Paul Elam, head ranter at A Voice for Men, has a new video out called “You want privilege? You got it!” The thesis: if women really did have the so-called privileges that men have, they’d hate it and want men to take them all back. Because all of these so-called privileges are really giant burdens. Or, as Elam puts it, somewhat more melodramatically, these privileges have “begun to more resemble an anchor around your neck than the helm of a great ship that everyone tells you that you are captaining.”
Here’s the video.
Well, all right, that’s not really Paul Elam. But that little clip does capture pretty well the tone of his latest post, which is indeed about how male privilege is really a terrible burden.
I mean, this is his opener:
I swear by everything holy that the next time I hear some fembot caterwaul about “male privilege,” I am going to find something to break, turn it into shards, and drag the broken pieces across my chest just to distract me from the pain of their increasing stupidity. Just picture me like Martin Sheen, collapsed in a heap of bloody, tearful insanity on the floor of a cheap hotel in Saigon.
Heck, compared to that, Mr. McDuck’s reaction to the news about his “ice cream” was, if anything, rather restrained.
The rest of Elam’s post is, as is typical for him, a rather trite recitation of a number of standard Men’s Rights talking points about male “disposability” written in some of the most ridiculously overblown prose ever seen outside of an Ayn Rand novel.
Elam complains that he hasn’t seen much benefit from his privileges:
Mind you I still don’t know what that privilege is. One time when I was young and very poor I was late on my light bill. I showed the electric company my balls, but they cut my power off anyway. …
Yeah, as someone who’s also had his power cut off, I’m pretty sure they do that with everyone. I’m also pretty sure that no feminist has ever or will ever argue that male privilege means you won’t get your power cut off for nonpayment.
Here’s Elam addressing women as if they’ve traded place with men:
With your privilege comes the right to work on crab boats, drive trucks, work on electric lines, walk into burning buildings and sink into the bowels of the earth digging out coal and other things people find useful.
Apparently having greater occupational choices is scary and bad.
When a ship goes down, or any other life threatening disaster strikes, you have two choices. Be a real woman and die, or treat your life like it has value and have the world shit on you as a coward who refused to perish on cue. There is also the possibility of third option, either die from the disaster so that men can live, or have another woman blow a fucking hole in your face with a pistol because you tried to save yourself.
Yeah, I believe we may have addressed this earlier. Oh, but there’s more:
Like noticing the emperor has no clothes, it may hit you one day when you decide not to offer your seat to a man; when the stares at you from all around seem to come down people’s noses. …
You must learn not to say a word. Not to anyone else, not even to yourself. You must learn to see flames, coal dust, icy saltwater, death and sacrifice for the trappings of power that the world around you thinks them to be.
Says a dude typing out his manifestos on an expensive laptop he conned nagged his followers into buying for him.
And you must be willing to hang your head in shame over that power, even as the world chews you up, spits you out, and gets ready to take its turn with your daughter.
Elam’s rousing conclusion:
So, that is it, ladies. You want my privilege, it is yours. I will gladly hand it over to you this very minute. I am just waiting for you to meet the pre-requisites of disposibilty and an utter lack of self-value. I am waiting for you to woman up to the job, take off your fucking make up and be ready to bleed, blah blah blah look at me I’m mad!
I paraphrased a little at the end there. But, yes, the world champion at seeing male “disposability” everywhere did in fact misspell the word “disposability.” That was all him. And so, believe it or not, is the following:
I, like a Jew gone weary of being called a chosen one, am completely ready for anyone else, and in particular, you, to be chosen.
Personally, I have had about all the privilege I can stand.
Yep. He went there.
Also, I don’t know if you all knew this, but when women serve in the military these days it’s “like a day care camp for them.”
Also, not to pat myself on the back or anything, but my headline is much better than his. Maybe he should get me to write all the headlines on A Voice for Angry Duck Plutocrats Men.
Discuss.
“Most people I’ve ever met with social anxiety don’t tend to seek out situations where they’re guaranteed an unfriendly response.”
I was hoping for a friendly conversation with maybe some disagreement, didn’t end up like that. Also my anxiety goes away when i’m on the internet. I feel a lot more relaxed when i’m not face to face with people. There are probably people who went to high school with me who could probably tell you that i didn’t say two words to them in high school and i’ve had long conversations with them on facebook chat years later.
“You “joking” about how it must be the privilege that you very obviously think is no big deal as you’ve already demonstrated by minimizing your own male privilege = passive aggressive.”
Ok. I made an error. You could put away the nails and wood now, no need to crucify me over it.
Chris and Dave don’t have the same IP; Chris’ IP seems to point to a place in a desert not that close to any roads.
Hahaha call the whaaambulance we have a critical emergency
“You hit my anger button with the lbgt erasure joke because its something I am struggling with as a queer person but I guess your issues are the only ones that really matter right?”
