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MGTOWers agree: “Most American women have fallen apart or completely without value by 40.”

Future MGTOWer?

For a bunch of guys who love to pretend they don’t care about women, Men Going Their Own Way certainly do love to talk about them. So much so that I’m thinking they may need to update their little acronym to MGTOAW: Men Going Tediously On About Women.

Over on MGTOWforums.com, for example, the regulars are having their tenth billion discussion about how women totally get all ugly as they get older, while men get handsomer and more awesome. Gannicus, himself 40 years YOUNG, starts things off with this:

To me, one of the most obvious things a man should notice is that in the US, most American women have fallen apart or completely without value by 40.

Is it just me, or does that “in the US, most American women” bit remind you of Miss South Carolina and her “US Americans?”

I know some will say it happens earlier, but lets just stick with a round number. And lets forget about virtue, loyalty, honesty, etc for a moment, which we know is not exactly known to be a top export of American women. Just being completely shallow and superficial, based on appearance alone, I find it disgusting and repulsive to view virtually any woman at 40. I just turned 40 and I am proud of my appearance. I expect to continue taking care of my body,etc.

However, I feel that based on looks. weight, hair, facial quality, etc. that 1% or less of Amercian women at 40 are, shall we say,bangable or even tolerable if you had to stare at for 10 minutes. And lets not even mention that wretched term from a bygone era called feminity. That is almost unheard of in the US in any age group. …

Which then leads me to wonder what the hell do young guys think their female partners will look like at 40? I mean, do they think THEIR girl will be different?

I’m just throwing this out as a hypothesis here, but I’m guessing that “most young guys” aren’t angry, bitter, woman-hating assholes who think all women over 40 are hideous hagbeasts.

Back on MGTOWforums.com, Downandout repectfully disagrees with Gannicus thesis. He believes that many women get ugly long before they hit 40.

It’s not so much that American women hit 40, it’s that 40 hits American women. Hard.

Jokes aside, I don’t think you can peg it to one number. A lot of skanks are starting to look awful in their 20s. Take Lindsay Lohan for example. Girls are starting to drink, do drugs, eat shit, and party hard at a very early age. Their small bodies can’t take that kind of abuse, and it’s showing. On top of that, they wear pounds of makeup to cover up the abuse, which only further contributes to the problem.

Deathslayer quotes the expert testimony of a colleague who calls himself RealDealBrotha:

Look at how quickly these chick fall COMPLETELY off, yet they STILL think they can do everything a man does for as long as a man does it…. NOT! …

Look at all the females who whore away their prime years, or go into career mode, or just choose men for silly reasons and NOT try to better themselves enough to be WORTHY of a good man (who is NOT a simp) wifing them up. They have so little regard for men that they think that they can have good men at their beck and call after they’re aged out fat chicks dragging around kids who they had with other men. It REALLY does NOT work that way, yet they don’t ever figure out the obvious until it’s too late.

We see and hear this story all the time. It comes up so often, that it’s really funny to me now. It warms my heart to know how badly these arrogant, misandric, selfish, worthless women are doomed to crash, burn and live the remainder of their wretched lives as bitter old maids whose only value will be as jumpoffs for bottom-feeder men who lack the guts and the nuts to raise the bar.

It’s always nice to see MGTOWers complain about misandry in comments overflowing with angry misogyny.

Toadman, for his part, seems happy to ignore women altogether, celebrating his independence by sitting at home eating canned food that’s way past its expiration date.

I have an unopened can of pork-and-beans in the cupboard that will taste the same as when canned. It’s lasted longer than the 10-15 years of female fertile desireability. Talk about “shelf-life”.

As they say, living well is the best revenge.

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Does Van Kamp put human flesh in its beans, as well as pork? Because that’s what the alarming expression of the child in the pic above leads me to conclude.

