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Things Redditors actually think: “If you can read this, and we’re alone, I can be legally convicted of rape.”

This was posted to the Men’s Rights subreddit the other day, with the headline: “Saw this today and I suppose that’s where we’re headed.” It’s gotten 556 upvotes, last I checked. (Those are net upvotes: it got 848 upvotes, 292 downvotes.) This is the world that a lot of MRAs, and Redditors in general, think they live in.

A handful of Redditors, like this one, objected to the hysteria:

Notice the downvotes.

Amazingly, one of the few voices of reason to emerge in the whole discussion (besides that downvoted commenter and serveral others) turned out to be none other than Pierce Harlan of the False Rape Society (now called Community of the Wrongly Accused). While not averse to spreading misinformation about rape and false rape accusations himself, he argued in a comment (and in a similarly worded blog post) that this kind of raving hysteria wasn’t helpful, concluding:

The delicate balance that commands us to punish rapists while not punishing the innocent is extremely serious business. We need more sober, more adult, more serious voices to be part of the public discourse. The last thing we need is more Chicken Little hysteria, no matter which side it’s coming from.

I’m guessing the upvotes he got for his comment must have come from visitors from his blog, because up until he posted that comment the few dissenters were mostly being dismissed.

The Men’s Rights subreddit: Waxing hysterical about imaginary oppressions since March 2008.

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Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

Well, I’ll give ’em this: If I saw anyone wearing this shirt I would back right the fuck up.

Preferably all the way out of the room without making eye contact.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

I might be a bit dumb, but I don’t understand the t-shirt’s message. Why does it say “if you can read this”?

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

MRAs won’t be happy until they’ve conclusively proven that rape never occurs.

Then legalized it.

ManiacalNewWorld
ManiacalNewWorld
9 years ago

This seems more like a pua pick up line.

ManiacalNewWorld
ManiacalNewWorld
9 years ago

@Kyrie,It means you should stand further away, so far that you can’t read their shirt. Women with good eyesight, beware!

Cliff Pervocracy
9 years ago

We should really get the “rape never actually happens” and the “rape happens because women are so slutty, like open wallets in a dark alley” misogynists together.

…Although it seems like there are already a lot of people who somehow hold both beliefs.

Sharculese
Sharculese
9 years ago

We need more sober, more adult, more serious voices to be part of the public discourse. The last thing we need is more Chicken Little hysteria, no matter which side it’s coming from.

sweet, so frs is shutting down, then?

Kyn
Kyn
9 years ago

wait but

men can read your shirt too

help

Magical Laura (@_magical_laura)

There’s only one way to deal with people wearing obnoxious shirts like this, and that’s a pint of beer down the front.

His beer, not mine 🙂

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
9 years ago

Well, that shirt does do one thing: it guarantees I will never be alone with the person wearing it.

Not because they can be convicted of rape if I read their shirt (which is ridiculous), but because I don’t want to give them the opportunity to do anything to me that *would* get them convicted of rape. Like, y’know, rape.

I assume MRAs would be grateful I was getting the fuck out of there. Seeing as they’re so worried about being convicted of rape merely for being in another person’s presence.

(I’m not getting the “if you can read this” language either. So can the shirt’s wearer *not* be convicted of rape if I can’t read English? How does that work?)

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

But Maniacal, why? It doesn’t matter how close they are, since they’re alone! Why would it be easier to lie if they’re close? They’re alone, nobody but them will know how close they were.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
9 years ago

…Just noticed my previous comment is very “one sentence per paragraph,” and it looks weird and sort of prose poem-y. Not my intent. 😛

ManiacalNewWorld
ManiacalNewWorld
9 years ago

Oh I don’t actually understand where they are coming from. Its definitely a fail in the logic department. It sounds more like one of those back handed “compliments” puas dish out. They truly believe that men are convicted of rape based on being alone with a woman when in reality most rape victims are dragged through the coals before they prove their case. And many drop the cases to avoid this happening.

I feel bad for any survivors of rape that run accross this shirt.

