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MGTOWers agree: “Most American women have fallen apart or completely without value by 40.”

Future MGTOWer?

For a bunch of guys who love to pretend they don’t care about women, Men Going Their Own Way certainly do love to talk about them. So much so that I’m thinking they may need to update their little acronym to MGTOAW: Men Going Tediously On About Women.

Over on MGTOWforums.com, for example, the regulars are having their tenth billion discussion about how women totally get all ugly as they get older, while men get handsomer and more awesome. Gannicus, himself 40 years YOUNG, starts things off with this:

To me, one of the most obvious things a man should notice is that in the US, most American women have fallen apart or completely without value by 40.

Is it just me, or does that “in the US, most American women” bit remind you of Miss South Carolina and her “US Americans?”

I know some will say it happens earlier, but lets just stick with a round number. And lets forget about virtue, loyalty, honesty, etc for a moment, which we know is not exactly known to be a top export of American women. Just being completely shallow and superficial, based on appearance alone, I find it disgusting and repulsive to view virtually any woman at 40. I just turned 40 and I am proud of my appearance. I expect to continue taking care of my body,etc.

However, I feel that based on looks. weight, hair, facial quality, etc. that 1% or less of Amercian women at 40 are, shall we say,bangable or even tolerable if you had to stare at for 10 minutes. And lets not even mention that wretched term from a bygone era called feminity. That is almost unheard of in the US in any age group. …

Which then leads me to wonder what the hell do young guys think their female partners will look like at 40? I mean, do they think THEIR girl will be different?

I’m just throwing this out as a hypothesis here, but I’m guessing that “most young guys” aren’t angry, bitter, woman-hating assholes who think all women over 40 are hideous hagbeasts.

Back on MGTOWforums.com, Downandout repectfully disagrees with Gannicus thesis. He believes that many women get ugly long before they hit 40.

It’s not so much that American women hit 40, it’s that 40 hits American women. Hard.

Jokes aside, I don’t think you can peg it to one number. A lot of skanks are starting to look awful in their 20s. Take Lindsay Lohan for example. Girls are starting to drink, do drugs, eat shit, and party hard at a very early age. Their small bodies can’t take that kind of abuse, and it’s showing. On top of that, they wear pounds of makeup to cover up the abuse, which only further contributes to the problem.

Deathslayer quotes the expert testimony of a colleague who calls himself RealDealBrotha:

Look at how quickly these chick fall COMPLETELY off, yet they STILL think they can do everything a man does for as long as a man does it…. NOT! …

Look at all the females who whore away their prime years, or go into career mode, or just choose men for silly reasons and NOT try to better themselves enough to be WORTHY of a good man (who is NOT a simp) wifing them up. They have so little regard for men that they think that they can have good men at their beck and call after they’re aged out fat chicks dragging around kids who they had with other men. It REALLY does NOT work that way, yet they don’t ever figure out the obvious until it’s too late.

We see and hear this story all the time. It comes up so often, that it’s really funny to me now. It warms my heart to know how badly these arrogant, misandric, selfish, worthless women are doomed to crash, burn and live the remainder of their wretched lives as bitter old maids whose only value will be as jumpoffs for bottom-feeder men who lack the guts and the nuts to raise the bar.

It’s always nice to see MGTOWers complain about misandry in comments overflowing with angry misogyny.

Toadman, for his part, seems happy to ignore women altogether, celebrating his independence by sitting at home eating canned food that’s way past its expiration date.

I have an unopened can of pork-and-beans in the cupboard that will taste the same as when canned. It’s lasted longer than the 10-15 years of female fertile desireability. Talk about “shelf-life”.

As they say, living well is the best revenge.

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Joanna
8 years ago

What!? Women look like whatever the hell they want to look like? Misandry!

Amused
8 years ago

But I bet those “real men” do appreciate all those sweet and feminine women from third-world countries, who obligingly and femininely die before 40, so that their magnanimous male benefactors don’t have to look at them.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
8 years ago

Don’t eat pork and beans right out of the can, Toadman. Put a can of it in a casserole dish with a half cup of brown sugar, 2 tablespoons of mustard, and 1/4 c. of ketchup. Top it with some bacon slices, stick an onion in the middle of the dish, cover, and bake at 350 degrees for one hour. If you want to eat it plain, then at least use it as a topping for a deep fried salmon cake made with Ritz cracker breading.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

This actually makes me a bit sad, because my husband is significantly older than me and he periodically has his down days where he worries that I’ll suddenly become uninterested in him. Impossible. He’s the most gorgeous man on the planet and I can’t fathom more years of life would HARM his awesomeness.