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

Back when I used to dye my hair a lot I did go gray for a little while but stopped when it became too hipster-y (Tavi Gevinson j’accuse!) and I forget the exact brand but it was called “silver” instead of gray so that might be something to look for. It does take a lot of upkeep in terms of purple tinted shampoo every 3 days or so (in my case) and you have to bleach your hair to within an inch of falling out to get that really white effect if your hair isn’t naturally that color. But it’s definitely really nice looking I think.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Steel grey and gunmetal are also awesome colors, if you can pull it off. There’s a pop star whose hair has been just about every color imaginable who had his that sort of steel/gunmetal color for a while and it was gorgeous. It is a bit hard on your hair, though.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Manjaw, thank you, you put that much better than my fumbling attempt did.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago
Manjaw the Mighty
8 years ago

Behold! My MSpaint doodle vision of Manjaw the Mighty! http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/132/d/d/manjaw_the_mighty_by_baaingtree-d4zijo2.png

I like the mustache. :3

Bostonian
8 years ago

CassandraSays, Long Pork and Beans?

scarlettpipistrelle
8 years ago

I take it there are no mirrors in MGTOW-land?

cloudiah
8 years ago

@LBT You have a real talent!

ozymandias42
8 years ago

LBT: Awesome!

Everyone: Thanks! 🙂 I think I’ll stay with my black hair for a while: I really love how it looks on me. But next time I get the urge to bleach I’ll look up this thread.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Cloudiah

Thanks! I also do comics that make mental health INTERESTING! 😀 http://healthymultiplicity.com/loonybrain/ComicsHome.html

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

I’m glad for all the discussion about grey hair dye. My mom has been dyeing her hair for close to 30 years, and she’s really been wanting to let it go to its natural grey (which I think would be particularly lovely on her) but she doesn’t want to let the dye grow out because she’s worried she will look like a skunk. I figure, she should re-dye it grey, yes?

As for the OP: my grandfather fell in love with and married a girl when she was 16. They were in love until she died at 73, and he loves and misses her still. So, on behalf of both of them, I offer a hearty “fuck you :D!”

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

NWO:
“Everyone of you here is belligerent, rude, obnoxious, sexist, racist, vengeful, spiteful, hateful, vain, arrogant, disloyal and spoiled.”

Projecting much?

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

It’s my understanding that the “prove” in “The exception that proves the rule.” means “test”, not “demonstrate to be true”. Or at least, that’s what it originally meant. Makes a little more sense that way, I think.

Shaenon
8 years ago

Manjaw, it is my deepest wish to someday ride with you. What may I kill and skin to be worthy of the hunt?

drst
drst
8 years ago

One of the nice side benefits about my fat? I have yet to have visible wrinkles**.

Of course, I started going gray when I was 17. People cannot figure my age out by looking at me.

** wrinkles are perfectly awesome and nothing to be ashamed of, of course. I am speaking within the context of “visible signs of aging that are generally considered negative”

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

@LBT — those are excellent, may I save your link for the next time I need a 101 explanation that won’t result in me trying to actually explain the DSM?

katz
8 years ago

Aww, NWO thinks other people are racist! So precious!

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Argenti

You are most welcome! Also, one of our system members also uses the pronouns zie and zer. Zie says hi.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

@LBT — thank you, and hello! (or pass along a hello to zer, whichever’s appropriate currently)

cloudiah
8 years ago

@LBT, I really liked the MPD one, and will keep reading! Thanks for sharing them.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
8 years ago

I am amused by the disloyal accusation.
Y’all seem pretty loyal to me. I see you here most every day.

I have a suspicion that the mgtows crawl out of their man cave from time to time to resupply and are shocked I tell you shocked! that half the population does not in fact look exactly like the people in the sexxxay underage porn they spend their man cave time with.
It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

I’m not going grey, but the peninsula of my widow’s peak is slowly becoming an island, possibly even an archipelago.

