Over on A Voice for Men, our dear friend Paul Elam has come up with an interesting new way to celebrate Mother’s Day – with what is essentially the longest, least funny, and most rage-filled “Yo Mama” joke ever. (Indeed, it’s so rage-filled I should probably put a Trigger Warning right about here.)
Elam starts off by addressing the mothers of the world, suggesting he’s got a “a socially conscious twist” on the traditional Mother’s Day celebrations. Mothers, he argues, should gather together the flowers they’ve been given by their loved ones and:
Place a bunch of daffodils at a dumpster near you, perhaps one in which one of you, or one of your kind, has tossed an unwanted baby, leaving it there to slowly die alone in a pile of trash.
Perhaps you could lay a single rose at the base of a bridge that has been used by a mother to throw her baby into an icy river. Perhaps you can lay it there with hands that have beaten or shaken a baby to death.
You probably didn’t see that coming, did you? He goes on.
Now perhaps some of you could place large, colorful arrangements at the abortion centers where women go to have children cut out and laid to rest in those colorful and attractive biohazard containers that are all the rage in the clinics. …
Maybe you can lay virtual flowers at your computers to honor all the children that you and your sisters have pimped out to pedophiles, or perhaps the blossoms could be placed in your child’s room, which also doubles as your preferred place to abuse your own.
Oh, but you say you haven’t done any of these things, and that abortion isn’t actually the same as infanticide? No matter. Elam has an answer for that:
This is not a request for some mothers, or a percentage of them, but all of you. In fact, you don’t even have to be a mother. If you have a vagina, the blood of all those children, who are abused far more at the hands of women than men, has stained your skin and caked around the cuticles of your fingers.
If you are a mother, particularly one of the many abusers, or just one that has remained silent as your sisters have beaten, choked, stabbed, burned, drowned, abused, neglected, dumped, tortured and otherwise done the unspeakable to the most defenseless among us, then I hope to see those flowers in your murderous hands, paying homage to those that have been unfortunate enough to be placed in your path. …
In Daffodils for Dumpsters the gash gets you in, and you don’t really have a choice.
You see, Elam has decided that we live in an era of “collective guilt,” and that the evil (straw) feminists who go around blaming all men for the actions of a few – through such dastardly things like rape awareness seminars – deserve to find themselves collectively blamed as well.
Except that Elam’s post goes well beyond an ill-conceived and ill-intentioned attempt at “turnabout is fair play.” This isn’t a piece of Swiftian satire. He actually believes all this hateful nonsense, and says as much:
Now, do I really mean all this? Yes. It is not that women deserve to be collectively regarded as child abusers and killers. Most aren’t. Most are actually very good to their children and can even be trusted with the children of others. But that truth is not what is important here.
What is important is the children, or the principle, or whatever other bullshit we make up to convince ourselves it is not about demonizing women when that is exactly what we are doing.
I have to confess I have no idea what he’s trying to say in the second paragraph here. Did he mean to say “men” instead of “women?” If so, this is an interesting little slip.
He continues:
The fact is that mothers are more dangerous than fathers where it concerns children. They always have been. It is only a few percentage points in that direction, but of course in a White Ribbon way, it is more than enough to justify pointing a finger at your entire sex and feeling superior as we watch you atone for the unspeakable acts of a minority.
So, suck it up ladies. If you knew about White Ribbon and said nothing to object to it; if in general you have remained silent or actively participated as the image of the male half of the population has been reduced to that of a depraved threat, the step up and get your flowers. You deserve every last petal, stem and thorn.
I imagine Elam chuckling a bit as he typed that final word.
And a happy Mother’s Day to you, too!
Oh, and if you found yourself wondering about that “White Ribbon” thing, Elam is evidently (as best I can figure it) referring either to the women who, during World War I, handed out white ribbons to men who didn’t enlist in the army. Or he’s referring to this contemporary campaign to fight violence against women. But I don’t live inside Elam’s head, so I’m not sure what he meant, or why he seems to think that all women would know about either campaign, much less have any responsibility for them.
NOTE: Elam is also celebrating Mother’s Day by suggesting I had something to do with creating Reddit’s appalling “beatingwomen” subreddit as part of a nefarious plot to make the Men’s Rights movement look even worse than it manages to do on its own.
You may notice that Elam presents no actual evidence to back up his claims. There is no such evidence, because Elam’s accusations are utterly and completely untrue.
I have nothing whatsoever to do with r/beatingwomen. Nothing. I don’t know anything about who created it, or what their aim was beyond laughing at pictures and videos of violence against women. As I’ve said before, it’s a vile place. I think Reddit should shut it down.
@Yoyo, agoraphobia wouldn’t keep them off the internet unfortunately. Though it may explain how they don’t realize that most people interact in business and daily transactions without giving a thought to gender.
So, for Fathers’ Day, is he going to talk about all the men who have murdered children?
If the name of the subreddit was “r/Beatingstupidbitcheswhototallyhaditcoming”, Elam would be a huge fan, I bet.
What a sad human being 🙁
And… Antz weighs in on AVfM’s manboobz post:
Hi, you shitty worms.
/sarcasm
Feminists hate women now? Or have we gotten a Freudian slip from Antz.
Antz is beyond delusional. But then again, so is Elam.
I can’t imagine what it’s like to live inside their brains.
Voip, I think he’s saying that evil feminists really do hate women, in a secret sadistic way. Or at least, that I do.
I can’t imagine what it’s like to live inside their brains.