I myself look forward to being old and cantankerous. Not so much the higher likelihood of health problems, but looks alone? Psh. Old people are AWESOME.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
8 years ago

Also, why are the pork and beans 15 years old? The can is probably bulging and full of bacteria by now.

prosey
8 years ago

A man who, at 40, uses the word, “bangable,” is not to be taken seriously by anyone with a brain.

Amused
8 years ago

Don’t eat pork and beans right out of the can, Toadman. Put a can of it in a casserole dish with a half cup of brown sugar, 2 tablespoons of mustard, and 1/4 c. of ketchup. Top it with some bacon slices, stick an onion in the middle of the dish, cover, and bake at 350 degrees for one hour. If you want to eat it plain, then at least use it as a topping for a deep fried salmon cake made with Ritz cracker breading.

Look at this deranged feminist, ordering a man to cook, as if he were her servant or something. Misandry!!

Amused
8 years ago

A man who, at 40, uses the word, “bangable,” is not to be taken seriously by anyone with a brain.

Wanna bet he has a dating profile with an obnoxious summary and pictures that are at least 15 years-old?

drockthecasbah
8 years ago

What I find so freakishly scary in these gems that Mr. Furtrelle digs up are how all of the arguments made by MGTOWers are layed on a foundation of toxic societal norms.

Why do men look better as they age?
Because society and culture says so!

Why do women depreciate as they age?
Because society and culture says so!

It’s not bioligical, natural, or destiny. This perceived “uglification” of women is a rank by-product of a sexist society. The whole “shallow women wearing make-up” complaint is such a flippant approach to dealing with a much, much larger social issue and any man, or person in general, who can look at Western consumption of cosmetics in such a grossly over-simplified light is, frankly, a complete idiot. Or someone that hates women. Or both.

I’d be really curious as to how these men have bettered society or proved in anyway to be “of value” in their 40’s, 30’s, 20’s, ever.

And being a spokesperson for “oppressed” white men doesn’t count.

uncoupdefoudre
uncoupdefoudre
8 years ago

Ah, yes, that classic argument that a woman worth lies solely in her looks.

Which then leads me to wonder what the hell do young guys think their female partners will look like at 40? I mean, do they think THEIR girl will be different?

Pretty sure my SO isn’t staking our entire future together on my physical appearance through the years. He, ya know, likes me for who I am as a person, not just what I look like.

Don’t these people have mothers? Maybe my mom would not be considered “bangable” (eww…) to these guys, seeing as she’s over 40 and looks it, but does that really mean that she is “doomed to crash, burn and live the remainder of [her wretched life as a bitter old maid] whose only value will be as jumpoffs for bottom-feeder men who lack the guts and the nuts to raise the bar”?

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
8 years ago

Look at this deranged feminist, ordering a man to cook, as if he were her servant or something. Misandry!!

I know, but I can’t help it. It’s like he has no respect for the amazing potential that is in a can of Van Camp’s Pork and Beans. I’ll eat straight out of a can on a float trip or something, but at home, I will fix them up much better.

M Dubz
M Dubz
8 years ago

Oh for Chrissake. Has this guy ever MET a woman in her 40s? I’m not hauling out photos of my mother because privacy, but I pray every day that I ended up with my mom’s good genes.

Now granted, she does not look like she is 20, because she is in her 50s and that would be creepy. But she’s had an interesting life, she takes good care of herself, she dresses well, and she has people who love and support her. And all of that shows on her face and the way that she carries herself. In my experience, people who have been fortunate enough to love their loves and live with joy, that tends to show on their faces as they age. Which really doesn’t bode well for most MRAs over the age of 40.

M Dubz
M Dubz
8 years ago

@Kendra- That recipe made me wish I still ate pig for a second there. It sounds nummy.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Also, why are the pork and beans 15 years old? The can is probably bulging and full of bacteria by now.

Yeah, seriously, someone needs to stage an intervention and tell this guy that even for commercially canned low-acid foods like pork and beans, the standard recommended maximum shelf life is 5 years. (Although apparently the U.S. Army has done tests and found foods that were well preserved for as long as 46 years!)

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
8 years ago

If you’re going your own way, why the fuck do you care how women look? Or are you just offended that women are walking around past the age of 25 or whatever fucking number you’ve decided the cut off is?

Toadman, your precious can of pork n’ beans is probably bulging with botulism. Bon Appetit!

Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

These MGTOAWs are such enlightened men. Clearly, denying women the privilege of marrying them will destroy feminism.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
8 years ago

For some reason, I now have in my head a mental image of Gannicus as Robin William’s 40+ y-o Peter Pan from ‘Hook’ shouting “Bang-able!” as he fights pirates, and I had to dump it onto you to free myself of it.

