What do feminists want? Equal work for equal pay? An end to sexual violence? A new album from Le Tigre? Nope. According to the dude behind the still-awkwardly named Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog, what they really want is to GET THE RING and get hitched up to some nice man they can happily exploit. Yep, feminists love marriage more than almost anything. Why? Because getting married is the necessary first step towards getting a nice, profitable divorce. Mr. PMAFT explains:
Anyone who tells you that getting married and having children fights feminism is wrong. Feminism is dependent on marriage and family. Without it, feminism would collapse. When socons and tradcons push for marriage, they are working to create more feminism.
But …
Some of you are thinking, “what about all those feminists who want to ‘destroy marriage’?” … [T]his represents a misunderstanding of what feminism is and how pervasive it is. A few lesbians who want to destroy marriage don’t really represent the totality of feminism. The most prominent strain of feminism currently in existence is hybrid feminism or cafeteria feminism, which combines anything from what is traditionally thought of as “feminism” to conservatism and traditionalism that benefits women.
Um, I’m pretty sure that the traditionalists are not eating in the same cafeteria as the “cafeteria feminists.” But PMAFT is on a roll:
The hybrid or cafeteria feminist does not want to “destroy marriage” as such. They have no interest in living in lesbian communes. They want to be able to cash out and destroy THEIR marriages via divorce whenever they feel like it, but they still want to get married when they want. If marriage was completely destroyed, then they wouldn’t be able to fleece men of their children and financial assets because they wouldn’t be able to get married in the first place to have a divorce. Without the use of marriage and divorce, it becomes nearly impossible for feminism to steal the wealth of men. … Feminism is now completely dependent on marriage and family.
Huh, because most of the feminists I know, oh, never mind.
This is the reason why the marriage strike is such a large threat to feminism. Without men getting married, the engine of feminism doesn’t have the fuel it needs to keep going, and it stalls.
I’m pretty sure most feminist women will get along just fine even if they can’t marry you.
Shaenon: Hope you have (had?) a wonderful day!
Happy birthday, Shaenon!
Have a bee burrito.
“I can accept that child support debts are privileged, but why alimony debts?”
I don’t know about the laws where you live, or if failure to pay alimony is punishable by imprisonment where I live, but in my state alimony is only awarded if one of the partners in a divorce is unable to sufficiently provide for themselves a quality of life considered reasonable (by the courts) in comparison to their quality of life in the marriage.
So for example, if a heterosexual couple was married and Wife worked full-time while Husband cleaned the house and cooked dinner and did the shopping, etc., when they divorced then Wife would pay alimony (it’s called “spousal maintenance” here, lol) to Husband because she has the full-time job and he has no employment record. He would need the alimony to pay rent and buy groceries because they had an arrangement where he had no money. (I believe that in the event he were to become regularly employed with an income similar to his ex-wife’s then the order to pay alimony could be revoked, but I’d have to double check.)
TL; DR – alimony is to spouses as child support is to children. If not paying alimony means former spouse can’t pay rent on their apartment, then obviously that’s a responsibility that the payer needs to be on top of.
Does that answer your question?
Happy Shaenon Day!!!
The “expecting a grown man to know how to wipe his own ass is misandry” guy! Yeah, dude, that’s such an unreasonable expectation.
@NWOslave – Don’t fling your poop at me. You have a really bad case of HolyshitWTF-itis and I don’t want to catch it. Mucho Gracias
“Does he have rights to having sex? No, he has no right to having sex. His biological needs are irrelevant.”
In case no one else touched on this yet…
No, men don’t have a right to sex, not even from their wives. (Neither do women. OKAY?!) There is no biological need for sex. You won’t die, fall ill, or suffer brain damage without it.
Did I really just have to explain that to some one? Goddamn.
The idea that these paragons of manhood don’t want to get married fills me with dread. Or should that be “delight”? Probably.
The best thing about the above is the expression “cafeteria feminism”, though. Priceless. Also, where can I find these awesome lesbian communes and do they have good cafeterias?
P.S. Only yesterday a drunk man in a bar asked my boyfriend and I “when we were getting married”. I said I didn’t really believe in marriage, which the drunk man seemed to find confusing. He then said we had to get married so that we could get utterly sick of each other and split ut. Was he in fact an MRA disguised as a drunken man?
No, NWO, you do not get to have sex with someone who doesn’t want to, even if she’s your wife. To do so is called rape, you disgusting pig. Marriage does not give you the automatic right to use someone else’s body. And incidentally, sex is not a ‘biological need’.