I thought it would come off as funny, like I was lightheartedly joking about the fact that I have privilege liven up the tense situation a little. I really do apologize if you were offended. In all honesty that probably was the reason that I forgot it, I was just trying to express that in a humorous way but I came off as offensive and not funny.
Vindicare: What I don’t agree to are that I should follow long instructions how I am not allowed to argue about privilege – most without good justification.
Good thing no one said you couldn’t.
What has been said is one can’t claim that because one has an aspect of one’s life which isn’t all wine and roses, that one gets to whine that one doesn’t benefit from privilege.
Deny the legitimacy of your oppression? What if that’s not my intention? Can you read my mind?
Nope, only your words. If you don’t like the way your words read, learn to use them better.
“Chris’ IP seems to point to a place in a desert not that close to any roads”
Yup that sounds about right. I live in not very highly populated part of arizona.
Ip hiding is possible. I find it more likely that one person has a masked ip on in order to sockpuppet than “dave” staying here months after only to comment once again on something chris said. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
Chris, when I first started learning about feminism, I started on online forums. I’m broke, so books even second hand aren’t affordable for me. Online forums are a good way to pick up on the nuances of certain theories. Its better to find a feminism 101 site to get the critical background info and basic concepts.
Some of my first attempts got me mocked as a man or booted out for stupidity (failure to learn the core basics). Different sites have different standards as to how well read someone is in feminist theory. There are sites I still can’t post on without raising ire for interrupting or derailing the thread. So I don’t. Here, a basic concept of the core tenents of feminism will serve you well as long as you listen to what people are saying, your post is on topic and you refrain from making the conversation all about you if you’re male.
Todays thread is about male privilege. You asked a good question about social anxiety and that potential axis of oppression. You’re new here, and on any forum new people have a little bit of proving themselves to do. People get annoyed when the conversation constantly breaks to help the newbie grasp basic concepts when the entire universe of google is at your fingertips. Do a little research and then try joining in. Unless the topic totally derails and its open topic. Which happens here frequently.
Oh, golly, I really should just stay away from AVfM, but I just wanted to document this further evidence of Antz’s fundamental dishonesty:
Earlier in this thread, I posted response to Antz’ claim that men have basically no resources for their health needs.
Note it contains this sentence from Planned Parenthood:
Antz’ did some selective editing on that quote, and posted it over at AVfm as:
“.. Instead, the HPV vaccine protects men and women against deadly diseases such as cervical cancer ..” — cloudiah
Making it look as though I was the source of the quote, and more importantly leaving off the part about the HPV vaccine preventing genital warts., and in the process making it look like I think a man has a cervix.
Sure enough, much cackling ensued among Antz’ little friends, which I’ve screen capped here: http://i.imgur.com/LBJRC.png
(Much “heh, heh, wimmenz are so stupid, they think men have cervixes and women have prostates.”)
But a little tiny ray of truth can sometimes, almost accidentally, find its way to AVfM. Some guy with the screen name logical_man points out the important fact that the HPV vaccine does in fact protect men from genital warts. Another screen cap: http://i.imgur.com/BeE0l.png
(There is some evidence that having women get the vaccine may protect straight men from contracting certain oral cancers (because oral sex!), but that is less well established.)
TL;DR: Antz was willing to miseducate men about the FACT that boys should get the HPV vaccination to try to score a cheap shot against feminists! Antz is truly the James O’Keefe of the MRM.
Those mras are always the peak of honesty amiright?
Yeah, AntZ is always so truthful.
Apparently BR Merrick thinks tampon marketing is totes misandry.
@hellkell Merrick quote? That sounds fun.
Tampon advertising is misandry? Gee I wonder what they would call my menstruating on their couch? Besides a bloody mess, that is…
It was in your screen shot, Cloudiah, he was bitching about how there was a whole aisle in the grocery store for “what they’ve got.”
MRAs have so much more fun attacking their enemies for things they didn’t say than for things they did. It’s an entire movement based on strawmanning feminists and feminism.
If men got periods, tampons would show up free in the mail.
So . . . exactly how many products does he want there to be for his penis? And will he design condom packaging to be grossly wasteful so they can take up as much room as diapers and therefore have the appearance of equality?
Oh that precious grocery store shelf space, I’m telling you. . . .
Also, diapers, baby wipes etc are not “women’s stuff”, they’re intended for the baby.
Personally I was referring to pads as “taking up as much room as diapers,” but was HE saying the diapers are part of “women’s stuff”? That’s even more absurd!
Oh, oops. I blame the cheap red wine I am drinking for that reading comprehension FAIL. 🙂
Yes, but a lot of MRAs like to erase the fact that men are ever babies. Especially when it comes to single mothers and any financial benefits the woman might receive from the government.
Wait, MRAs aren’t STILL babies?
I should be honored that I’ve now been strawmanned. Was it earlier this week that I was the source of a whole post over at the University of Man?
I feel like I am now an influential feminist, and the MRAs are finally taking notice! Maybe I’ll start my own blog — cervicalmisandry.com is still available. Ha.