else they encounter (obv this is not referring to asexuals or people with sexual attraction to objects or anything like that). It tells me that this person is completely incapable of understanding, compromise, and empathy, and that all they want is a fuck hole, not a living, breathing person. Dealing with a person would mean not being able to control the situation and that is just not possible. Forgive me if it doesn’t offend or upset me that a person like that has removed themself from the dating pool.
“It tells me that this person is completely incapable of understanding, compromise, and empathy, and that all they want is a fuck hole, not a living, breathing person.” — well yes, but if they admit that and buy a blow up doll they’re still a step above the MRM, as MRAs think “needing to resort to” a blow up doll *does* say something about everyone else…
Sharculese — um…you’re right when it comes to children that he’d know about. I’m seeing a giant gaping “rapists don’t care” hole there though. My squick radar is on high alert after last night’s troll though. In NWOs case, I’d assume you’re 100% correct. Asshole men in general though? There is that percent that will be happy to scream at you while taking what they want (sex, via rape).
*grumble* I’m not sure I’m making sense, between trolls and insurance paperwork my brain is kind of jello
“my brain is kind of jello”…enough that I ended 3 sentences nearly in a row with “though” >.<
And yet another elitist, racist and sexist venting by Mr. Futrelle. You are becoming a a figure of ridicule on the web.
…please explain how mocking racism and sexism is “elitist, racist and sexist”…or do you have the red text (quotes) mixed up with the post?
So it’s as offensive to darker women as it is to white women? Oh really? How about the fact that the foreign women I talk to about white English women agree with me, and even give me their reasons as to why they think they are shitty.
i dunno, how about that pretend fact?
Reasons given to me by foreign women as to why they have such low opinions of white English women are:
– They are fake looking, with their fake blonde hair, fake eye lashes, fake nails and fake boobs.
– They barely wear anything despite the weather being so cold in the UK.
– They are loud, aggressive, and often violent.
– They are fat and ugly.
Don’t try and tell me it’s just us white menz who hate them, women from other countries hate Westernized white women too.