What do feminists want? Equal work for equal pay? An end to sexual violence? A new album from Le Tigre? Nope. According to the dude behind the still-awkwardly named Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog, what they really want is to GET THE RING and get hitched up to some nice man they can happily exploit. Yep, feminists love marriage more than almost anything. Why? Because getting married is the necessary first step towards getting a nice, profitable divorce. Mr. PMAFT explains:
Anyone who tells you that getting married and having children fights feminism is wrong. Feminism is dependent on marriage and family. Without it, feminism would collapse. When socons and tradcons push for marriage, they are working to create more feminism.
But …
Some of you are thinking, “what about all those feminists who want to ‘destroy marriage’?” … [T]his represents a misunderstanding of what feminism is and how pervasive it is. A few lesbians who want to destroy marriage don’t really represent the totality of feminism. The most prominent strain of feminism currently in existence is hybrid feminism or cafeteria feminism, which combines anything from what is traditionally thought of as “feminism” to conservatism and traditionalism that benefits women.
Um, I’m pretty sure that the traditionalists are not eating in the same cafeteria as the “cafeteria feminists.” But PMAFT is on a roll:
The hybrid or cafeteria feminist does not want to “destroy marriage” as such. They have no interest in living in lesbian communes. They want to be able to cash out and destroy THEIR marriages via divorce whenever they feel like it, but they still want to get married when they want. If marriage was completely destroyed, then they wouldn’t be able to fleece men of their children and financial assets because they wouldn’t be able to get married in the first place to have a divorce. Without the use of marriage and divorce, it becomes nearly impossible for feminism to steal the wealth of men. … Feminism is now completely dependent on marriage and family.
Huh, because most of the feminists I know, oh, never mind.
This is the reason why the marriage strike is such a large threat to feminism. Without men getting married, the engine of feminism doesn’t have the fuel it needs to keep going, and it stalls.
I’m pretty sure most feminist women will get along just fine even if they can’t marry you.
And to keep the kids from the evil bitch who carried and bore them, of course. Also to drag her through the system just to keep her busy busy busy, and make her good and sorry she didn’t just say “Yes, dear” and let him run the house (and the marriage,and her life) his way.
Fixed that for ya.
Whoops. Forgot to fix “
menMRA’s” above.Amphitrite, I have no clue how to any make sandwiches with my lady parts. You are clearly far more talented than I.
Crap. “Make ANY sandwiches with my lady parts”.
Setting that aside, how many men want to have full custody of their children after a divorce, in particular where they have a high paying full-time job. I would have used MRAs in that sentence instead of men, but I just can’t imagine a situation where an MRA has a high paying job.
I’ve been trying to figure that out myself, since most MRAs don’t exactly seem like nurturing types. As far as I can make out, it’s generally one of the following:
1. They plan to remarry or get a live-in girlfriend right away, and she’ll take care of the kids for them. (I’ve also seen MRAs say that they’d hire a maid/nanny who would do all the childcare and housekeeping and be cheaper than that BITCH WIFE WHO ATE BON-BONS ALL DAY.)
2. They think raising kids takes no work, or if it does take work, it’s because the caregiver is a dumb woman or sissy man who’s doing it wrong. The proper way to raise children is to give them a mattress to sleep on, feed them your table scraps, and ignore them except to play with them when it would be fun and hit them when they get out of line. Basically, kids are dogs that can use the toilet.
3. They don’t actually want custody. Dragging the ex through an endless custody battle is a legal way keep harassing her and forcing her to interact with them.
4. They honestly haven’t thought it out that far.
Outside of MRAland, however, I’ve known many men who had full or primary custody of their kids and were great dads.
That whole “guys like this don’t actually want custody” thing seems pretty accurate in my experience. Though honestly I think the guys I know who are kind of douchey baby-daddies still do love their kids. They just don’t really know how to raise them. I am very close to a family whose oldest daughter (now 13) has been changing diapers since she was 6 because her dad got partial custody of her and turned her into a built-in babysitter. (I’m not exaggerating. Age 6, she was babysitting.)
As for the bon-bons . . . who the hell is eating them? I don’t think I’ve ever even had a bon-bon. I’m a woman! Where are my bon-bons? I’d love to eat some and see if I can get one of these fat asses they’ve been talking about so I can sit on it all day and “make” a guy support me. (Interesting how these guys think women are inferior, yet also believe us capable of using our wily ways to entrap them this way. I have an extremely hard time envisioning these guys as meek victims who do what their abusive wives make them do. I guess I also have an extremely hard time envisioning these guys finding a woman to marry, since they’re probably still telling each other that negging is a great idea.)
Swankivy- About the six-year-old baby sitter, is that not illegal?
It’s illegal, sure. Thing is, most of the time an adult would technically be home (or gone for a very short time). The eldest daughter was still left alone with her two younger sisters who were infants, asked regularly to change them and feed them and “watch them” while someone took a nap. Her father was one of seven children himself; he was raised the same way and probably thinks it’s pretty reasonable to ask a very young child to watch over an even younger one with little to no supervision. The eldest daughter also was not given a room or her own bed for when she stayed there on weekends, holidays, and the summer. Now that she’s older, she’s found out some pretty sad things about how the family lied to her about family vacations that she was excluded from–like, she’d mysteriously be told she doesn’t have to come for winter break and gets to stay with her mom because of some supposed obligation, and then she’ll see the photos on Facebook of the cruise her father took with his two live-in daughters and his new wife. She’s basically treated like she’s not “really” his daughter, unless it’s convenient. I’m sure he loves her in some way, and I’m sure that she loves her other family. But she’s not treated equally and it’s thrown in her face all the time. (Her father also lied to her mother when they were still together pretending that he got a blood test that revealed the daughter couldn’t be his. It turned out to be bunk, of course, but he was trying to present fake proof that he wasn’t her father so that the mom would have to admit she cheated on him. She hadn’t, so her response was to cry and be confused for two and a half hours before he finally admitted he’d made up the story. I’d really like to know why he wants her now if he was trying to trick her mother into thinking she wasn’t his when she was a baby.)