By which I mean my hair is thinning in such a way that I’m going to have a tuft on the front of my forehead and a receding hairline behind it, probably by the time I’m 40 or so. Which isn’t that far off GOOD LORD WHY DON’T I HAVE A LAMBORGHINI YET HELP ME RECAPTURE MY LOST YOUTH OR AT LEAST GIVE ME A PAPER BAG TO BREATHE INTO

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

I think the fact that the Van Camps kid looks like he’s underlit with a red gel doesn’t help me maintain my calm.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

*hands Falconer a paper bag* Sorry but I can’t help with the lambo. And you’re right about the kid being underlit — but take a look at the can itself, it’s shiny inside — multiple light sources to go with the redness! So. Much. Wrongness.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

That Van Camps kid is creepy.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

Well, yeah, the spoon isn’t casting a shadow on the kid’s mouth so either they set up several different lights on the kid or it got sent back to the art department several times. It’s not a photograph, so I think it went through several touch-up sessions.

My beloved thinks that what we’ve got here is a manip. I suppose there’s ways to tell, but I’m all meh about actually googling for it.

I’m actually not surprised that the can doesn’t fit in with the lighting scheme. They’d want to emphasize their product, so the inside of the can can’t be in shadow.

Yoyo
Yoyo
8 years ago

As a dreaded ginger, we don’t go grey more blonde or stuffed teddy bear colour. Still peeves me a bit but I get hit on in planes most weeks so according to these mgtows I should be both great full and under 30. Whoops, make that pissed off and early 40s.

These guys are just very very strange. I suppose we should be happy they are turning their personal failure into feeling better, but they are just too damn foul!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Taking a closer look at it enlarged, I think it might actually be a painting. There seems to be a signature or something written under the hat, just behind his ear. That would explain how everything except his greenish shirt is so red, and why his facial expression just looks wrong

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Yeah, take a look at the drip on the spoon, I think that’s an oil painting not a photograph.

Bostonian
8 years ago

It is the captured soul of a demon glowering at us. “First the beans of the damned, THEN YOU!”

Noadi
Noadi
8 years ago

Combined with some failure to realize what 30- and 40-year-olds actually look like–the way they talk about it, I suspect a lot of the women they see on the street and think “ha, 35 and she’s lost her beauty” are closer to 65

This is probably incredibly true. People think they can guess how old people are but since I’ve seen too many people guess incorrectly I know how terrible people can be at it. From the flattering (someone thought I was 20 a couple weeks ago, I’ll actually be 30 next month) to the really depressing (someone thought my best friend was my mother, and she’s only 6 weeks older than me).

Aside from that: who the fuck care how someone you aren’t attracted to look? You are under no obligation to date/fuck/marry someone you aren’t attracted to. It’s the opposite of the people who get upset when they find out someone they find attractive isn’t interested in them (or their gender). No one has any obligation to reciprocate the attraction. Get over it, the world isn’t for your private amusement you have to share it with 6 billion other people.

darksidecat
8 years ago

Oh, wanted to add that even people I do not find attractive are not therefore “completely without value” either, that’s really fucked up.

captainbathrobe
captainbathrobe
8 years ago

Not that anyone here needs my validation, but some of the most attractive women I know are over 40. So, once again, MRAs can suck it.

On an unrelated note, today I was able to successfully root my Kindle Fire! Woo hoo! Go me!

captainbathrobe
captainbathrobe
8 years ago

What about us menz, Slavey? Are we racist, spoiled, and all those other things as well? Or are we just deluded, self-hating manginae?

I simply cannot wait to hear your response. Oh, wait, yes I can.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

This thread gave me a little lightbulb moment about he who shall not be named who’s web stalking me. Since I tend to be very open about what I find attractive, and whether or not I’m attracted to particular men (very few of them, percentage wise), he’s interpeting “I don’t want to fuck X” as “I think X is a worthless human being”. Which isn’t a. what I mean by saying I don’t want to fuck someone or b. what most people mean when they say they don’t want to fuck someone. It is, however, apparently what most angry misogynists mean when they say they don’t want to fuck someone, so there you go – classic projection.

mythago
8 years ago

“The exception proves the rule” doesn’t mean that the exception shows the rule is true. “Proves” is in the older sense of the word, meaning to test. (Remember “Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord”?) What it means is that the exception tests the rule, i.e., whether the rule is valid.