ManiacalNewWorld
ManiacalNewWorld
9 years ago

across*

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 years ago

Considering how hard it is to be legally convicted of rape when you actually rape people, you’re probably cool, asshole in an asshole shirt.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

In a way, T-shirts like this do a public service. When assholes wear these shirts, they’re letting everyone around them know they’re assholes. They don’t even have to open their mouth. The shirt says it all.

CommonNonsense
CommonNonsense
9 years ago

What if a woman wears it?

I’m just saying, I like irony and I have a closet full of men’s shirts already.

felixBC
felixBC
9 years ago

Isn’t the “if you can read this” just a really lame takeoff on the bumpersticker “If you can read this, thank a teacher”? And I guess the one before that said “if you can read this, you’re too close”, to warn tailgaters.

I saw a guy a while ago in my local grocery store wearing a black t-shirt that read “Dead women don’t say no.” He creeped me out royally, and pissed me off. I even went up to him and said “You need to know that your t-shirt is incredibly offensive.” He mumbled “whatever”. People afterwards said I should have asked him “why are you wearing that?”, to, you know, start a dialogue. Bleh.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
9 years ago

Kyrie, there’s some old jokes that start with “If you can read this”. There’s a mug that says “F u cn rd the u cn hv my jb” for secretaries, which is speed-writing for “If you can read this, you can have my job.”

There’s a t-shirt that says (upside-down) “If you can read this, you’re sitting on my face.”

If you can read this, the power is back on. If you can read this, you’re not dead yet. It’s a meme, but without the internet.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
9 years ago

I should be 500 kinds of triggered right now, but all I can think is that I hope these people who have had NO experience with rape NEVER do, because they are piss poor equipped to handle it.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

So it’s like a joke, (because it has some of the same words as an actual joke) but in this case it doesn’t make sense, it’s not funny, and for bonus it’s offensive. Got it.
Thanks for the bit of culture, though.

Cyberbird
Cyberbird
9 years ago

I believe the origin is bumper stickers reading ‘if you can read this you’re driving too close’.

Fembot
Fembot
9 years ago

Very well said, GingerSnaps.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
9 years ago

Also: No one they know should ever get raped, ever. (Obviously *no one* should ever get raped, ever, but some people are criminals and I’d rather be surrounded by supportive friends and family than these guys.)

cloudiah
9 years ago

reddit/mr is A W E S O M E. 🙁

OT/derail, but AVfm has jumped the gun on Mother’s Day with TWO posts honoring vilifying mothers. But there are also two hilarious comments on an earlier post about Utah’s adoption laws & policies.
Someone named Arvy says,

Unaccountability is, in fact, the predominant female defence. See, for
example, this news story: “Woman Can’t Recall Hitting A Moose” at http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2012/05/11/nl-moose-memories-511.html
She’ll get away with it too, but let any man try the same bewildered innocence story.

If you check out the story, you find that a woman suffered significant injuries when her car hit a moose, and now has some kind of post-traumatic amnesia. That’s not funny, obviously, but Arvy using THIS as an example of a woman “getting away with it” is hilarious. What exactly did she get away with? “My car is destroyed, I have head injuries, two bones in my neck are fractured, and I’VE STOLEN YOUR SPERM AND I AM FINALLY GOING TO GET THE BABY I DESERVE!” Or whatever.

Even funnier is this quote from Dr. F:

Utah it seems, is waiting for its rabbits on rails to come home in numbers so vast they dark the sky in swarms.

Flying rabbits? On rails? Swarming in the sky? Weirdest apocalypse ever.
Then he goes on to say some other shit, but it’s not funny so I’m not quoting it.

/derail

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
9 years ago

These MRA’s just like to make up stuff. Men don’t get convicted of rape on an accusation alone. They’re still innocent until proven guilty, and rightly so.

Sharculese
Sharculese
9 years ago

Flying rabbits? On rails? Swarming in the sky? Weirdest apocalypse ever.

i think this is his tortured way of saying ‘let slip the dogs of war’. (as in the mechanical rabbit at the dog track) because, y’know that was totally a phrase that needed improving.