Bangarang Peter. It’s *Bangarang*.

katz
8 years ago

I have an unopened can of pork-and-beans in the cupboard

Finally a statement from an MRA that I absolutely believe.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
8 years ago

Which then leads me to wonder what the hell do young guys think their female partners will look like at 40? I mean, do they think THEIR girl will be different?

I haven’t asked my (almost-40) partner what he thinks I’m going to look like at 40. But I would bet he expects me to look about like I do now. At the very least, he probably expects me to look more or less like the other women in my family who are 40+.

I also assume he’s okay with this, or he wouldn’t have presented me with the Big Shiny Rock of Marital Intentions(TM). (Expecting basic honesty from my partner? MISANDRY!)

felixBC
felixBC
8 years ago

RealDealBrotha seems to have accounted for all of a woman’s possible life choices, and condemned them all. Career? Lots of men? Marriage? Kids? No kids? The greatest crime is being over 40, as far as I can see. Yes, better we drop dead at 39 years, 364 days. Or, heck, at the first wrinkle.

And lol at men “wifing up” a woman. What does that even mean?

Leslie
Leslie
8 years ago

“Their small bodies can’t take that kind of abuse, and it’s showing.”

I hate this, and all the other variations on “women’s [body/mind] can’t handle X” paternalism so much. If you’re not a physiologist or a biological anthropologist or someone else who actually studies this stuff, I kindly suggest you fuck right off regarding the differences between what men’s and women’s bodies or minds are built for.

Reminds me of when I was in Russia, on a walk with a friend, and we saw a homeless woman, apparently drunk. My friend started lamenting how it’s so much worse for women to become alcoholics, because men are designed to consume alcohol and women aren’t, so alcoholism is inescapable for a woman (but not for a man), plus she’s ruined her ability to have children, a woman’s highest calling. That’s crap pseudo-science, and so is this.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
8 years ago

@Kendra- That recipe made me wish I still ate pig for a second there. It sounds nummy.

It is a delicious side dish. I wish I had a pork free version to share.

My late grandma taught me how to make the baked beans, how to grill BBQ pork steaks, how to make pie crust with real lard, and how to fry almost any vegetable in bacon grease. Basically, every recipe she taught me involves some kind of pork or pig fat. It’s probably not too healthy, but it tastes great.

Which then leads me to wonder what the hell do young guys think their female partners will look like at 40? I mean, do they think THEIR girl will be different?

I think it’s sweet when elderly couples are still happy together after 40+ years. They’re still in love even after their partners get wrinkles and gray hair. It’s too bad the MGTOW are too shallow to see the beauty of these relationships.

drockthecasbah
8 years ago

Also, talk about a straw man argument.

Let’s use Lindsey Lohan as a symbolic representative of the entirety of womandom, shall we? Ladies? That’s fair, right (he asked sarcastically)?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

I’ve seen women still looking good in their 60s and 70s. I wouldn’t have sex with them, but you don’t judge a person based on whether you’d fuck them or not.

Preaching to the choir and the devil isn’t listening, eh?

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

This is like the “fat chicks” post. Hey, dudes, you have every right to not be attracted to women for any silly reason you want. No one’s gonna force you to date a fat lady and no one’s gonna force you to date a lady over 40.

But you don’t get to be a roaring douchebag about the fact that people you don’t want to date exist.

Carrie
8 years ago

The irony is amazing with these guys. We’re shallow and picky, but they’re the ones demonizing any woman that doesn’t look like a barely-legal porn star.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

Huh… Apparently, this list exists. Enjoy, MGTOAWers, enjoy. ^_^

blitzgal
8 years ago

All the shit that spews out of your mouth, and you expect me to believe that calling you a “creep” is hateful and unfair.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

I thought these guys were GTOW? So why do they care if a woman is 40 or what she looks like? They’re missing the point of their own “movement.”

Like they’d even know a woman is 40 just by looking at her. No one believes me when I tell them I’m 40, and it has fuckall to do with clean living, it’s mostly genetics.

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

Well, I’m almost 35, so I’ve got about five years until my ass hits the floor. I better go live it up!! Jello shots for everyone!

Sara
Sara
8 years ago

This actually just makes me sad. In a society where 24 year olds are doing anti-wrinkle cream ads, women are justifiably paranoid that their attractiveness is going to wane faster than it actually does, faster than men’s – even if it’s not true. On top of that, we get clear messages that our worth is in our looks, and little else. This is really hard to counter – even the most self-confident and successful woman surrounded by love and support feels this sting of judgment, this feeling of invisibility as we age. My husband thinks I’m nuts the way I obsess over my facial flaws, incoming wrinkles, sun spots. He’s like “One day you’ll actually BE old and you’ll feel pretty dumb for mourning your youth at age 35.” Can he blame me?