Not for individuals anyway. But some MRA’s seem to have delusions of grandeur in which if they, individually, don’t have sex, the entire human species will murdalize itself into extinctionality in a giant gender warpocalypse.
Which raises the question of when, exactly, this final reckoning is going to go ahead and get started, because in the fevered imaginations of these boobz it’s been about to happen any day now for quite some time.
I remember reading a blog a while ago by this guy who was rapidly going in the direction of being an MRA. He claimed at one point that he had a dog, and had to clean up after it one night after it soiled the bed. He concluded his tale by stating that that’s as hard as parenting ever gets. My mind was blown. Seriously, I used to think parenting was pretty easy, but then I grew up, and saw the constant work parents have to put in even when their children are just somewhere nearby. I can’t believe that someone who thinks that way has ever been around many small children.
Antz: “They want to be able to cash out and destroy THEIR marriages via divorce whenever they feel like it, but they still want to get married when they want ..”
Do any of you have the effrontery to say that this is not true?
It’s not true.
I love how it only takes an unpleasant experience divorcing one woman for a blogger to conclude that all women are hateful and evil and actively conspiring. (Can I be a cafeteria conspirator? That sounds awesome.)
Actually, I DO want the right to get divorced whenever I want and married whenever I (and my partner obviously) want.
I don’t think that’s particularly unreasonable.
smhll: Better to be a fine dining conspirator.
Not only is the food better, it’s easier to keep people from eavesdropping.
Pervocracy: Antz is wrong, not because I am against divorce, but because of the, “cash in” aspect of his model.
Logic 101, if the premises are false the statement is false.
Carp… I meant to say invalid*
*and I meant to say “carp”.
Today’s daily dose of hatred of men, brought to you by the MSM.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-shapiro-barash/mothers-day_b_1475698.html?ref=women&ir=Women
I could really go to any MSM outlet and find the same thing. If something similar were written about women on fathers day, as if that could ever happen, it’d be the war on women.
Do have a read and see what men endure from the vile mouths of women every day for their entire lives. Looks like the author is gearing up to be a psycologist. Perhaps you could recommend ANTZ to get a little help from her. That’s what basically all your school counsilors, and private shinks consist of, perfect women.
I really like where the author says, “For starters, gift shopping with a child (preferably a daughter) in tow works wonders.” This way you can kill two birds with one stone. Daddy, (not really a parent by law), can learn to defer to even little girls. And the little girl can learn to dictate mens actions and resources.
No women will ever write an article about this foulness, no female politicians will care, no women anywhere will give a damn. However, some of the comments are mean towards women. Manboobz can use those comments as proof of misogyny.
Falconer wins the Manboobz Gym Badge!
Why does the 59th Amendment make ice cream illegal? Both this question and yours make incorrect assumptions and are thus impossible to answer with anything other than “wait, it doesn’t work that way”.
You can, indeed, be punished for violating a court order to pay a debt that you have the ability to pay. That is called contempt of court: the court ordered you to do a thing, and you refused to do it. And no, it is not limited to child support/alimony. If you sue me for trashing your car, and you win, and I say “Fuck you, I’m not paying and I don’t have a paycheck for you to garnish”….well, then what? Is it just OK for me to blow off the court order finding in your favor an ordering me to pay for the damage to your car?
The problem is not that contempt order exist; the problem is when they’re applied to people who really have little or no ability to pay, and who have difficulty showing that in a contempt hearing because they’re not lawyers and aren’t entitled to one. That, happily, is changing; an NCP facing jail or other stiff penalties should get help proving “I can’t pay my child support because I lost my job and can’t find another one and I’m living out of my junker car” is true as opposed to “Uh, well, I’m broke this month because I spent on my spare money on Farmville currency, sorry.”
Wow. I remember in Ye Olde Dayeseseseses (*forcibly stops self from typing more Es and Ss), the big manly men were complaining about ye evil feminists not wanting to get married!
Destroying marriage!
Running away to find themselves!
Lesbian communes! (YAY!) (Erm, that was me back then, and, well, now, too, if the lesbians wish).
Etc.
Now, it’s all about getting married to get rich divorce settlement.
The times they are a-changing…and who the hell left my cake out in the rain?
I think fish would make excellent cursewords, on account of they’re icky. Carp! Haddock! Holy Mackerel! See, they all sound angry and kinda repulsive.
Oh, croap.
Pike, loach (and the even more evocative, cooley loach), lamprey, placostamous.
Oh, coelocanth the smelting kipper!
Shad.