2-D Man
2-D Man
9 years ago

Kyrie, there’s some old jokes that start with “If you can read this”. There’s a mug that says “F u cn rd the u cn hv my jb” for secretaries, which is speed-writing for “If you can read this, you can have my job.”

I always liked the red bumper sticker that said “If this sticker is blue, you’re driving too fast”.

This shirt is really disturbing, though. I mean, at some point during each day I’m at work I wind up alone AND within t-shirt-reading-distance of Mike and Ray. I COULD BE CONVICTED OF RAPE SEVERAL TIMES EACH DAY.

Sharculese
Sharculese
9 years ago

I always liked the red bumper sticker that said “If this sticker is blue, you’re driving too fast”.

oh shit i can’t stop laughing about this

kysokisaen
9 years ago

So rarely do you see a shirt that so succinctly tells you absolutely everything you need to know about the wearer. Even if you’re kindhearted enough to not instantly assume the wearer’s hobbies include sexual assault, you’re still instantly informed that you should back off before he opens his mouth lest he unleash some more ‘humor.’

Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

It’s just like a woman not to “remember” hitting a Moose and then to calmly drive in to work on time without seeking medical attention.

A man would NEVER get away with this in Moose Court. That’s why I’m making a line of shirts that says: “If you’re close enough to read this and you’re a Moose, I will be trampled to death (but only if I have a penis!)”

Witty messages like these will finally bring feminism down.

Hershele Ostropoler
9 years ago

Kyrie:

So it’s like a joke, (because it has some of the same words as an actual joke) but in this case it doesn’t make sense, it’s not funny, and for bonus it’s offensive.

Potemkin humor!

nwoslave
9 years ago

Ohhh, c’mon now. Ya can’t even go a day anymore without some major MSM outlet printing yet another false claim and the slap on the wrist the little snowflake got. It’s so common everyone’s become numb to it. It’s not this incredibly rare happenstance. Everywhere throughout history are accounts of women doing the same. Apparently, all those women are like that, the only real difference was the reason for lying.

gratuitous_violet
gratuitous_violet
9 years ago

“dead girls don’t say no”

ooh, I ran into a guy in a bar wearing that shirt, while one of his friends was hitting on my friend (badly). I was drunk enough to go on the offensive, so I just yelled really loudly, “oh, oh, I get it, he’s a necrophiliac! Dude, that’s gross!”

I was hoping he’d stick around to correct me, but he just left with his friends. The possibilities for humor could’ve been endless!

FelixBC
FelixBC
9 years ago

Sometimes I wonder if loud and public mocking isn’t the way to go with the worst ones. Imagine a group of ladies, the older the better, splitting themselves laughing at dudes in these shirts.

FelixBC
FelixBC
9 years ago

And speaking of being completely awful in public, have you seen this lady stepping up to speak against teh gays in Lincoln, Nebraska? The guy in the left behind her is worth watching.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/05/great_moment_in_city_council_crazy.php?m=1

pillowinhell
9 years ago

Oh hey Ruby, I’m sure it happens all the time, so us poors can go around making bad decisions and having entire broods at a time!!! I mean, I’m pretty sure I could totally pop out a dozen whelps atta time! And of course we make that false accusation, I mean, I have to find some way to justify the new brood I popped out right?

indifferentsky
9 years ago

MRA peoples can join society any time now. And by “society” I mean ‘reality’.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/01/us-usa-rape-montana-idUSBRE84005B20120501

“The NIJ study found that college men who participated in aggressive sports in high school, including football and basketball, used more sexual coercion in their college dating relationships than men who did not take part in such athletics.

“Programs can create a culture where it brings out the best in players,” Pollard said. “Or they can create a culture where it is winning at all cost, and people’s behavior isn’t questioned so long as they do well on the field.”

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
9 years ago

Ya can’t even go a day anymore without some major MSM outlet printing yet another false claim and the slap on the wrist the little snowflake got.