Magpie
Magpie
8 years ago

Turning 30 was good because people stopped asking “when are you going to have kids”. Turning 40 was good because ‘how other people judge your looks’ is no longer important.

GingerSnaps
GingerSnaps
8 years ago

Does Van Kamp put human flesh in its beans, as well as pork? Because that’s what the alarming expression of the child in the pic above leads me to conclude.

Long Pork and Beans?

You stole my joke 🙁

In other news, I was super-depressed about all this MRA nonsense. Then, I went into the real world, and saw that people come in all different sizes and shapes and colors and ages and levels of health and it was all good. Fuck MRAs, and the MGTOW need to just GTOW already.

Also, NWOslave wins ALL the projection, again.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

@LBT — I’ve been enjoying reading through your site (on and off, I keep remembering I have the tab still open, enjoy the irony of that) — “‘How do you know you’re real?’ How do you?” — you may enjoy Descartes’ Meditations, they’re the source of “I think therefore I am” and they’re not very long.

@Magpie — but do you ever get old enough they stop cat calling? My mother tells me I shouldn’t expect that to ever happen >.<

Fuck MRAs, and the MGTOW need to just GTOW already.

Also, NWOslave wins ALL the projection, again.

TRUFAX! Seriously MGTOW, just GTOW, we won’t mind one bit.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

@LBT — one warning with Descartes, you can basically just put it down after the second bit, the third bit is him going “because god!” — the near-lawyer friend and I have nicknamed it god-hands, akin to jazz-hands — it’s about as relevant and entirely as “look over here now!” (It was published when he had to pander to The Church unfortunately). I still rather enjoyed it though, it’s a good formal logic argument of how thinking is the only thing that proves we exist.

Yoyo
Yoyo
8 years ago

More importantly is there a special shirt, hairstyle or facial expression that will make these deluded f..is realise we really do not care what they think about us?
Find a good logo and I will print a thousand!
Why on earth do they’d think anyone would be flattered by the attentions of mouth breathing Cheetos eating women haters?

Magpie
Magpie
8 years ago

re catcalling. I reckon it falls off to the point where you don’t expect it. I find that since the bludgers are not my peers anymore, I shrug it off as “bloody teenagers”, so their opinion is not relevant.

I live in a NSW country town, maybe it’s not so common here anyway.

All the “attentions” I have ever got were hoons yelling from cars about how ugly I am. So I don’t know about wolf whistles, etc. 😉

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Magpie, well, here’s hoping they at least get less annoying once I’m older than most of them, it’s just damned creepy to have men my father’s age making sexual comments FFS

Magpie
Magpie
8 years ago

Argenti, my father is 80 and he still makes sexual comments to girls in shops 🙁

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

I somehow doubt mine will ever grow out of it either…really creepy when he’s whistling at women younger than me — young enough to be his grandkid >.<

So is that wtf the MRM is then? Like them but of a generation that can work the internet?

Magpie
Magpie
8 years ago

Well, my brother did start hanging out at Father’s Rights sites ….

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

*grumble* and we may have an answer why mine is so pissed I moved out. He’s still living with our parents, despite being a few years over 21 now. Which would be fine, I guess, but he seems to have a stick up his ass that I’m not still living there. A stick I haven’t been able to figure out since, what, did he not expect I’d move out someday? And being older would probably do that before he did?

The *best* part of the cat-calling though? I know it’s because I’ve got D-cups…and I really don’t identify as a cis woman, so ignoring them would be so much more preferred. (And FTR, I’m well past used to answering to female pronouns, but prefer the gender neutral ze/zir)

But oh yeah, if I’m out in public it must be because I want to land a man for sexytimes >.<

Magpie
Magpie
8 years ago

If you hang around near the cat-callers, you’ll hear them shout sexy things at one person, racist things at the next, ‘jeez you’re ugly’ at the next, make pig noises at the cops, and so on. It’s all the same to them – they’re not really trying for sexytimes. They just pissing on their tree. 😉

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Whoops, I meant the MRAs there, clarity got lost in my annoyance it seems >.<