Arielle Shander
8 years ago

“However, I feel that based on looks. weight, hair, facial quality, etc. that 1% or less of Amercian women at 40 are, shall we say,bangable”

Aren’t these the same people who complain about women’s “superficiality” and “high standards?” Pot, meet kettle.

drst
drst
8 years ago

And lets not even mention that wretched term from a bygone era called feminity. That is almost unheard of in the US in any age group.

I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest Americans haven’t heard of this because “feminity” isn’t an actual word.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

And lol at men “wifing up” a woman. What does that even mean?

WIMMINZ! Keep yourselves young and waifish well into your 90s or MINZ will no longer let you use their Internetz access!

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

I thought masculinity was superior to femininiminty in MRA-land anyway. If we’re feminine, we’re subject to “being feminine means being frivolous and stupid.”

…But I guess that’s what we’re supposed to be.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

I think that they just hate any woman who isn’t literally an encephalopathic fetus. Brains? Bodies? Pulses? Women have that stuff, and it’s disgusting! ;p

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

I generally find attractive people who are around my own age, and that hasn’t changed since high school. Why would it change at 40? Of course “growing old together” implies growing old; that’s kind the whole idea. 70-year-old men who hate to look at 70-year-old women just hate their own wrinkles most of all.

Manjaw the Mighty
8 years ago

I showed this to my aunt Hagbeast, but she’s so old and such an old-fashioned Amazon that she doesn’t even understand what “marriage” is, so it was hard to impress on her how strange and sad the post is.

Manjaw the Mighty
8 years ago

“Men have ‘desires?’ Who gives a fuck?” I believe she said, but as I mentioned: She’s a very old-fashioned Amazon.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Does anyone else read Manjaw the Mighty’s comments in a voice similar to James Earl Jones’s in majesty and resonance?

C’mon, it can’t just be me!

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

I’m hearing Colleen Dewhurst, myself, LBT.

Manjaw the Mighty
8 years ago

I’m very flattered. :3 I have to say, I’ve become a little bit self-conscious about the timbre of my voice since venturing forth from Man-hating Amazon Dykeland. Some people called me “Coach Beiste,” and it took me a while to figure out the reference.

Fatman
Fatman
8 years ago

I know it has been said before, but perhaps any MRM visitors could learn from this simple video.

Dead Celluloid Dead
8 years ago

Oh, the poor, poor men (well, MGTOWs at least. I wont generalise all men, ‘cos I’m a dude.) The poor darlings, bless there little hearts. Imagine women *SHOCK AND AWE!* ageing. Oh, the travesty. Oh the shame. Imagine, just imagine the poor little darlings walking in a shop, shopping for their 15-year-old pork and beans, until suddenly they see a woman in her 40s. Of course, our MGTOW is an adonis – George Clooney and Brad Pitt would bow down to his awesome beauty – rightfully stops and looks on in disgust. This woman must look like a cross between a dog and a pig. Oh, how horrid!

Oh, and if you couldn’t tell I was being sarcastic. I mean, the nerve of these judgemental pricks. How dare they say anything about appearance. As if being a dude who “going their own way” (how laughable) gives them some right to make comments up on high.

Also, while I can’t tell if they themselves are good looking, there’s something in Roald Dahl’s “The Twits” which has always struck a cord with me:

“If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that person has ugly thoughts every day, every week, every year, the face gets uglier and uglier until you can hardly bear to look at it.

A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts it will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely.”

I believe this completely. This is why I have never put much stock in”the importance” of appearance whenever I’ve dated someone. ‘Cos it’s bullshit, for the most part. A beautiful mind stands head and shoulder above being aesthetically pleasing. That’s why I consider Brad Dourif and Bob Hoskins to be two of my absolutely-legit Hollywood man-crushes.

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

Brother, let’s gather around and repeat a thousand times:
“Females are not pretty, females are ugly, females are not sexy and they’re fat and evil.”
Then we’ll make penitence and flog ourselves once for each boner we had this week.

Dead Celluloid Dead
8 years ago

Oh, I forgot to mention. I’m suggesting the MGTOWs have “ugly minds”, as described by Roald Dahl in the situation. If that wasn’t clear already.

Hershele Ostropoler
8 years ago

I love how they’ve started to have escape clauses for their generalizations. Men who think they like fat women are victims of witchcraft! Men who think they like wizened old crones of 40 are just thetas who can’t do any better!

So if I note that I’m almost 34 and my girlfriend is older, they can say it’s because I’m not rich or powerful, which is the male equivalent of being ugly, so I can’t do any better.

The last part is probably true, but not in the way they mean.

katz
8 years ago

This woman must look like a cross between a dog and a pig.

Aww, that sounds so cute!

Manjaw the Mighty
8 years ago

This woman must look like a cross between a dog and a pig.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/Gadget_the_pug_expressive_eyes.jpg

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