That is very very sad. I cannot imagine how that would feel. Everyone dislikes being excluded, but that seems to be on a whole new level of awful.
She deserves all the hugs.
Thanks for your sympathies. She’s a really chill kid, really easy-going, super resilient, so I think she’ll be fine. I’m sure there are good things about her father’s house . . . I guess I just don’t get to hear about them. But her best friends are 3.5 hours away from where her father lives and she never gets to spend holidays or breaks with her school pals, so I do wonder if it’s really isolating for her. I know she gets plenty of love. I’ve been a sorta-kinda godmother/aunt person to her since she was born and she’s named after me (her middle name’s my first). Anyway, her dad is just kind of a butthole, and so’s his older brother.
@Lady Zombie
“And as many of the folks here have proven, men aren’t being tossed in jail right and left for non-child support payments. They have opportunity to advise the court of unemployment, etc., and it takes several months for the court to come after non-paying fathers.
So I don’t get it.”
If men got default custody and women had to fight for equal custody, only to go into massive debt while losing 84% of the time. And the federal guv gave millions of dollars to every state to collect, (the more women tossed in debtors prison the more money each state gets from big daddy). Would ya get it then? I’ll bet all you’d equality feminists would be screaming bloody murder.
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@Shaenon
“Outside of MRAland, however, I’ve known many men who had full or primary custody of their kids and were great dads.”
Outside of your internet lip service, I know only great dads who all lost in the women’s court of law. They’re great dads alright, and fantastic ATMs for their ex. You’d think with the abundance of empathy just dripping out of women’s pores, they’d empathize a bit with the father of their children. What the hell are you ladies saving all that empathy for? Stray cats and kitty litter?
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Speaking of empathy
“3. They don’t actually want custody. Dragging the ex through an endless custody battle is a legal way keep harassing her and forcing her to interact with them.”
Yeah, that’s it. Men normally go into 20 or 30K of debt trying to get equal custody, but in reality they’re hoping to lose. It’s all a revenge ploy. Or is the real vengence forcing men to fight for something which should be a gimmie. 84%, keep that number in mind. That’s the percentage of divorced women who fought to have the State use violence to kidnap a mans children.
Tell me, would women ever resort to violence if their children were kidnapped? Now ya know why men have to resort to violence. All because of women’s law.
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“2. They think raising kids takes no work, or if it does take work, it’s because the caregiver is a dumb woman or sissy man who’s doing it wrong. The proper way to raise children is to give them a mattress to sleep on, feed them your table scraps, and ignore them except to play with them when it would be fun and hit them when they get out of line. Basically, kids are dogs that can use the toilet.”
Yup, that’s exactly what men think. Why, we can’t even wipe our own asses with a woman’s guidance and instruction.
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“1. They plan to remarry or get a live-in girlfriend right away, and she’ll take care of the kids for them. (I’ve also seen MRAs say that they’d hire a maid/nanny who would do all the childcare and housekeeping and be cheaper than that BITCH WIFE WHO ATE BON-BONS ALL DAY.)”
Remarry? Apparently you seem to think men shit money every morning. After the ex get’s finished raking a man over the coals in womens court, turning him into an ATM and teaching the kiddies to hate daddy, any semblance of a normal life is over. This is the part of daddy’s life where he lives out of his car.
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Are you an example of the goodness that dwells within all women? Ya know, the one’s who don’t hate men?
How horrible, I hope she comes out of that all right.
But how, then, would we secure the right to eat bon-bons on our fat asses in peace?
That’s good. I really do hope everything turns out alright.
This may just be the alcohol talking, but how about a new L’Trimm album and a burrito for this feminist? Also, I’m feeling dizzy and slurring my words.
RE: swankivy
Poor kid. I can sympathize with being sorta the lesser child. In my case, feeling they love me is WORSE. *shudder* Hope she comes out all right.
an estimated 50 percent of fathers who seek [primary physical] custody in a disputed divorce are granted it
I know things work differently in your reality, milkslave, but come on now.
@swankivy: That story’s really very sad. I hope the young girl is as resilient as she appears to be.
I know of a divorced family in which the father buys the children flashy presents (PSP games, iPods, etc.) in an attempt to make them excited to see him. The fact that he isn’t actually all that kind or interesting slips past him. And then this son of his who’s older than the children of the marriage steals these flashy gewgaws. At one point, he even “gifted” a PSP game back to the child he’d stolen it from — and he hadn’t even touched it! All the save games were as the child had left them.
And the father tries to weasel out of child support despite the fact that he used to spend more on buying his wife tech toys before the divorce.
@Bee
Bees for burritos!
A wild NWOSlave appears!
Manboobz used Reason!
It’s not very effective …
NWOSlave used Arglebargle!
It missed!
Manboobz used Mockery!
It’s super effective!
NWOSlave
fainted!had somewhere else to be!Or is it Burritos for Bees?
“They want to be able to cash out and destroy THEIR marriages via divorce whenever they feel like it, but they still want to get married when they want ..”
Do any of you have the effrontery to say that this is not true?
RE: Zarat
Please tell me you’ve found a therapist.
Also, it’s not true. There, that was easy. I married my husband for his delicious delicious manass and stellar personality.