Trot some out, Slavey. We’re only 12 days into May. Post links to 12 different MSM stories about people getting slaps on the wrist for falsely accusing someone of rape.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

felixBC: You’re braver than I am. I would have just avoided the guy. With extreme prejudice, 911 on the cell ready for me to hit dial. Because that is not even remotely cute or funny, that’s sick and threatening.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

So rarely do you see a shirt that so succinctly tells you absolutely everything you need to know about the wearer. Even if you’re kindhearted enough to not instantly assume the wearer’s hobbies include sexual assault, you’re still instantly informed that you should back off before he opens his mouth lest he unleash some more ‘humor.’

QFT, could all the MRAs of the world please buy this shirt immediately and wear it daily so the rest of us can spot you and run the other way? Since you won’t actually go your own way, this seems like the next best option. (I’m basically thinking a self-selected scarlet letter here.)

And I realize that shirt is one highly triggering disaster, but it seems better than accidentally being alone with someone who thinks rape is only rape if it’s a stranger dragging a virgin dressed in long sleeves and a floor length skirt down an alley. Did I manage to cover all my bases there? Or probably not since NWO thinks all women and girls wear see-through mini-skirts everywhere?

felixBC
felixBC
9 years ago

KathleenB: I was shaking, admittedly. But then, I hate confronting people. It’s rare (as in lifetime rare) for me to do so, but his shirt was really awful. And he was right there, in my favourite grocery store, the one where the organic/vegetarian/vegan shoppers go. He looked fairly gormless otherwise, and couldn’t stand that a young woman was trailing him around the store, maybe a girlfriend.

I wanted to let her know even more that what he was saying publicly about rape and killing being a great thing to do to women was not ok. They looked young enough that maybe some public protest/shaming might have an effect, and there were a lot of people around. It bothers me that I’m likely to face more criticism and backlash for complaining about his shirt than he is for wearing it. (not even counting a violent response on his part)

And then when I told people about it, I was told that I should have been more gentle in my approach, more reasonable, and have attempted a teaching moment. Why do women have to be the teachers? And never take offense at something clearly offensive?

felixBC
felixBC
9 years ago

*I couldn’t stand

pillowinhell
9 years ago

No see..that’s the guy I want to seriously mindfuck with by explaining that if I want to lie about a rape I DON’T. HAVE. TO. BE. ANYWHERE. NEAR. HIM. All I have to know is some small detail like appearance or name. So fella, I’ve already made the call….

pillowinhell
9 years ago

Because FelixBC its our duty to our gender, and the only sheild we have is other peoples belief that we’re just such good girls to ever deserve being beaten or raped.

Manjaw the Mighty
9 years ago

And speaking of being completely awful in public, have you seen this lady stepping up to speak against teh gays in Lincoln, Nebraska? The guy in the left behind her is worth watching.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/05/great_moment_in_city_council_crazy.php?m=1

That lady is pretty obviously schizophrenic or otherwise severely impaired mentally, so I don’t feel right laughing at her. 🙁

I think there are plenty of perfectly sane homophobes to worry about.

pillowinhell
9 years ago

Are you sure about that Manjaw? It sounds a lot to me like what my daughter first started writing. The lady may have literacy problems. And honestly, I really don’t care what her problem is, she’s up there spreading inflammatory bullshit. It should have been stopped.

felixBC
felixBC
9 years ago

I don’t feel like laughing at her either, as what she’s saying is a pure distillation of homophobia. The next speaker up, a great grandmother, mother of gay son, and lgbt activist, says that she’s heard more packed into a few minutes of speeches than she’s heard in decades of activism. (I think she means both fear and hatred, and also love and tolerance, from other speakers at the city council hearing)

At any rate, if the woman is mentally impaired or ill, why does that mean I have to discount what she is saying? She’s well enough to get up and say it. How much discounting of this kind of rabid hatred can we do, when 32 states, 32!, have written anti-gay marriage amendments into their constitutions? Her stuff may be concentrated, but bits of it are out there all over, being presented to and by lawmakers.

Hershele Ostropoler
9 years ago

Slavey, while you’re getting those links, why not dig up those laws?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

“Utah it seems, is waiting for its rabbits on rails to come home in numbers so vast they dark the sky in swarms.”

I initally read this as Ruby on Rails and wondered why MRAs were suddenly scared of programmers. Evil misandrist software applications, you guys! They’re a real thing!

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