I imagine its exactly as Antz said in what I quoted above: they hate women and only really feels “alive” when describing, in florid detail, violence against us.
Argenti, I do realise that agoraphobia wouldn’t keep these creeps off the net but I am hesitant to stop idiots speaking, what I do want to ensure is that they can’t take their poison into the physical realm.
How many times do we hear of women trying to get protection orders and failing only to be mUrdered or have their children murdered by these hideous men who believe they own their “families”?
And then you also pretended to post as a Redditor named AnnaChrist, get elected to a moderator position and posted on your own misogynistic subreddit to make the MRM look worse! The rabbit hole runs deep!
I imagine its exactly as Antz said in what I quoted above: they hate women and only really feels “alive” when describing, in florid detail, violence against us.
And it baffles him that most people get along just fine with our fellow human beings, so obviously we must secretly feel the same way.
I refuse to feel bad for the crimes of others. A man stabbed a random woman he didn’t even know to death in broad daylight last week because he wanted to “get back at all the women” who had wronged him. I don’t blame all men for his actions- he was only two weeks out of prison and from his past criminal record it is quite possible that he is criminally insane.
I don’t blame all people for the criminal behavior of a few. And the simple fact that this man seems to think that all men and all women are the same, this basically tells me that he has no ability to think logically.
Seriously, I have to wonder what is wrong with their ability to think about things in reality when they say things like this. *headdesk*
“1) Because it is immoral or unfair to fight the men’s rights movement by making a feminist-run website? Nope. Feminists have no moral compass and would not know what “fair” meant if it was stapled to their noses.”
“have no moral compass” where have I heard that before? Oh, right, atheists have no morals because morals require a god to punish you for violating them. How is it “unfair” to fight a movement that solely exists to fight another movement by using the movement under attack though? They really suck at formal logic sometimes. (And have clearly not spent enough time on feminist sites to have seen a “don’t make this about the menz” comment get a reply of “but some children are boys, and they’ll become men, so this is about men’s rights”)
“3) Because they are realizing with horror that their little art project is attracting REAL PSYCHOPATHS, VIOLENT CRIMINALS, AND OTHER GUTTER RATS WITH HEADS FULL OF CRAZY? Bingo!”
Congrats AntZ, you’re now competing with NWO for ALL THE PROJECTION!
@Yoyo, I’d prefer the murderous types get themselves to therapy or anger management or something. Trolling only makes them angrier I’d think. You’re certainly right about how worthless a protection order is, I’m just not sure they’re related issues.
Yes, this is very true as well.
@Ponkz, I don’t have the most uncomplicated relationship with my mother either, and she was abusive to me as a child, But when mras spout this nonsense, they aren’t just attacking the minority of mothers who are abusers, they are attacking mothers like my sister as well, who is a loving mother of three wonderful little children and who was the closest thing I had to a decent parent as a child.
I’m disappointed to see them resorting to false accusations. I thought they didn’t like those? All over a game of trolls.
Really Paul Lame, doxxing people again? What upstanding behavior from a non-hate-group.
Damn, Zarat just swallows whatever shit they shovel into him, doesn’t he?
*drinks a shotglass of Kool-Aid*
And then Futrelle also created a persona named W.F Price and got a bunch of his feminist buddies to craft tons of uniquely disturbing personalities to fill up an entire MRA forum called The Spearhead,then made it appear as if all those individuals were communicating with each other. He even tricked Paul Elam into thinking that one of his fake Spearhead people named Keyster, was real, and then proceeded to work for Elam for over two years under this fake guise to sell the bit.
Then it turned out Paul Elam himself was a feminist who had been brainwashed by the NWO into becoming an MRA to make the MRM look bad…
It all makes sense now.
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“Your woman-hating heart comes alive at last, and for a few moments you live as you really are — a sociopath who does not have the courage or conviction to live your own fantasies.” — ALL THE PROJECTION
Dracula, he’s definitely got a serious block in his critical thinking skills, but his hatred is far too vile for that to be his only problem.
I think Elam got trolled, and believed the trolls because 1) he’s a gullible deluded idiot who lives in an ideological bubble surrounded by sycophants and 2) he’s been itching to have an excuse to go after me.
it’s totally ridiculous, I mean, Antz clearly recognizes that r/beatingwomen is horrible and full of horrible people and possibly inciting said horrible people to actually commit violent acts. but it’s only horrible insofar as it’s… run by David? none of these people gave a shit when r/beatingwomen was just there, existing as something outside of a feminist conspiracy. the irony is of course that it’s “their” site, as people have pointed out, r/mr mod AnnArchist hangs out there & posters go back and forth between the two. so their own shit is all of a sudden reprehensible if David’s involved but the same reprehensible stuff is apparently not worth mentioning otherwise. they have no consistency or intellectual honesty whatsoever. it’s all about what they can use to attack feminists and women.
Yeah, I realize gullibility is nothing close to being the full extent of Zarat’s problems.
It just amazes me how far he’ll go to convince himself he’s not in the company of heinous assholes.
I also love the hypocrisy- these men don’t want us to get abortions because it KILLZ TEH BAYBEEZ but they ALSO don’t want us to get pregnant and DARE to ask them for any temporal or monetary support.
So basically, as far as I can tell, they just want to impregnate us with impunity, have us sit down, shut up and raise their offspring at no cost to them whatsoever, and then blame us for having a shitty overworked life and propose to cut more social programs that actually help us?
Fuck that shit, right there.
But what about the Nazis in the hollow earth?
Where do the MRAs keep pulling that mothers abuse their children more than fathers stat?